Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)

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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)

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ORIGINAL: juret

axis minors are perfect for digging. waste of him sacrifise them. A small win for terje and might make it little easier to press on. Axis minors units dont respawn.

Ah, but that is the thing.
1. They do not respawn
2. I doubt he is thinking about digging in again
3. If Rumania flips, #1 means fewer units flip as well
4. Those units must be delt with, and since MP is my main problem now, I am not sure this is a bad idea for him really.
5. The further west he gets, the shorter the front gets = fewer units needed to hold a line.

But, we will see how it turns out in the end.

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Turn 166

Overall
The Axis keep falling back, and the ammount of attacks we are capable of making suffer as a result. This turn we only manage 17 attacks, scoring 3 held, 12 retreat and 2 surrender. Losses are given as;
Axis : 54.000 troops and 134 AFVs
USSR : 69.000 troops and 470 AFVs.
This turn 160.000 workers report to the manpower pool, ending it at 2.415. The ammount of workers seem to drop those turns I liberate cities...weird...

Units
3 TAC and 1 LB are sent to the reserves.
This turn Stalin agreed that the Czech are allowed to fight as well, and we recieve 1 Czech tank brigade, and 1 Czech Rifle Corps this turn. With low morale I doubt they are very useful, but I'll take it.
We form 1 rifle corps this turn, and then order the creation of 3 breakthrough artillery divisions and 6 mechanized brigades.
Our forces record a net growth of 115.000 troops this turn.

Liberation
Tula is liberated this turn.

Units destroyed
The 35th Reserve Rumanian Infantry Division and the 8th Rumanian Infantry Division both surrender this turn.

Partisans
We are up to 29 active units after the Axis chase away 5 this turn. These guys then manage 9 sabotage missions, and are rewarded by 6 supply drops.

Thoughts
Lack of MP is my main problem now, and a count of artiller pieces shows that I have 27 breakthrough artillery divisions on the board now, and 3 more just ordered. I think I now need to switch back to mechanized/tank corps production to increase the mobility of mu army.



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be careful not to get overextended, his panzers can sweep back and take some chunks out of you still if you get too spread out 8)
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be careful not to get overextended, his panzers can sweep back and take some chunks out of you still if you get too spread out 8)

True. but the area north of Moscow only have low CV panzer divisions (5-8), those I do not fear that much, and IF he choses to try to encircle some of my units I will be really happy, as that forces his panzers into hexes I can attack with deliberate attacks.
No, the biggest fear is an attack in the south, but the German:Rumanian ratio down there seems to drop, so I think he is shipping out some of his German units there, and probably send them west to allow them to recover.

I do TRY to avoid having units too far ahead of the rest, but since I have guards and non-guards mixed in several fronts, there is always a chance that my guards will end up a little ahead of the rest.

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ye time for mech corps now. watch so u dont get to bade command value on stavka.
also time to pimp all your front units with 3 su per corps to maximize firepower per hex now when u start to get arty behind.
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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)

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ORIGINAL: terje439
This turn Stalin agreed that the Czech are allowed to fight as well, and we recieve 1 Czech tank brigade, and 1 Czech Rifle Corps this turn. With low morale I doubt they are very useful, but I'll take it.

I'd take the Axis player point of view in asking why the Soviet player should get Czech or Polish units when they haven't taken one step into those countries.

Anyways, keep plugging away, Terje. You at least seem to have the initiative now.
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ORIGINAL: juret

1. ye time for mech corps now.
2. watch so u dont get to bade command value on stavka.
3. also time to pimp all your front units with 3 su per corps to maximize firepower per hex now when u start to get arty behind.
1. Indeed
2. WAY too late [:D]
3. Alot of them allready have 3 SUs each, but I have to stop givving them tank regiments, I am losing too many AFVs atm

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ORIGINAL: terje439
This turn Stalin agreed that the Czech are allowed to fight as well, and we recieve 1 Czech tank brigade, and 1 Czech Rifle Corps this turn. With low morale I doubt they are very useful, but I'll take it.

I'd take the Axis player point of view in asking why the Soviet player should get Czech or Polish units when they haven't taken one step into those countries.

Anyways, keep plugging away, Terje. You at least seem to have the initiative now.

Ah, but all they want to do is fight the guys that invaded their country. By that chain of thoughts, there should be no Polish, Czech, French, Norwegian etc pilots in the RAF in -40 and -41 either [;)]

Yes, the initiative is mine, and I will keep pushing as hard as I can, but I still doubt it will be hard enough.

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That's because they were already there when the Battle of Britain started. I don't think you can say the same for these in-game units. I am supposing that historically they were raised as the territories were occupied by the Red army.
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Turn 167

Overall
This turn the Axis do not pull back, so the number of attacks grows again. We manage a total of 27 attacks, 9 held and 18 retreats. The Axis make no attacks. The losses are given at;
Axis : 65.000 troops and 213 AFVs
USSR : 106.000 troops and 542 AFVs.
A total of 169.000 workers aarrive at the manpower pool this turn, so it ends at 8.668.

Units
6 TACs and 1 LB are sent to the reserves this turn.
We form one cavalry corps, and order the construction of 3 motorized brigades and 3 cavalry divisions.
We record a net growth of 68.000 soldiers in our forces this turn.

Partisans
An increase in anti-partisan actions by the Axis, as they force 12 units to retreat this turn. We are still left with 27 on the map, and these guys make 7 sabotague actions this turn. Our pilots make 6 drops.



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Turn 168

Overall
The Axis stands still, unfortunately their digging ability is scary, and alot of our attacks are failures this turn. We score 10 held and 14 retreats for a total of 24 attacks. We make no progress, nor do we knock down any forts around Moscow, I guess we need to flank it. Losses are claimed to be;
Axis : 59.000 troops and 126 AFVs
USSR : 112.000 troops and 614 AFVs

Units
2 LBs and 10 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn.
We form 2 mechanized corps, and order the construction of 2 tank brigades (to join up with the Czech one). We then remove 9 separate tank regiments from our units, as we are losing too many tanks at the moment. We also sped 30 points on varius SUs.
Our forces claim a growth of 65.000 troops this turn.

Pools
With 167.000 workers reporting this turn, the manpower pool ends at 10.206.
The vehicle pool is at 273.000, while the armaments pool is at 974.000 (I never managed to get above 1.000.000).

Partisans
The Axis chase 11 units away, leaving us with 27 at the end of the turn. Our guys perform 14 sabotague actions this turn, and are rewarded by 10 supply drops.



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Can you give a breakdown of how many field units you have now? ( Rifle corps/div, tank corps/brigades, mech corps/brigades, etc ).  There comes a point when the Soviet player may have too many units, and production/manpower can't keep them all at full strength; replacements may end up at lower quality units, being a waste.
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whut u gonna replace tank regs with ?

mortar su? hows your tank/spguns pools like now?
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1. Can you give a breakdown of how many field units you have now? ( Rifle corps/div, tank corps/brigades, mech corps/brigades, etc ). 
2. There comes a point when the Soviet player may have too many units, and production/manpower can't keep them all at full strength; replacements may end up at lower quality units, being a waste.

1. Will do
2. I haven't been at full strength since mid -42

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ORIGINAL: juret

1. whut u gonna replace tank regs with ? mortar su?
2. hows your tank/spguns pools like now?

1. Sapper, TD, AT mostly.
2. Will take a screenie


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Turn 169

Overall
The Axis fall back a few hexes north of Moscow this turn, so we are unable to make any attacks in that sector. All in all we manage a mere 19 attacks this turn, for a result of 6 held and 13 retreats. My guys are running out of steam and the Axis defensive CV is hiiiigh.
Losses are reported as;
Axis : 57.000 troops and 171 AFVs
USSR : 100.000 troops and 333 AFVs
The manpower pool ends at 6.979 after recieving 169.000 workers this turn.

Units
2 RCs, 3 LBs, 10 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn as their morale drops below 35.
We form one cavalry corps and 1 mechanized corps this turn before spending most of the remaining points on assigning SUs to various corps.
Our forces clai ma net growth of 66.000 soldiers this turn.

Unit count
Tanks : 22 corps, 4 brigades
Mechanized : 27 corps
Infantry : 172 corps, 21 divisions, 2 brigades, 4 naval brigades
Airborne : 3 divisions, 1 brigade
Cavalry : 13 corps, 3 divisions
Artillery : 30 breakthrough artillery divisions, 3 heavy gun artiller divisions
AT : 2 AT brigades
AA : 2 AA Brigades
Mountain : 10 divisions
Engineers : 1 assault engineer
Construction : 4 NKPS
Mortar : 23 mortar brigades
Rocket : 10 rocket launcher divisions
Also add a myriad of various SUs

Partisans
The Axis chase 13 units away this turn, leaving us with 21 active. They make 6 sabotague missions, and they recieve 7 supply drops.



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Stop building units. You've got way too many for your replacement capacity and I especially doubt you've got the trucks to support that many mobile corps. 27 mech corps alone is way overkill, those things are serious truck hogs. That's more than double the amount of mech corps the Sovs ever fielded.

You should be using APs now for command and control and possibly even HQ buildups, although the latter may exacerbate your truck shortage.
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Stop building units. You've got way too many for your replacement capacity and I especially doubt you've got the trucks to support that many mobile corps. 27 mech corps alone is way overkill, those things are serious truck hogs. That's more than double the amount of mech corps the Sovs ever fielded.

You should be using APs now for command and control and possibly even HQ buildups, although the latter may exacerbate your truck shortage.

My vehicle pool is actually growing steadily, but I guess that might have to do with the fact that I am way to static.
Hmm guess I'll have to rely on SUs now then to increase my CV :(

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Once your forward progression speeds up you will be amazed at the number of vehicle breakdowns, both truck and afvs. It's very easy to lose 1k+ AFVs/turn with a historical Red Army. I think yours could lose even more per turn.

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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Once your forward progression speeds up you will be amazed at the number of vehicle breakdowns, both truck and afvs. It's very easy to lose 1k+ AFVs/turn with a historical Red Army. I think yours could lose even more per turn.


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