Fear, hypocracy, and wargames.

[wodin]

I also envy the Americans and Canadians (who have more guns per population than the States yet have a minimal gun crime problem, so the adage of more guns more gun crime is turned on it's head totally)...here in the UK any criminal can get a gun no problem (though apparently bullets are hard tog et) yet us non criminals can't get one..so our gangs are armed and we aren't...great ain't it.

I hate this country..I hate the government thats in charge..I hate the way our culture has gone... and all in all for probably the first time in my life I wish I never lived here and lived abroad..

[ckammp]

ORIGINAL: wodin

I also envy the Americans and Canadians (who have more guns per population than the States yet have a minimal gun crime problem, so the adage of more guns more gun crime is turned on it's head totally)...here in the UK any criminal can get a gun no problem (though apparently bullets are hard tog et) yet us non criminals can't get one..so our gangs are armed and we aren't...great ain't it.

I hate this country..I hate the government thats in charge..I hate the way our culture has gone... and all in all for probably the first time in my life I wish I never lived here and lived abroad..

The United States has 89 guns per every 100 persons, Canada has 31 guns per every 100 persons.

And while the United States' rate of guns per population is the highest in the world, the rate of gun-related death is not the highest, nor in the top three.

Maybe having a gun does prevent crime.

[SLAAKMAN]

I recommend a shotgun with the first two rounds packed with rock-salt. Semi-lethal in case of a mishap.

The more guns in our society the greater the risk the wrong person gets shot.

The fewer guns in our society, the more that government gets uppity. [:'(]

[wodin]

ORIGINAL: ckammp

ORIGINAL: wodin

I also envy the Americans and Canadians (who have more guns per population than the States yet have a minimal gun crime problem, so the adage of more guns more gun crime is turned on it's head totally)...here in the UK any criminal can get a gun no problem (though apparently bullets are hard tog et) yet us non criminals can't get one..so our gangs are armed and we aren't...great ain't it.

I hate this country..I hate the government thats in charge..I hate the way our culture has gone... and all in all for probably the first time in my life I wish I never lived here and lived abroad..

The United States has 89 guns per every 100 persons, Canada has 31 guns per every 100 persons.

And while the United States' rate of guns per population is the highest in the world, the rate of gun-related death is not the highest, nor in the top three.

Maybe having a gun does prevent crime.

Well I got the info from a Micheal Moore docu...though my comment still stands the more guns in a society doesn't mean more gun crime....usually it's how much Fear is fed into society..which these days the way the News is broadcast and the tone they use even the music to the news is dramatic and fear inducing..I've yet to work out the benefit of keeping a population scared and whether it's either some government thing or just the way our culture\TV has gone...I do believe though it causes more aggression (aggression is a great asset in a Capitalist society...dog eat dog and all that) and twitchy trigger fingers...

Anyway Criminals can get them easy...while innocent civilians can't...stupid.

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

I recommend a shotgun with the first two rounds packed with rock-salt. Semi-lethal in case of a mishap.

The more guns in our society the greater the risk the wrong person gets shot.

The fewer guns in our society, the more that government gets uppity. [:'(]

Best point made so far.

Just look at those friendly faces, they mean us no harm, therefore we need no guns.[:-]

[2ndACR]

If you want non lethal, then buy you an airsoft rifle that spits out plastic BB's at 450-500 FPS. At close range, it hurts like a son of a gun on full auto. If you buy a full replica, no bad guy can tell the difference until you light him up. And you don't risk killing the wrong person with a miss if he retreats out of the house. Those can be found for 200 bucks and up for a good one.

Want to scare them off without hurting them, buy a Thunder B stun grenade to make them flee the scene. These can be had for about 30 bucks.

I have confronted 3 punks trying to break into my work van at 2am with my REAL M4. It was cold and raining, I made them lay in the driveway in all that cold water till the cops got there. Cops asked me if I would have shot, my answer, if they are willing to get shot trying to steal a screwdriver, I am willing to shoot them over that screwdriver.

[wodin]

2ndACR..thats the sort of thing I love about the States...

When you've been on the wrong end of gangs for 8 or 9 years like I was (went to court once but it was pointless really) you realise that the States has the right idea.

[2ndACR]

Yep, I really love Texas, and the US. Just Texas more than others for gun issues and right to defend. I have both real guns and airsoft guns. But, I don't know what state the OP lives in so I have to be careful with recommendations due to his particular state laws.

If you have a real gun for home defense, you have to be ready and willing to use it. Otherwise it is a threat to your family also. Pray you never have to fire for real, but you have to be willing to do so. If he gets the 12 gauge, use +7 bird shot for home defense to lessen hitting innocents with over penetration. For an apartment, I would look for non lethal rounds to really protect myself. Think about your neighbors also.

[Toby42]

For me the shotgun would be my last line of defence. Locked in my safe room with the only door covered by the shotgun. The handgun would be easier to handle in clearing the house!

[2ndACR]

Pistol you have to aim to shoot. The risk of a miss and over shoot are much higher. The shotgun is a point and shoot weapon that has a much much lower penetration danger. Unless using slugs or heavy buckshot. Just get close with a shotgun and chances are much higher you are going to score some hits. My wife and kids know to go for the shotgun in a worst case scenario. Even though my daughter would go for my M4 in a heartbeat. My son can out shoot me with his 9mm. But for home defense etc, the shotgun is where it all is.

I need to move to the country so I can let the grass grow high, hang a engine block in the front yard from a chain and put a car up on blocks. Then every criminal will know a gun lives in that house. Called the redneck security system, more effective than a Brinks sign.

A bunch of guns in my case.

[Halsey]

My first line of defense is a mean protective dog (Belgian Malinois).

While I stand at the door with my Walther in my hand, I open the door and say "get em girl"!
My dog has flushed a few trespassers out of my yard without firing a shot.
They don't come back.[;)][:D]

[bradfordkay]

I llike to keep a wakizashi by my bed. I figure that the sight of it alone might scare off an intruder...

[sabre1]

I fenced in college, and along with my weapon I keep a 1917 US Patton sabre.

There is something frightening to most people of bare steel being inserted into strange places.

[wodin]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I llike to keep a wakizashi by my bed. I figure that the sight of it alone might scare off an intruder...

wakizashi

Thats something we can get here...though I'd prefer a gun rather than close combat stabbing...Most gangs here carry knives and are not afraid to use them. In the area I used to live there have been 5 fatal stabbings since November all around the street I lived...same gang as the one I was getting grief from for 8 years..

They last attack they machettied a lad in the face and head in broad daylight, on a a road full of shops in Anfield. A fire engine was going by and two firemen got out, to help the lad. The gang faced off the firemen with the machette so the firemen got off...thats what inner city Britain is like these days.

[2ndACR]

You guys need to really allow the people to arm themselves with guns and clean the streets up. Or at least let all the cops pack guns. That is just plain crazy. I could not live there. Of course, there are A LOT of places in the US that I would refuse to live in. Both cities and states. I just cannot fathom living someplace where my life is in peril and I have no means to defend myself. Legally that is.

Break out that broadsword I know all you Brits have and start lopping off some heads.

P.S. Those firefighters should have broke out the fire hose and let the thugs have it.

[Anguille]

What about a taser?

[wodin]

Tazers are illegal to own in the UK.

I've often contemplated getting in touch with some friendly American to somehow send me a Tazer at least!! Gun would be lovely but I'm sure will be nabbed by customs and a whole world of sh1t.

[2ndACR]

Dude, air soft is legal in the UK I think. Buy one of those. Light up the thugs with it.

Okay, it is legal but very restrictive in nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issu ... ed_Kingdom

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: Halsey

My first line of defense is a mean protective dog (Belgian Malinois).

While I stand at the door with my Walther in my hand, I open the door and say "get em girl"!
My dog has flushed a few trespassers out of my yard without firing a shot.
They don't come back.[;)][:D]

My first line of defense is Cato Fong-hiding in various closets and armoirs.

[JudgeDredd]

The last thing we need in the UK is relaxed gun laws. They're fine as they are. Gun crime (whilst perhaps has climbed over the years in the UK) is very low...bring a gun to a fight, someone brings a bigger gun. It solves bugger all.

Besides - I wouldn't trust half the plebbs in this country with a cap gun, nevermind letting them loose with real guns.

And I love the UK. There's alot to be proud of. [&o]