The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[paullus99]

Actually, maybe just additional motivation to get revenge after seeing their flat-tops hit.....too bad electrons don't have feelings....

[GreyJoy]

oh com'on guys! Have some faith!!!!
 
Do you remember what happened to my CVEs in port at Uruppu Jiima?...well, i hope in something like that! Could it be that only my CAP is always out of position and ineffective?!?!!?

[Panther Bait]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Panther Bait

Are you using Torpedo squadrons from your destroyed carriers?  Or were these shore-based/existing carrier squadrons?

Mike

A mix of them

Why? Does it change something?

No, I don't think so, although in WitP, fragments would sometimes act strangely. Sounds like you were planning to recombine those were possible though.

I was more curious what the consequences would be to the existing CV fleet would be if the torpedo squadrons took terrible losses.

Good luck with the attack. Hopefully, I'll be spending my afternoon at work reading about a stunning victory.

Mike

P.S. I'm about 2/3 of the way through A Dance with Dragons, and Theon is starting to actually becoming somewhat likable again, even missing a few parts. I'd still go with Victarion, though, if I had to be one of the Greyjoys. Waiting for him to show up at Meereen like everyone else seems to be doing.

[GreyJoy]

Well, we have to wait few hours i guess...
 
Keeping the faith.......

[Mistmatz]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Well, we have to wait few hours i guess...

Keeping the faith.......

I wouldn't be surprised if this would be another stunning success. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns into utter debacle either. Either way, it's going to be interesting. [:)]

[Canoerebel]

In the game thus far rader has lost 2x aircraft - something like 38,000 for rader and 19,000 for GJ.  Question:  What if those numbers were flipped?  Second question:  Do the Allies even have that many aircraft?

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In the game thus far rader has lost 2x aircraft - something like 38,000 for rader and 19,000 for GJ.  Question:  What if those numbers were flipped?  Second question:  Do the Allies even have that many aircraft?

mmmm....Rader has lost so far 42,000 aircrafts, while we have 19,600...
Don't know, but i tell you that my pools are always empty and if i lose more than 200 fighters in one day i have to wait 20 days to replace those losses...

So i would never be able to sustain Rader's losses

[cwDeici]

Yeah, I was almost certain GJ would go ahead and do it anyway, he's consistently gone for the biggest dice around the block. Here's to luck!

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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I have had this problem .. but moving one/two hex(es) at a time when it is important helps give the program some direction. So when specific waypoints are required I move to the waypoint .. WitPTracker tells me destination is reached .. then I set the next waypoint ... just a thought ..

There were no waypoints...just moving from the northern Hex to one hex south east...instead they moved east...[&:]

Hi GJ - after CanoeRebel mentioned your AAR many times in his I started reading it from the beginning - great stuff and good work! I love how you have put your own stamp on what you have learned and what you are comfortable doing while taking setbacks in stride. Your confidence is sometimes shaken but never broken! Also love the secrecy in which you prepare your next moves so no one will 'let the cat out of the bag' accidentally or otherwise.

Anyway, I have not seen anyone answer your puzzle about the tank unit going off on a tangent. I have had this happen many times with all types of marching units. If you set them to march to a point several hexes away the AI seems to try to calculate what will get them there fastest taking into account terrain, roads and hex-side control. For your tanks, using the first class roads across the river would have been irresistable and likely faster than the overland route. On the other hand while marching land units from Chittagong to Prome, I have had some leave the road system early and slog through the jungle to march down the clear hexes north of Prome. The roads would have been faster!

In my view this is a weak point of the game - we should be able to set waypoints to specify the route we want the unit to march on. As it is, I often have to march them one hex at a time to avoid misadventures.

Edit: PS - Railroad lines are not "roads" for marching land units, although they do seem to be able to use RR bridges to cross rivers more quickly.

[JohnDillworth]

so tomorrow, if everything goes well and Murphy doesn't come in, 350 Torpedo Bombers, escorted by 200 fighters will attack the Kido Butai while at anchor at Kobe.
The CAP is supposed to be at 20k in order to defend against our strategic bombing (that's why i started them back again), while our bombers will approach at 1000 feet.
I'm not looking to sink all his CVs, obviously, but to damage a lot of them, forcing them in port for some months.
Sadogashima is the starting base. 7 hexes of distance.
at least 600 enemy fighters are expected to be on CAP.
We are VERY overstacked there so it is very possible that we will suffer some penalty in coordination.
It's a risky mission...but the prize is so important and the value of the assets invested so low that we can efford a fiasco.

Finger crossed.

Are the TB's on port attack? would the attack with torpedoes if they are in port? What time does Rader get home from work?

[GreyJoy]

Sorry guys. Rader is working late tonight[:(].... We will have to wait till tomorrow...

John...they are docked...not disbanded.... Torpedo attack ordered....the same that happened to me at Uruppu Jiima....

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Crackaces




I have had this problem .. but moving one/two hex(es) at a time when it is important helps give the program some direction. So when specific waypoints are required I move to the waypoint .. WitPTracker tells me destination is reached .. then I set the next waypoint ... just a thought ..

There were no waypoints...just moving from the northern Hex to one hex south east...instead they moved east...[&:]

Hi GJ - after CanoeRebel mentioned your AAR many times in his I started reading it from the beginning - great stuff and good work! I love how you have put your own stamp on what you have learned and what you are comfortable doing while taking setbacks in stride. Your confidence is sometimes shaken but never broken! Also love the secrecy in which you prepare your next moves so no one will 'let the cat out of the bag' accidentally or otherwise.

Anyway, I have not seen anyone answer your puzzle about the tank unit going off on a tangent. I have had this happen many times with all types of marching units. If you set them to march to a point several hexes away the AI seems to try to calculate what will get them there fastest taking into account terrain, roads and hex-side control. For your tanks, using the first class roads across the river would have been irresistable and likely faster than the overland route. On the other hand while marching land units from Chittagong to Prome, I have had some leave the road system early and slog through the jungle to march down the clear hexes north of Prome. The roads would have been faster!

In my view this is a weak point of the game - we should be able to set waypoints to specify the route we want the unit to march on. As it is, I often have to march them one hex at a time to avoid misadventures.

Edit: PS - Railroad lines are not "roads" for marching land units, although they do seem to be able to use RR bridges to cross rivers more quickly.

Thx mate! Love to have you aboard!

We're gonna see a lot more fireworks...so stay connected:-)

And thx to CR for advertising

[JohnDillworth]

John...they are docked...not disbanded.... Torpedo attack ordered....the same that happened to me at Uruppu Jiima....

No DB becuase you want to go in low?

[Grfin Zeppelin]

Hoepefully Rader didnt disband them then at that port. "Sorry sir, couldnt do nothing the ships where at anchor".

[Chickenboy]

Wait a minute...You've got Allied dogs landing all over Honshu, captured Hokkaido in its entirety and are threatening to break out of the bridgeheads on the main island. And he's still got massive troop garrisons in India? I don't understand what he's thinking...[&:]

[Panther Bait]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Sorry guys. Rader is working late tonight[:(].... We will have to wait till tomorrow...

John...they are docked...not disbanded.... Torpedo attack ordered....the same that happened to me at Uruppu Jiima....

Then you have plenty of time to catch us up on everything that's been happening! [;)]

Mike

[DTurtle]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Wait a minute...You've got Allied dogs landing all over Honshu, captured Hokkaido in its entirety and are threatening to break out of the bridgeheads on the main island. And he's still got massive troop garrisons in India? I don't understand what he's thinking...[&:]

That screenshot is from a year ago. He abandoned India and retreated back to Burma shortly before the Hokkaido landing.

[GreyJoy]

Rader once again read my mind before i even started to think.
After having left his CVs there for 6 turns he decided to move them away right today...well...probably having seen Sadogashima reaching level 3 AF he decided Kobe was not anymore a safe place where to anchor...
Anyway the result was that i lost 200 planes attacking useless shippings near Tokyo...(We sunk an AMC, an AV and a "E" class...)
Well...was worth the risk imho...and fiascos happen in war all the time.
 
The good news was that our DBs at Hakkodate didn't eat Rader's poisoned bait... he sent 3 ASW TFs near Hachinoe...with a HUGE LRCAP over them...i lost some 5 Helldivers that were on naval search but nothing else....
 
the other good strategic news is that Sadogashima reached another AF level (now 4). the 550 Engineers are doing wonders there...
Now at Sadogashima i have 1200 AVs, CD guns, 500 mines, 4 AA units (each with 16 90mm guns and 32 40mm Bofors guns), an air HQ and 85,000 supplies.
I say that in few more turns we'll be able to max it out, reaching AF lvl 7...allowing me to base 350 single engine fighters...
 
Now i have to decide what to do. I have a reserve of 3500 AVs plus 700 more to reinforce Hachinoe...
 
At the same time i need to keep on strat bombing...i need to destroy the KI.-201 factories before 1.01.1945....damned R&D![:@]
 
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 01, 44
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Izu Oshima at 113,62
 
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
 
Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      J7W1 Shinden x 3
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      F6F-5 Hellcat x 15
      TBM-1C Avenger x 11
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      J7W1 Shinden: 1 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
      TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged
 
Japanese Ships
      AMC Aikoku Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
 
 
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Yokohama/Yokosuka at 113,61
 
Weather in hex: Light cloud
 
Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M5c Zero x 20
      A7M2 Sam x 12
      J7W1 Shinden x 48
      N1K1-J George x 36
      Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 27
      Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
      Ki-83 x 9
      Ki-84a Frank x 41
      Ki-84r Frank x 19
      Ki-100-I Tony x 27
      Ki-102b Randy x 17
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Hellcat I x 23
      F4U-1D Corsair x 2
      F6F-5 Hellcat x 85
      TBM-1C Avenger x 11
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
      Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
      Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
      Hellcat I: 10 destroyed
      F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
      F6F-5 Hellcat: 20 destroyed
      TBM-1C Avenger: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
 
Japanese Ships
      E Tobui, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk[:@]
      DD Benigumo
      DD Tenshin
 
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Hachinohe  at 119,57
 
Japanese Ships
      E No.24, Torpedo hits 1,  heavy damage
      E Hoko
 
Allied Ships
      SS Piranha
 
 
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 02, 44
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Maizuru at 110,58
 
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
 
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      J2M3 Jack x 15
      N1K1-J George x 3
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      F6F-5 Hellcat x 10
      TBM-1C Avenger x 5
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
      F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
      TBM-1C Avenger: 3 destroyed
 
  
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Izu Oshima at 113,62
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      J7W1 Shinden x 18
      N1K1-J George x 11
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Hellcat I x 3
      F6F-5 Hellcat x 19
      TBM-1C Avenger x 11
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
      Hellcat I: 2 destroyed
      F6F-5 Hellcat: 7 destroyed
      TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed
 
Japanese Ships
      AV Hakkai Maru, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
  
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Yokohama/Yokosuka at 113,61
 
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
 
Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M5c Zero x 15
      A7M2 Sam x 15
      J7W1 Shinden x 36
      N1K1-J George x 31
      Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 20
      Ki-84a Frank x 43
      Ki-100-I Tony x 28
      Ki-102b Randy x 12
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Hellcat I x 7
      F6F-5 Hellcat x 2
      TBM-1C Avenger x 11
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
      Hellcat I: 4 destroyed
      F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
      TBM-1C Avenger: 6 destroyed
 
 
  
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Yokohama/Yokosuka at 113,61
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A7M2 Sam x 11
      J7W1 Shinden x 29
      N1K1-J George x 38
      Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 20
      Ki-84a Frank x 43
      Ki-100-I Tony x 28
      Ki-102b Randy x 12
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Hellcat I x 2
      F6F-5 Hellcat x 11
      TBM-1C Avenger x 3
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
      F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed
      TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed
 
 
 
 
 
 
As you can see rader stopped his attacks against Sadogashima...eventually the losses were becoming too high even for Rader's muscled economy[:D]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

John...they are docked...not disbanded.... Torpedo attack ordered....the same that happened to me at Uruppu Jiima....

No DB becuase you want to go in low?

yup, that was the idea...and i think was a good one [:)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: DTurtle

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Wait a minute...You've got Allied dogs landing all over Honshu, captured Hokkaido in its entirety and are threatening to break out of the bridgeheads on the main island. And he's still got massive troop garrisons in India? I don't understand what he's thinking...[&:]

That screenshot is from a year ago. He abandoned India and retreated back to Burma shortly before the Hokkaido landing.

Yes, exactly. BB was so kind to answer to the question i posed long time ago[:)]