Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Go to the intel screen and click on air unit losses. At the bottom of the screen is a button for destroyed air units. Click on it. That will show you the units and PP cost to replace them. Right click on the unit you want to return. You'll get it 30-180 days later.
This may only be available in the beta.
This may only be available in the beta.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
I like 75pp. I would rather use the Lillie and get more bang for the buck and pull out Air Support, Arty, Construction, Troops. Lillie is fine for what's it worth, which is a LOT better than Crap 1Es.
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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
I use the 1E bombers, but cautiously. I try not to put them in harms way. The really rotten ones are just used for training. Some of the others I'll use in China initially as well as ASW. Depends on the bomb load for ASW. I try to find a use for everything. It's difficult at times. [:D]

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
I use the 1Es that I haven't upgrade almost exclusively for ASW. The Ann, I'll throw into an attack. I don't know why, but I like the Ann better than the Sonia. Sonia is awful. For most, I put them on 60% ASW and 40% training, or 100% ASW training if no threat. Manchuko 1Es are my ground strike trainers. They may not be affective in nailing subs (initially), but they are good at spotting them. But I have around 4-5 Lillie squadrons after upgrades and I'm happy with them in China.
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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Airframe production - I think it might be a good idea to plot out your airframe factories for the whole game. In my next game as Japan (which is years away), I will list all the factories and plot on what I am going to do with each. I'm playing Scenario 2 now, so I have more options.
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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Michael, I have a pretty good idea what I want to do with most of my air units. What to do with the Lily is still not clear to me. I may just wait for the Helen and convert it to that airframe. I'm still debating whether or not to turn it back on. I could use them as training aircraft in Manchuoko once my Sally Ic run out. I've had more op losses with them than I thought would happen. I've already used 7 or 8 of the 46 in the pool.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
11 Jan 42
Sub War
The I-26 caught an unescorted xAK off Los Angeles and put a torpedo into her. She was either empty or hauling supply. She was reported as sunk.
5 Fleet
Adak's airfield refused to reach level 1. It's stuck at 0.98. Sheesh.
4 Fleet
Wake achieved level 3 forts. Two engineer battalions do the trick.
SE Fleet
The Wakaba finally was able to leave Rabaul today after having spent 3 days coming to readiness from pierside. Her top speed is only 8 kts. It's going to take a while for her to get to Truk, let alone the Home Islands. I wonder if the ARD at Truk can do anything for her....
KB successfully snuck away and is 1 hex out of Truk. I'll rethink the Pt. Moresby invasion. I hate leaving it in Ted's hands. Eventually, he'll overwhelm me with air power from there. Right now he has recon and A-24s there. No fighters. I'm bombing the airfield with little effect other than to prevent him from building forts.
SRA
I successfully took Makassar in a DA with the 21 Division and an independent engineer regiment. Losses were 44(0) for me and 1362(95) Dutch. Ted was up to his normal tricks again. He sent the CL Danae to ambush the invasion fleet but ran into my escort TF of 4 BB and 1 DD. She got away pretty quickly but caught 2x 14" and 1x 5" rounds. Only one 14" shell penetrated and it destroyed one of Danae's 6" turrets. I assume she'll survive but she ain't happy. By the way, the Danae was and still is showing up as sunk.
The infrastructure was intact at Manpower 2(0) and Resources 20(0). These resources (and all of the other islands in the area) will ship their dirt to Java for conversion to HI.
There are a couple of TFs hanging out in Soerabaja harbor (which is mined). I have a couple of subs sitting offshore in case they decide to do something funny. The Zuiho and Hosho are just off Balikpapan out of range and waiting for Ryujo. When she teams up with them, they'll move to 7 hexes away and attempt to launch an air strike. One of the TFs is a single ship. I hope it's Repulse. By the way, PoW and 4 US BBs are still showing up as sunk. I doubt the PoW is sunk because she only took 2 torpedo hits early in the war.
I'm still waiting for Tobali to reach a level 1 airfield so I can put Yamada Det there and start the War of Dutch Attrition. I landed a construction battalion. That should speed things up. I discovered that Zeros can reach Kalidjati from Singkawang within normal drop tank range. I sent a sweep mission tomorrow. Hopefully, it'll draw some Dutch fighters and I can begin getting my TRACOM pilots. [:D]
Philippines
I track the Allied unit strength each day. They're slowly getting weaker overall. It'll be awhile though.
China
I had something really strange and absolutely amazing happen. The AVG showed up over Wuchang today. 9x H81-A3s showed up and 7 Oscars and 3 Nates rose to greet them. The amazing thing was that my Oscars shot two of them down for the loss of one Oscar and no lost pilots. Banzai! What was really amazing and really strange was that they were bomber pilots! Their average air stat was ~30-35. Somehow I converted an Ann chutai to Oscars. I moved them to Shanghai, pulled out the bomber pilots and replaced them with a fighter pilot and rookies. They're now a training chutai. The two pilots that shot down the AVG planes had Air stats of 30 and 34! [X(] [:D] Go figure.
Burma
The Rangoon rail line is severed. Rangoon and it's 4 units is cut off.
Malaya
I just realized that I sent only 3 of the 4 divisions to Singapore. The 3 divisions arrive tomorrow. I switched them to combat mode so they aren't too trashed. We'll see what happens tomorrow.
Sub War
The I-26 caught an unescorted xAK off Los Angeles and put a torpedo into her. She was either empty or hauling supply. She was reported as sunk.
5 Fleet
Adak's airfield refused to reach level 1. It's stuck at 0.98. Sheesh.
4 Fleet
Wake achieved level 3 forts. Two engineer battalions do the trick.
SE Fleet
The Wakaba finally was able to leave Rabaul today after having spent 3 days coming to readiness from pierside. Her top speed is only 8 kts. It's going to take a while for her to get to Truk, let alone the Home Islands. I wonder if the ARD at Truk can do anything for her....
KB successfully snuck away and is 1 hex out of Truk. I'll rethink the Pt. Moresby invasion. I hate leaving it in Ted's hands. Eventually, he'll overwhelm me with air power from there. Right now he has recon and A-24s there. No fighters. I'm bombing the airfield with little effect other than to prevent him from building forts.
SRA
I successfully took Makassar in a DA with the 21 Division and an independent engineer regiment. Losses were 44(0) for me and 1362(95) Dutch. Ted was up to his normal tricks again. He sent the CL Danae to ambush the invasion fleet but ran into my escort TF of 4 BB and 1 DD. She got away pretty quickly but caught 2x 14" and 1x 5" rounds. Only one 14" shell penetrated and it destroyed one of Danae's 6" turrets. I assume she'll survive but she ain't happy. By the way, the Danae was and still is showing up as sunk.

There are a couple of TFs hanging out in Soerabaja harbor (which is mined). I have a couple of subs sitting offshore in case they decide to do something funny. The Zuiho and Hosho are just off Balikpapan out of range and waiting for Ryujo. When she teams up with them, they'll move to 7 hexes away and attempt to launch an air strike. One of the TFs is a single ship. I hope it's Repulse. By the way, PoW and 4 US BBs are still showing up as sunk. I doubt the PoW is sunk because she only took 2 torpedo hits early in the war.
I'm still waiting for Tobali to reach a level 1 airfield so I can put Yamada Det there and start the War of Dutch Attrition. I landed a construction battalion. That should speed things up. I discovered that Zeros can reach Kalidjati from Singkawang within normal drop tank range. I sent a sweep mission tomorrow. Hopefully, it'll draw some Dutch fighters and I can begin getting my TRACOM pilots. [:D]
Philippines
I track the Allied unit strength each day. They're slowly getting weaker overall. It'll be awhile though.
China
I had something really strange and absolutely amazing happen. The AVG showed up over Wuchang today. 9x H81-A3s showed up and 7 Oscars and 3 Nates rose to greet them. The amazing thing was that my Oscars shot two of them down for the loss of one Oscar and no lost pilots. Banzai! What was really amazing and really strange was that they were bomber pilots! Their average air stat was ~30-35. Somehow I converted an Ann chutai to Oscars. I moved them to Shanghai, pulled out the bomber pilots and replaced them with a fighter pilot and rookies. They're now a training chutai. The two pilots that shot down the AVG planes had Air stats of 30 and 34! [X(] [:D] Go figure.
Burma
The Rangoon rail line is severed. Rangoon and it's 4 units is cut off.
Malaya
I just realized that I sent only 3 of the 4 divisions to Singapore. The 3 divisions arrive tomorrow. I switched them to combat mode so they aren't too trashed. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Here's China. The encirclement is coming along nicely.


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Watch your Sally Ic pool. You need them to convert several of the 1E bomber groups to 2E without PP penalty.ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
...once my Sally Ic run out. I've had more op losses with them than I thought would happen. I've already used 7 or 8 of the 46 in the pool.
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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
They use the Sally Ic? You can't use anything else?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Afaik you can use all Sally types to avoid paying the PP if the unit upgrade to any Sally variant. Same goes with other Planes.ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
They use the Sally Ic? You can't use anything else?
About the Anne. Its the only useful 1E bomber in my book. It sucks if used in a 2E role but its realy good in ASW and low naval/ground attack.

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Yeah, I like the Ann as well. I also have this strange affinity for the Mary. They're not nearly as good, but I still like them. The rest are fit only for rookies to wreck.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Yeah, I like the Ann as well. I also have this strange affinity for the Mary. They're not nearly as good, but I still like them. The rest are fit only for rookies to wreck.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Its her fancy camo outlock. *nods* she looks like a GI Jane.
Little less range and a service rating of 2 if I remember right but yes, compared to Sonia/Ida she is golden.
Little less range and a service rating of 2 if I remember right but yes, compared to Sonia/Ida she is golden.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
[:D] Must be the soldier in me. By the way, I had the opportunity to spend a month at Hohenfels, near the Czech border training for a mob a few years back. I only had the opportunity to visit the German countryside a couple of times but it was beautiful and the people were wonderful. I'd love to go back on my own dime. [:)]
I'm looking at R&D right now. My A6M3s are coming along nicely at 15(45). The Helen is at 14(0) so I'm bumping her up to 30 for now. I'll increase her more later depending on what I decide to do with the Lily factory.
I'm going to go through the 1E bomber units to see which can upgrade to 2E free. That'll help decide what I do with the Lily.
The Ki-44-IIa is at 1(29) so I have time before I need to increase it to 60.
What am I missing?
I'll probably bump the Tony to 30 eventually. It's at 2(20) right now.
I'm looking at R&D right now. My A6M3s are coming along nicely at 15(45). The Helen is at 14(0) so I'm bumping her up to 30 for now. I'll increase her more later depending on what I decide to do with the Lily factory.
I'm going to go through the 1E bomber units to see which can upgrade to 2E free. That'll help decide what I do with the Lily.
The Ki-44-IIa is at 1(29) so I have time before I need to increase it to 60.
What am I missing?
I'll probably bump the Tony to 30 eventually. It's at 2(20) right now.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
I only found 4 units:
5 Air Division
16 Sentai - 31 aircraft
China
45 Sentai - 27 aircraft
2 Air Division
6 Sentai - 27 aircraft
1 Air Division
3 Sentai Det A - 9 aircraft
Only the first two are useable without having to buy them out. Oh well, it's more info to make an informed decision later.
I can convert the 6 Sentai and then use them for bombing Chinese troops. That'll increase the bomber pilot reserve a bit faster.
5 Air Division
16 Sentai - 31 aircraft
China
45 Sentai - 27 aircraft
2 Air Division
6 Sentai - 27 aircraft
1 Air Division
3 Sentai Det A - 9 aircraft
Only the first two are useable without having to buy them out. Oh well, it's more info to make an informed decision later.
I can convert the 6 Sentai and then use them for bombing Chinese troops. That'll increase the bomber pilot reserve a bit faster.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Trying to figure out R&D. Is it better to have 1x 60 factory or 2x 30 factories? I'm not talking about repairing, just what is better once they are repaired.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
How many ar you planning on building per month?ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
The Helen is at 14(0) so I'm bumping her up to 30 for now.
ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
Trying to figure out R&D. Is it better to have 1x 60 factory or 2x 30 factories? I'm not talking about repairing, just what is better once they are repaired.
2x30 I've read numerous people state 30 is the sweetspot, atleast one [Damian] via testing it
Suggestion turn that 55 Ki-84 factory at Maebashi into Ki-44a. Depending on how much research is going into the Ki-44a roll it into production as time dictates , IIRC changing it will take it down to 34.
Depending on your building and R&D plans you'll need another Ki-84 plant.[:D][;)]
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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
Anything more than 30 is a waste as the research gain is capped at 3 points per factory. So 2x30 is twice as good as 1x60.
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In simple terms
(a) A factory will produce a random R&D between 0 and the number of devices in the factory ie 1 device = 0, 2 devices = 0,1, 3 devices =0,1,2, 4 devices = 0,1,2,3, 10 devices = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc.
(b) The random R&D is then divided by 10. Any random R&D of less than 10 will be '0', otherwise it will be the ten's component of the random R&D.
(c) If there are no damaged devices in factory (this is a given as there must be NO damaged ones present), add '1' to the number from (b).
(d) If the number from (c) exceeds 3, it is capped at '3'.
The number from (d) is added to the a/c development counter - this will be a number from 1 to 3 inclusive.
Once the counter exceeds 100, it moves the available date sooner by a month and resets the development counter.
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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)
My mathemathics are very bad actualy but why is 2 x 30 better than 1x 60 if every factory gives 1-3 research points *ponders*
