41-45GC - A FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL - GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
It is interesting how the game design makes the 1941 Axis offensive less dependent on afv totals than what suspicion might say. The last posting of Axis OOB numbers had under 1k afvs running, yet the swooshing offensives continue.
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
It is the mobility of high morale units that disrupts Sov plans. However, even with muling, fatigue plays a factor eventually. The 4-50 morale 99 division is great for ruining your railroad day, but not fighting. Unfortunately, axis players are getting evilly adept at the hybrid strategy of BU, muling and Resting - I am needing to leave pieces of factories behind! 
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
I agree with Flavius. but it will help if you remain planted on him as units starting turn not in a ZOC recover more fatigue and MPs. You have masses of tank brigades not doing anything useful.
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
A lot of those brigades are probably shells, but even so they can make very handy units for picketing. You get so many of the damned things that you can afford to throw away a few of them, you'll never convert all of them to corps.
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
I'm seeing Soviet players have a total of tank + mech corps at about 40, so for that target 'throwing away' tank brigades will require more than just a few tank/motor/mech brigades to be raised up.
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
ORIGINAL: randallw
It is interesting how the game design makes the 1941 Axis offensive less dependent on afv totals than what suspicion might say. The last posting of Axis OOB numbers had under 1k afvs running, yet the swooshing offensives continue.
Agreed, very interesting observation...
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
As too the brigades, it's slow business building them up so I try to be selective and only refit 20 or so at a time. I'm also building a couple of Bn's for the Cav. corps which makes it even slower.
I don't like throwing away anything, but I'll sacrifice anything for the right cause.
I don't like throwing away anything, but I'll sacrifice anything for the right cause.
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
ORIGINAL: randallw
I'm seeing Soviet players have a total of tank + mech corps at about 40, so for that target 'throwing away' tank brigades will require more than just a few tank/motor/mech brigades to be raised up.
That's about what I build as well, but note that mech corps don't use tank brigades.
You will have more tank brigades than you know what to do with. Trust me on this.
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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
So the ratio of tank vs mech corps should not heavily slanted towards the tank?
RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
TURN 15
Before Sov moves:
All quiet in the North. In the Center, the slugfest continues.

Before Sov moves:
All quiet in the North. In the Center, the slugfest continues.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
5 attacks, 5 German victories (details in next post). The Russian line is pushed back remorselessly. I'm running out of forts and good defensive terrain.
2 more turns to Mud.

2 more turns to Mud.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
Detail attacks, match colours to above screenshot.
Unfortunately, I had no units on reserve, again they might have tipped the scales...

Unfortunately, I had no units on reserve, again they might have tipped the scales...

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
In the South, the action shifts to Voronezh, all industry is locked there.
Just to the North, the remaining industry in Tula (12 ARM) is also locked.

Just to the North, the remaining industry in Tula (12 ARM) is also locked.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
Close up Voronezh and Tula:


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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
Center, after Soviet moves.
Again I patch up my lines but decide not to contest the 2 clear hexes in front of W-Moscow to heavily. My units are getting torn to pieces in good defensive terrain, no point in suffering massive casualties in clear with limited forts.
W-Moscow & khimki are evacuated. But I decide against railing out the industry in the rest of Moscow. The plan is to make it worth his while to keep on attacking and staying in front of Moscow during the Blizzard so I can get at him. It's a gamble, but I'm betting I can hold on to mud, and that the city hexes will be too difficult for him to take by frontal assault. This might be the most stupid thing I do thusfar, but if it pays off, he's going to be in trouble...

Again I patch up my lines but decide not to contest the 2 clear hexes in front of W-Moscow to heavily. My units are getting torn to pieces in good defensive terrain, no point in suffering massive casualties in clear with limited forts.
W-Moscow & khimki are evacuated. But I decide against railing out the industry in the rest of Moscow. The plan is to make it worth his while to keep on attacking and staying in front of Moscow during the Blizzard so I can get at him. It's a gamble, but I'm betting I can hold on to mud, and that the city hexes will be too difficult for him to take by frontal assault. This might be the most stupid thing I do thusfar, but if it pays off, he's going to be in trouble...

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
Overview Center
The 4 stacks closest to Moscow get 3 to 4 airstrikes per stack to keep their fatigue/Distruption up.
Tula is abandonned & the Bryansk Front takes up possition North of the Oka and guard the flank.

The 4 stacks closest to Moscow get 3 to 4 airstrikes per stack to keep their fatigue/Distruption up.
Tula is abandonned & the Bryansk Front takes up possition North of the Oka and guard the flank.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
South, Overview.
I scramble to the defence of Voronezh. I can hardly believe he's actually serious in his attempt to take it but I sure as hell ain't going to roll over and just let him have it. 2 Armies (16th & 19th) are moved up to cover the left flank. The right flank is shored up with new arrivals and transferred divs. Still, the line is weak.
On the Rostov front all is calm although he makes a push towards Voroshilovgrad which I will not contest as it would put my right flank to far forward and invite a drive into the rear through the hole seperating this part of the front with the Voronezh front. besides, I don't have the strength to protect Rostov and Voroshilovgrad at the same time, together with all the other battles going on.

I scramble to the defence of Voronezh. I can hardly believe he's actually serious in his attempt to take it but I sure as hell ain't going to roll over and just let him have it. 2 Armies (16th & 19th) are moved up to cover the left flank. The right flank is shored up with new arrivals and transferred divs. Still, the line is weak.
On the Rostov front all is calm although he makes a push towards Voroshilovgrad which I will not contest as it would put my right flank to far forward and invite a drive into the rear through the hole seperating this part of the front with the Voronezh front. besides, I don't have the strength to protect Rostov and Voroshilovgrad at the same time, together with all the other battles going on.

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RE: 41-45GC GLVACA (Sov) v SJ80 (Axis) - NO SJ80
OOB Turn 15


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Ground Losses


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Air losses.


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