OT - WWII quiz

[Centuur]

New battle field:

1. Last battle field of WW II in Europe
2. 822. "Georgian" Battaljon.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Kursk had no clear winner? Mmmm, not sure about that.....

then who was the clear winner

Warspite1

Well I would say it was the Soviets - after Citadel, the Germans never regained the initiative.

[michaelbaldur]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Kursk had no clear winner? Mmmm, not sure about that.....

then who was the clear winner

Warspite1

Well I would say it was the Soviets - after Citadel, the Germans never regained the initiative.

you can still loss the battle and take initiative..

if you look at ground gained and casualties. it looks more like a tie

[british exil]

The Soviets won with the reason that the Germans were never in the position to launch any serious attacks anymore, for the Wehrmacht the campaign was from that point a matter of a controled retreat.

The Germans did not lose, due to the fact that the losses inflicted on the Soviet war machine were tremendous. The amount of tanks lost were huge, but the Soviets were able to replace their losses, whereas the Germans would never be able to.


So from the perspective of both sides: both won. It just depends on what angle you look at the battle.

Mat

[michaelbaldur]

we are talking about the battle of Kursk.

not who won the campaign.

the reason Germany could not make more offensives was not because of the battle. but more because of the second front in Italy.

which sucked up most of the elite units. (most SS panzer was transferred to other fronts)

and Russia was not ready to attack anywhere before winter (because of its tanks casualties)

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur



then who was the clear winner

Warspite1

Well I would say it was the Soviets - after Citadel, the Germans never regained the initiative.

you can still loss the battle and take initiative..

if you look at ground gained and casualties. it looks more like a tie

Warspite1

you can still loss the battle and take initiative..

So you are saying the Soviets lost [;)]

if you look at ground gained and casualties. it looks more like a tie

But the Soviets could take those casualties and material losses - the Germans couldn't. The Germans did not achieve the objectives of Zitadelle and forever lost the initiative.

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

New battle field:

1. Last battle field of WW II in Europe
2. 822. "Georgian" Battaljon.

3. The arrival of allied troops ended the fighting on the 20th. may 1945
4. Russianwar

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: Centuur

New battle field:

1. Last battle field of WW II in Europe
2. 822. "Georgian" Battaljon.

3. The arrival of allied troops ended the fighting on the 20th. may 1945
4. Russianwar

Your dates are wrong on clue 3.

The "Allied" tanks arrived on May 15, 1945.

But the fighting did continue until May 20, 1945.

[JeffroK]

Hexel?

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: Centuur

New battle field:

1. Last battle field of WW II in Europe
2. 822. "Georgian" Battaljon.

3. The arrival of allied troops ended the fighting on the 20th. may 1945
4. Russianwar

Your dates are wrong on clue 3.

The "Allied" tanks arrived on May 15, 1945.

But the fighting did continue until May 20, 1945.

According to my sources, the first Canadian soldiers arrived in force in the early morning of the 20th. of may (and not before). I've looked further, and it seems that only a couple of Allied negotiators arrived on the Island earlier and found that both the Georgians and the Germans weren't prepared to lay down their weapons.

It was Texel, where the Georgians of the Ostlegion rioted against the Germans. Of the 1.200 men from this battallion, there were 800 Georgians and 400 Germans stationed on the Island. Apart from this, there was also a substantial German navy presence on the island, since there were some heavy bunkers with gun emplacements build on the Island as part of the Atlantic Wall.
On the 6th. of april 1945, the Georgian soldiers killed 450 Germans during the night, without fighting one shot. Only knifes and bajonets were used...
The Germans reacted almost immediately and did put 600 Germans on the ferry the next day, equipped with heavy MG's, mortars and even some tanks. The fighting did continue until the 20th. of may 1945.

Of the 800 Georgian soldiers, about 500 were killed. The German losses are estimated at about 600. Those losses are very, very high, if you take into account that only about 3.000 soldiers in total took part in the actual fighting on the Island...

The fighting didn't end on the 5th. of may, because of the fact that the Germans and Georgians kept killing each other, even after the official capitulation of the German forces was signed...

[Extraneous]

The Georgian Uprising on Texel April 5,1945 - May 20, 1945 <== The event has been described as Europe's last battlefield.


The Battle of Poljana, Yugoslavia May 14th-15th 1945 <== British tanks arrive.

Which caused…

The last battle of WW2 The Battle for Odzak (today in Bosnia&Herzegovina), between Ustashe of Independent State of Croatia and Yugoslav partizans April 19 to May 25, 1945.


A battle without a battlefield?

[Extraneous]

Operation Quicksilver
FUSAG was activated in London in 1943 and was comprised of the 14th Army and II Corps (1x Armored Division, 5x Airborne Divisions, and 14x Infantry Divisions).
Added to this force were 1x Airborne and 9x Infantry Divisions that had been activated but not actually raised bringing total force to 30 divisions.


(1) What did FUSAG stand for?
(2) Who was the commanding general?
(3) What was its mission?



One of the Airborne Divisions was the 9th Airborne Division here is it's patch.

[brian brian]

Fake US Army Group

commanded by Patton around the straits of Dover to confuse the Germans about true target of D-Day?

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

Fake US Army Group

commanded by Patton around the straits of Dover to confuse the Germans about true target of D-Day?

[:D] Correct [:D]

(1) What did FUSAG stand for? First US Army Group
(2) Who was the commanding general? George Smith Patton Jr.
(3) What was its mission? To mislead the Germans about the size and objectives of the Allied invasion of France


Oh by the way, that is an official 9th Airborne Division patch. It was just never issued since the 9th Infantry Division was never an Airborne Division.

[ezzler]

True or false

1} More Frenchmen fought for the axis than the allies in WW2?
2} Montgomery wrote of Patton. "I can't stand him. I would rather be commanded by an Arab. And I think nothing of the Arab."
3} The Axis lost more troops in Africa after Alamein than before
4} The most senior US officer to die in WW2 was killed by friendly fire.
5} 150 Allied ships were sunk during the Dunkirk evacuation.

[brian brian]

3) true if you count POW

5) some people argue over what is a 'ship' and what is a 'boat' (no idea personally about that or Dunkirk)




tell us the story of the airman and St. Nazaire, France...

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: ezz

True or false

1} More Frenchmen fought for the axis than the allies in WW2?
Given the size of the French Army in 1940 that cannot be true - unless you count those fighting for Vichy - Madagascar, Lebanon, North Africa etc. However I don't think Vichy was a member of the Axis and so that would be a bit tenuous.

4} The most senior US officer to die in WW2 was killed by friendly fire.

Bucknar was a Lt-Gen killed by the enemy in the Pacific. McNair iirc was of the same rank and was killed in France by FF.

5} 150 Allied ships were sunk during the Dunkirk evacuation.

If you count all types of ship, boat etc it would be much more than that.

[Extraneous]

Since a question was asked about the " Ladies from Hell" on another thread...

Since 1937, who has been the Colonel-in-Chief of the 42d Royal Highland Regiment?

Just a FYI

A Black Watch Quote about the "American Revolution"

"We can boast no Battle Honours for our part in the American War of Independance, because it was rightly decreed that Battle Honours should not be granted for a war with our kith and kin".

[ItBurns]

ORIGINAL: ezz

True or false

1} More Frenchmen fought for the axis than the allies in WW2?
2} Montgomery wrote of Patton. "I can't stand him. I would rather be commanded by an Arab. And I think nothing of the Arab."
3} The Axis lost more troops in Africa after Alamein than before
4} The most senior US officer to die in WW2 was killed by friendly fire.
5} 150 Allied ships were sunk during the Dunkirk evacuation.

I gotta think 1 is false but have no proof.
2 sounds true - Monty and George had little use for each other.
I'm going to call false on 3 as large Italian armies were smashed by the Brits early on.
4 I believe is true as bombs falling in preparation for the US breakout of Normandy fell short and killed an American General
5 I'm going to say false but again this is a guess.

[micheljq]

ORIGINAL: ezz

True or false

1} More Frenchmen fought for the axis than the allies in WW2?
2} Montgomery wrote of Patton. "I can't stand him. I would rather be commanded by an Arab. And I think nothing of the Arab."
3} The Axis lost more troops in Africa after Alamein than before
4} The most senior US officer to die in WW2 was killed by friendly fire.
5} 150 Allied ships were sunk during the Dunkirk evacuation.

2) I would rather think that Montgomery wrote that of Eisenhower. I try - False, and believe Monty was never commanded by Patton.