unlucky navy

[michaelbaldur]

it have really been a unlucky couple of impulses for the CW navy.

all of its big ships sunk. it have 1 carrier and 1 CA left.

and som CL and cvl .. but all battleships sunk

[warspite1]

Wow...I thought I was rubbish at the game, but you really suck! [;)]

[bo]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Wow...I thought I was rubbish at the game, but you really suck! [;)]

Suck, baloney, this would be a good day for me [:D] thank you for that pic Michael.

Bo

[michaelbaldur]

to be fair I cheated a little ..

but Italian navs are really

[trooper76]

"You sunk my battleship(s)!"

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur


to be fair I cheated a little ..

but Italian navs are really

Warspite1

The Regia Marina did that?? THE GAME IS BORKED!! [:D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Wow...I thought I was rubbish at the game, but you really suck! [;)]

.......this would be a good day for me.....

Bo

Warspite1

Bo - are you looking for an opponent when the game comes out [;)]

[bo]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Wow...I thought I was rubbish at the game, but you really suck! [;)]

.......this would be a good day for me.....

Bo

Warspite1

Bo - are you looking for an opponent when the game comes out [;)]

Why yes I am Warspite, hopefully a dumb AI [:D] If I did not know Hoorn could not be invaded from the sea how the heck am I going to play you. [:-] Is there any kind of the fairness act here when playing PBEM against you Wif pros [&:] like hmmm let me think, I know I get an extra 30 Wehrmacht divisions right from the get go. [:)]

Bo

[Joseignacio]

I guess you mean 30 corps. It's possible in MWIF (not in WIF, limited pool) to give you 30 divisions but the usual unit is the corps.

[bo]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

I guess you mean 30 corps. It's possible in MWIF (not in WIF, limited pool) to give you 30 divisions but the usual unit is the corps.

Well lets see now Jose, beings I have never played Wif board game and have played Cwif which allows me divisions, I guess I mean divisions [:)] and if Warspite1 were a true Englishman he would give them to me. But if he were a English gentleman he would give me 30 corps which I would much prefer over divisions [:D] Jose I thought you were going to Hungary soon, while you are there read up on Cwif rules [;)]

Bo

[Joseignacio]

Ok, divisions then. [:)] I was to Hungary by Christmas and don't intend to go back till summer holidays, which I am not sure when I will take in the period July-September...

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur


to be fair I cheated a little ..

but Italian navs are really

Warspite1

The Regia Marina did that?? THE GAME IS BORKED!! [:D]

I doubt italian navs were part of Regia Marina.

[HansHafen]

I expect the English Naval Commander to join his fleet at the bottom of the sea with all due haste!

I was surprised to learn that the naval loses between the UK and Italy were basically even over the course of the war in the Med. Very surprising.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: HansHafen

I expect the English Naval Commander to join his fleet at the bottom of the sea with all due haste!

I was surprised to learn that the naval loses between the UK and Italy were basically even over the course of the war in the Med. Very surprising.

Warspite1

I doubt they were even between Italy and the UK. Between Italy/Germany and the UK maybe, although the forces ranged were very different as were the objectives of each navy.

[michaelbaldur]

REVENGE

[brian brian]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: HansHafen

I expect the English Naval Commander to join his fleet at the bottom of the sea with all due haste!

I was surprised to learn that the naval loses between the UK and Italy were basically even over the course of the war in the Med. Very surprising.

Warspite1

I doubt they were even between Italy and the UK. Between Italy/Germany and the UK maybe, although the forces ranged were very different as were the objectives of each navy.

lots of ways to count on that. Italy of course, ratcheted up the score a little using the Frogmen. And Warspite1 brings up an important point ... do losses to the Luftwaffe and the U-Boats count in that reckoning? What about the loss of the Roma? Probably best not count that on either side. A lot of WiF players don't play the Royal Navy that well....you have to play like the real Royal Navy did it.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: HansHafen

I expect the English Naval Commander to join his fleet at the bottom of the sea with all due haste!

I was surprised to learn that the naval loses between the UK and Italy were basically even over the course of the war in the Med. Very surprising.

Warspite1

I doubt they were even between Italy and the UK. Between Italy/Germany and the UK maybe, although the forces ranged were very different as were the objectives of each navy.

lots of ways to count on that. Italy of course, ratcheted up the score a little using the Frogmen. And Warspite1 brings up an important point ... do losses to the Luftwaffe and the U-Boats count in that reckoning? What about the loss of the Roma? Probably best not count that on either side. A lot of WiF players don't play the Royal Navy that well....you have to play like the real Royal Navy did it.

Warspite1

I don't count Valiant and Queen Elizabeth as having been sunk as they were both repaired and returned to action. For the same reason Littorio and Caio Duilo are not counted. Conte di Cavour is however, because as a result of the Taranto raid she was never repaired before the Italians exited stage left.

The three capital ships the RN lost were all to German subs. I like reading O'Hara's books but I fundamentally disagree with him on his appraisal of the Regia Marina in WWII. I think given the superiority they had, given the chances they had, they could and should have caused the Royal Navy very serious losses. In Littorio and Vittorio Veneto the RM had ships that completely outclassed anything Cunningham could offer, they had numerous 8-inch gunned heavy cruisers, they had air support, a larger submarine service - but they never really made it count.

The Royal Navy's role in the Mediterranean was to put themselves in harm's way; trying to bring superior Italian ships to battle, saving the troops in Greece and Crete, supplying Malta, supporting forces in the Western Desert and later Torch and Italy. They did so superbly given the equipment they had to fight with (much of which was WWI vintage), and they suffered accordingly.

[Terminus]

Er, "superior" Italian ships? In some cases newer, certainly, but superior?

[warspite1]

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[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Er, "superior" Italian ships? In some cases newer, certainly, but superior?

Warspite1

Yes. I mentioned specifically the two Littorios and the heavy cruisers. In terms of speed and range to dictate a battle, these were ships that Cunningham/Sommerville must have prayed for. Going into battle with Royal Sovereign, Ramillies, Barham and Malaya (sorry, I meant trying to get into a battle) was frustrating in the extreme - on more than one occasion. The County-class heavy cruisers were better suited elsewhere, York was sent to the Med but did not last long, while Exeter was otherwise engaged.

The superiority also shows itself in overall numbers - and, given the fact that the RN was split in two, the local superiority they had on many occasions. The Second Battle of Sirte being perhaps the most extreme case.

I believe that if you swapped the two British commanders for their Italian contemporaries, the Mediterranean naval war would have been very different.