Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Moderators: Joel Billings, Sabre21
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
I would shoot for just west of Stalino, and then adjust that further west if he starts pulling back.
But I also think you'll need more troops that you have indicated to do any real damage. I haven't gone back through the whole thread to review your deployments, but maybe breakdown more corps into divisions to cover more ground on defensive sectors of the front, and send freed up corps down to the attack sector?
But I also think you'll need more troops that you have indicated to do any real damage. I haven't gone back through the whole thread to review your deployments, but maybe breakdown more corps into divisions to cover more ground on defensive sectors of the front, and send freed up corps down to the attack sector?
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
ORIGINAL: 76mm
I would shoot for just west of Stalino, and then adjust that further west if he starts pulling back.
But I also think you'll need more troops that you have indicated to do any real damage. I haven't gone back through the whole thread to review your deployments, but maybe breakdown more corps into divisions to cover more ground on defensive sectors of the front, and send freed up corps down to the attack sector?
I will see how many units I can free up and send to aid the attack.
I estimate a total of some 30 corps all in all might be used in the attack, but we will see
Terje
"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Turn 174
Overall
Mud appears all along the front, meaning neither side is able to launch any attacks this turn. Our only offensive act is carried out by our airforce. All along the front I "de-stack", holding the front with only one unit while allowing the others to step back to rest.
In the end, losses are given at;
Axis : 21.000 troops and 28 AFVs
USSr : 63.000 troops and 88 AFVs.
A lowly 158.000 workers arriving at the manpower pool, means it ends at 178 this turn.
Units
1 LB and 7 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn.
We spend aproxomately 50 points on SUs, and we move alot of units to the rear so they can be rested for the winter.
Partisans
Although the Axis chase away 10 units, we are still left with 31 on the map. Our guys perform 15 acts of sabotague, and our pilots manage 20 supply drops this turn.

Overall
Mud appears all along the front, meaning neither side is able to launch any attacks this turn. Our only offensive act is carried out by our airforce. All along the front I "de-stack", holding the front with only one unit while allowing the others to step back to rest.
In the end, losses are given at;
Axis : 21.000 troops and 28 AFVs
USSr : 63.000 troops and 88 AFVs.
A lowly 158.000 workers arriving at the manpower pool, means it ends at 178 this turn.
Units
1 LB and 7 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn.
We spend aproxomately 50 points on SUs, and we move alot of units to the rear so they can be rested for the winter.
Partisans
Although the Axis chase away 10 units, we are still left with 31 on the map. Our guys perform 15 acts of sabotague, and our pilots manage 20 supply drops this turn.

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"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
You can still hit those low cv stacks ( like the 8 defense one ) if you can get two sides, 3 corps each backed up by every gun that can reach and bombing the piss out of them with the Red air force.
Score extra casualties and disrupt what little fort building is going on. Plus it forces german to deal with reestablishing the line or at least reoccupying the hex. As an added bonus, it is good for personal morale to send the fascist flying even if you dont follow up into the hex 8)
Score extra casualties and disrupt what little fort building is going on. Plus it forces german to deal with reestablishing the line or at least reoccupying the hex. As an added bonus, it is good for personal morale to send the fascist flying even if you dont follow up into the hex 8)
"We are going to attack all night, and attack tomorrow morning..... If we are not victorious, let no one come back alive!" -- Patton
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RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
ORIGINAL: Baelfiin
You can still hit those low cv stacks ( like the 8 defense one ) if you can get two sides, 3 corps each backed up by every gun that can reach and bombing the piss out of them with the Red air force.
Score extra casualties and disrupt what little fort building is going on. Plus it forces german to deal with reestablishing the line or at least reoccupying the hex. As an added bonus, it is good for personal morale to send the fascist flying even if you dont follow up into the hex 8)
True, however, the area round HQ Zhukov is the only place with low defensive CV stacks, so that means I will have to keep HQ Zhukov in place to launch that attack. The rest of the line is held by 15+ CV stacks [:(]
Terje
"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Turn 175
Overall
The mud is still here (no surprise there), and we keep on doing our best to relocate HQ Zhukov (will be completed next turn). Once more our airforce is the only way to hurt the Axis, so any plane able to fly does so. Losses are still low;
Axis : 22.000 troops and 30 AFVs
USSR : 45.000 troops and 50 AFVs.
The ammount of workers reporting to the manpower pool continues to drop. This turn no more than 144.000 report in, so the pool ends at 1.295.
Units
1 TAC is sent to the reserves this turn. About 50 points spent on assigning SUs, and another 30 on reassigning units in the front taking over for HQ Zhukov.
Our forces claim a net growth of 104.000 troops.
Operation ARGH I am stuck
Next turn will see all units alloctaed to this offensive in place. All in all it will be about 50 corps attacking through that narrow sector.
Partisans
29 units are left after the Axis chase 10 away. Those 29 units perform 10 acts of sabotague and are rewarded with 15 supply drops.

Overall
The mud is still here (no surprise there), and we keep on doing our best to relocate HQ Zhukov (will be completed next turn). Once more our airforce is the only way to hurt the Axis, so any plane able to fly does so. Losses are still low;
Axis : 22.000 troops and 30 AFVs
USSR : 45.000 troops and 50 AFVs.
The ammount of workers reporting to the manpower pool continues to drop. This turn no more than 144.000 report in, so the pool ends at 1.295.
Units
1 TAC is sent to the reserves this turn. About 50 points spent on assigning SUs, and another 30 on reassigning units in the front taking over for HQ Zhukov.
Our forces claim a net growth of 104.000 troops.
Operation ARGH I am stuck
Next turn will see all units alloctaed to this offensive in place. All in all it will be about 50 corps attacking through that narrow sector.
Partisans
29 units are left after the Axis chase 10 away. Those 29 units perform 10 acts of sabotague and are rewarded with 15 supply drops.

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"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Then I must be doing something wrong, because this would not work for me, as a mere red hex, not "guarded" by a unit in any way, will use 50% of the units MP if I enter it.
Don't overlook the importance of morale in driving through enemy territory.
Stack your units appropriately in your Shock/Guards armies, and allow their morale to maximize.
Motorized
Enter enemy hex +((115-unit morale)/15)) (round down)
Non-Motorized
Enter enemy hex +((115-unit morale)/15)) (round down, subtract one from cost for cavalry units)
Morale
30-40 pays 5 MP
41-55 pays 4 MP
56-70 pays 3 MP
71-85 pays 2 MP
86+ pays 1 MP
Consider including your cavalry corp in 'sure thing' attacks to build their morale so they can play their role as exploitation troops later.
"War is never a technical problem only, and if in pursuing technical solutions you neglect the psychological and the political, then the best technical solutions will be worthless." - Hermann Balck
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
I take it this is in addition to "normal" MP cost?
Thank you for the information!
Terje
Thank you for the information!
Terje
"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Turn 176
Overall
More mud, so again no attacks from either side. Losses are light;
Axis : 21.000 troops and 38 AFVs
USSR : 26.000 troops and 44 AFVs
Even the ammount of workers reporting to the manpower pool is awfully low this time. 125.000 report to the pool, ending it at 802.
Units
No aerial units demand a vacation this turn [X(]
Our forces claim a net growth of 107.000 troops this turn.
Operation ARGH I am stuck
All but one mechanized corps is in place awaiting better weather.
Partisans
29 units remain after the Axis chase 7 units away. We manage 9 sabotague missions this turn, and 15 supply drops.

Overall
More mud, so again no attacks from either side. Losses are light;
Axis : 21.000 troops and 38 AFVs
USSR : 26.000 troops and 44 AFVs
Even the ammount of workers reporting to the manpower pool is awfully low this time. 125.000 report to the pool, ending it at 802.
Units
No aerial units demand a vacation this turn [X(]
Our forces claim a net growth of 107.000 troops this turn.
Operation ARGH I am stuck
All but one mechanized corps is in place awaiting better weather.
Partisans
29 units remain after the Axis chase 7 units away. We manage 9 sabotague missions this turn, and 15 supply drops.

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"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
9500 OOB tanks sounds very low for late 44.
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Wow, Pavlov is still alive! [:D]
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
ORIGINAL: juret
9500 OOB tanks sounds very low for late 44.
Not sure what the "target" figure should be...
Terje
"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
ORIGINAL: randallw
Wow, Pavlov is still alive! [:D]
Indeed [:D]
Terje
"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Turn 177
Overall
Still mud, so nothing happens. Losses are given as;
Axis : 23.000 troops and 28 AFVs
USSR : 34.000 troops and 21 AFVs
The ammount of workers arriving at the manpower pool takes another drop, this turn down to 105.000, ending the pool at 699.
Units
5 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn, apart from that we shuffle some forces around, relocating them from one HQ to another.
Our forces claim a net growth of 110.000 troops this turn.
Partisans
We are left with 28 active unit after 9 are forces to retreat. Our guys manage 15 sabotague actions, and are rewarded with 20 supply drops.
Screenie
Nothing to show really, so none made.
Overall
Still mud, so nothing happens. Losses are given as;
Axis : 23.000 troops and 28 AFVs
USSR : 34.000 troops and 21 AFVs
The ammount of workers arriving at the manpower pool takes another drop, this turn down to 105.000, ending the pool at 699.
Units
5 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn, apart from that we shuffle some forces around, relocating them from one HQ to another.
Our forces claim a net growth of 110.000 troops this turn.
Partisans
We are left with 28 active unit after 9 are forces to retreat. Our guys manage 15 sabotague actions, and are rewarded with 20 supply drops.
Screenie
Nothing to show really, so none made.
"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Turn 178
Overall
The mud is gone, and we immediately start attacking. We manage 25 attacks this turn, scoring 4 held and 21 retreats. This time around losses are definitively in our favour, as we score 1:1. Losses are given at;
Axis : 59.000 troops and 158 AFVs
USSR : 59.000 troops and 161 AFVs.
A total of 110.000 workers report to the manpower pool this turn, ending it at 3.645.
Units
We spend some points on rearranging some units from HQ to HQ.
Our forces claim a net growth of 75.000 troops this turn.
Operation ARGH I am stuck
Go go go!!
Partisans
The Axis chase away 10 units this turn, but we still have 30 active units left. Our guys manage 25 sabotague missions, and our pilots fly 10 supply drops in return.

Overall
The mud is gone, and we immediately start attacking. We manage 25 attacks this turn, scoring 4 held and 21 retreats. This time around losses are definitively in our favour, as we score 1:1. Losses are given at;
Axis : 59.000 troops and 158 AFVs
USSR : 59.000 troops and 161 AFVs.
A total of 110.000 workers report to the manpower pool this turn, ending it at 3.645.
Units
We spend some points on rearranging some units from HQ to HQ.
Our forces claim a net growth of 75.000 troops this turn.
Operation ARGH I am stuck
Go go go!!
Partisans
The Axis chase away 10 units this turn, but we still have 30 active units left. Our guys manage 25 sabotague missions, and our pilots fly 10 supply drops in return.

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"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Nice attack. If I may make a suggestion: forget the north and the forests there.
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
ORIGINAL: sveint
Nice attack. If I may make a suggestion: forget the north and the forests there.
Yes, I will deal with the Fins in -46 [:D]
I will keep attacking the line around Moscow to try to dislodge the Germans there as well, but I think I will need to focus in the south.
Terje
"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Turn 179
Overall
We keep pushing wherever possible, what I am wondering now is wether the Axis will sacrifice the German infantry in Moscow or not. We manage 33 attacks for 11 held and 22 retreat this turn. The increased ammount of helds means higher losses for us this turn;
Axis : 63.000 troops and 250 AFVs
USSR : 104.000 troops and 449 AFVs.
Pools
Manpower ends at 8.121 after reciving 129.000 workers this turn.
Our vehicle pool is now at 294.787, and our armaments pool is at 981.765.
We recieve 134.000 reinforcements for our troops this turn, giving a net troop increase of 30.000 this turn.
Units
6 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn.
Proverb
A German SS Panzer Division in Siberia is better than 2 almost encircled.
Liberation
Rostov is liberated this turn.
Operation ARGH I am stuck
The Axis fall back, and our mechanized corps are rebuffed in the "wrong" locations, still the operation has forced the Axis to abandon Rostov. We will keep on attacking in this sector. The SS Panzer division manage to withdraw to safety for now.
Partisans
The Axis manage to chase away no less than 15 units this turn, leaving us with 27 units on the map. Our guys perform 9 acts of sabotague, and our pilots make 10 supply drops.

Overall
We keep pushing wherever possible, what I am wondering now is wether the Axis will sacrifice the German infantry in Moscow or not. We manage 33 attacks for 11 held and 22 retreat this turn. The increased ammount of helds means higher losses for us this turn;
Axis : 63.000 troops and 250 AFVs
USSR : 104.000 troops and 449 AFVs.
Pools
Manpower ends at 8.121 after reciving 129.000 workers this turn.
Our vehicle pool is now at 294.787, and our armaments pool is at 981.765.
We recieve 134.000 reinforcements for our troops this turn, giving a net troop increase of 30.000 this turn.
Units
6 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn.
Proverb
A German SS Panzer Division in Siberia is better than 2 almost encircled.
Liberation
Rostov is liberated this turn.
Operation ARGH I am stuck
The Axis fall back, and our mechanized corps are rebuffed in the "wrong" locations, still the operation has forced the Axis to abandon Rostov. We will keep on attacking in this sector. The SS Panzer division manage to withdraw to safety for now.
Partisans
The Axis manage to chase away no less than 15 units this turn, leaving us with 27 units on the map. Our guys perform 9 acts of sabotague, and our pilots make 10 supply drops.

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"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
Turn 180
Overall
We keep on attacking, and the Axis line is in worse condition for every attack we make. A total of 32 attacks are made for the result of 5 held, 25 retreat, 1 rout and 1 surrender. With so few held results, loss ratio is good;
Axis : 77.000 troops and 220 AFVs
USSR : 98.000 troops and 288 AFVs
Units
4 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn.
Our ground forces claim a net growth of 41.000 troops this turn.
Pools
155.000 workers arrive in the manpower pool this turn, ending it at 3.978.
Vehicle pool : 298.003
Armaments pool : 981.633
Units destroyed
The 5th Rumanian Cavalry Division is destroyed this turn.
Partisans
We are left with 28 units after the Axis chase 7 away this turn. Our guys perform 12 sabotague missions, and are rewarded with 10 supply drops (or the same ammount as the entire frontline...).

Overall
We keep on attacking, and the Axis line is in worse condition for every attack we make. A total of 32 attacks are made for the result of 5 held, 25 retreat, 1 rout and 1 surrender. With so few held results, loss ratio is good;
Axis : 77.000 troops and 220 AFVs
USSR : 98.000 troops and 288 AFVs
Units
4 TACs are sent to the reserves this turn.
Our ground forces claim a net growth of 41.000 troops this turn.
Pools
155.000 workers arrive in the manpower pool this turn, ending it at 3.978.
Vehicle pool : 298.003
Armaments pool : 981.633
Units destroyed
The 5th Rumanian Cavalry Division is destroyed this turn.
Partisans
We are left with 28 units after the Axis chase 7 away this turn. Our guys perform 12 sabotague missions, and are rewarded with 10 supply drops (or the same ammount as the entire frontline...).

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"Hun skal torpederes!" - Birger Eriksen
("She is to be torpedoed!")
("She is to be torpedoed!")
RE: Disaster in the making. Oloren (axis) vs Terje (USSR)
I just love attacks [:D] dos'nt matter if its German or Russian. If succesful you could bust open the South......NO mercy for the dreaded SS!