Ending an IJ wet dream - bluebook (J) vs castor troy (A)

[Andav]

Are these West cost invasions below the line where you get the extra Aussie reinforcements or is he walking that tight rope as well?

Wa

[crsutton]

He has quite a long supply line and two distinct separate invasion points to support. If you can keep KB engaged at one, it might be a chance to use your carriers to disrupt supply to the other. Or counter invade a key hex on his line of supply route. (Milne Bay or Rossell Island come to mind). Even if you eventually lose it, it will throw a wrench into his plans and force him to react-and no invasion bonus soon. Right now he seems to be on a very tight timetable. Anything to disrupt him might just really screw him up. And given the date, he can't have very much defending his rear areas.

I also concur in that I don't think you need to fret about him grabbing all the dot bases in the Pacific. He can't sustain them and you only need to take the ones back that suit your needs. I don't really know why he is doing it except to perhaps confuse you.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Andav


Are these West cost invasions below the line where you get the extra Aussie reinforcements or is he walking that tight rope as well?

Wa

no, not yet, but he probably will take some bases on the East coast that will trigger reinforcements

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

He has quite a long supply line and two distinct separate invasion points to support. If you can keep KB engaged at one, it might be a chance to use your carriers to disrupt supply to the other. Or counter invade a key hex on his line of supply route. (Milne Bay or Rossell Island come to mind). Even if you eventually lose it, it will throw a wrench into his plans and force him to react-and no invasion bonus soon. Right now he seems to be on a very tight timetable. Anything to disrupt him might just really screw him up. And given the date, he can't have very much defending his rear areas.

I also concur in that I don't think you need to fret about him grabbing all the dot bases in the Pacific. He can't sustain them and you only need to take the ones back that suit your needs. I don't really know why he is doing it except to perhaps confuse you.

I doubt he would care about Milne Bay at all, because I own PM and he doesn't care. [:D] I don't worry about the dots in the Pacific nor can I take them all back as I would have to prep my units for three months for each dot, otherwhise landing at empty dots would cause too many losses, no amphib fantasy bonus for the Allied, even if they were the ones doing real amphib operations, not the Japanese.

[SeethingErmine]

ORIGINAL: castor troy
But hey, this thread is called ending an IJ wet dream and this is what I intend to do. So far it looks impressing what the enemy did, but basically I can only repeat myself, he took EMPTY ground and when he tried to tangle with a place that was defended it didn't go according to his plan. We'll see how his adventure will turn out, I can asure you, even if he would succeed taking Australia, it will for sure NOT GO ACCORDING TO HIS PLANS!

Haha, that's the spirit! To be clear, I didn't mean anything bad by my comments - they were just me being silly mostly, although I don't think you took them wrong way. The idea of IJ amphibious landings in Antarctica was too funny, made me respond.

His logistical constraints in southern/western Australia are an interesting puzzle. Does he sail all the way back to the DEI to replenish ammo and sorties, or has he brought along nav support and auxiliaries to turn one of the small local ports into a base of operations? 5th fleet over on Fiji or New Caledonia would work too, but transiting the Tasman Sea for resupply seems like sheer craziness. I guess if he overruns Adelaide or Perth the problem goes away.

Regarding the fight with Murasame, I've often wondered if the surface combat model actually has any penalty for getting shot at more than one time in a combat round. Seems like one ship can return fire effectively to any number of attackers in a single combat round, which feels a little counterintuitive.

[Captain Cruft]

Adelaide?

Speaking as a mostly Japan player this is just utterly preposterous. It's game engine optimisation gone mad.

[EUBanana]

On the plus side, KB's fighters being used on escort missions into heavy P40 CAP is surely pretty much the ideal situation for you. The edge should be taken off KB fairly quickly at this rate.

As for dot hexes, if they are totally undefended you could run rampant with some paras. Sub raid on one atoll, get some transport a/c there, and then everything in range thats exposed is yours, all bloodlessly. I think paras can drop by Catalina no? so you need a sub, an AV, a para battalion and and a Catalina squadron.

Assuming you have any paras at this point in the war, and that assumes that they really are empty.

Probably a good idea to take as much as you can bloodlessly when you can, as even a baseforce there will stop that and force the slow route. It sounds like he's relying on the landing losses alone to deter rapid counterinvasion.

added: especially as his amphib bonus is about to expire so he wont simply be able to march back in at will.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: SeethingErmine

ORIGINAL: castor troy
But hey, this thread is called ending an IJ wet dream and this is what I intend to do. So far it looks impressing what the enemy did, but basically I can only repeat myself, he took EMPTY ground and when he tried to tangle with a place that was defended it didn't go according to his plan. We'll see how his adventure will turn out, I can asure you, even if he would succeed taking Australia, it will for sure NOT GO ACCORDING TO HIS PLANS!

Haha, that's the spirit! To be clear, I didn't mean anything bad by my comments - they were just me being silly mostly, although I don't think you took them wrong way. The idea of IJ amphibious landings in Antarctica was too funny, made me respond.

His logistical constraints in southern/western Australia are an interesting puzzle. Does he sail all the way back to the DEI to replenish ammo and sorties, or has he brought along nav support and auxiliaries to turn one of the small local ports into a base of operations? 5th fleet over on Fiji or New Caledonia would work too, but transiting the Tasman Sea for resupply seems like sheer craziness. I guess if he overruns Adelaide or Perth the problem goes away.

Regarding the fight with Murasame, I've often wondered if the surface combat model actually has any penalty for getting shot at more than one time in a combat round. Seems like one ship can return fire effectively to any number of attackers in a single combat round, which feels a little counterintuitive.

When I see how many IJN ships (hundreds) operate SOUTH!!! of Australia one can not speak about any logistical constraints at all for the IJN in this game, it just does not exist, no matter what ppl are saying, this is once more a good prove for it. I am struggling in every game to have enough fuel at the frontline using EVERY available tanker and the IJN happily sails two hundred xAK/xAP covered by literally all available BB/CV/CA into positions West, East and South of Australia and we are in MARCH 42! [8|]

As to surface combat, yeah, every ship that is fired upon seems to be able to fire back at each and every enemy that shoots the ship. Counterintuitive is spot on in this regard.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

On the plus side, KB's fighters being used on escort missions into heavy P40 CAP is surely pretty much the ideal situation for you. The edge should be taken off KB fairly quickly at this rate.

As for dot hexes, if they are totally undefended you could run rampant with some paras. Sub raid on one atoll, get some transport a/c there, and then everything in range thats exposed is yours, all bloodlessly. I think paras can drop by Catalina no? so you need a sub, an AV, a para battalion and and a Catalina squadron.

Assuming you have any paras at this point in the war, and that assumes that they really are empty.

Probably a good idea to take as much as you can bloodlessly when you can, as even a baseforce there will stop that and force the slow route. It sounds like he's relying on the landing losses alone to deter rapid counterinvasion.

Bluebook surely isn't happy about his carriers launching strikes against targets covered by Cap and he sure isn't deliberately doing so. But all in all, we haven't killed enough of KB's airwing yet.

I guess I will never care about all the dots, let alone at this stage now. The para + patrol ac idea is a good one though.

[Crackaces]

When I see how many IJN ships (hundreds) operate SOUTH!!! of Australia one can not speak about any logistical constraints at all for the IJN in this game, it just does not exist, no matter what ppl are saying, this is once more a good prove for it. I am struggling in every game to have enough fuel at the frontline using EVERY available tanker and the IJN happily sails two hundred xAK/xAP covered by literally all available BB/CV/CA into positions West, East and South of Australia and we are in MARCH 42

Read Greyjoy vs. Radier ...Here in Scenario #2 the IJ not only took India & China .. but sank almost the entire USN/RN including AP's .. but in '44 the Allies get so much stuff that this IJ strategy of extension failed when Greyjoy pulled off the Hokkido Hurricane .. .The game ended because the system cannot handle at least the number of platforms in scenario #2 [Allied fighter/IJ fighters and Allied bombers OOB] that were all within range on the home islands. My own evaluation of the situation is that the IJ would have been hard pressed to last unitl '46.

Such is the opporunity here is you are paitent.

[Puhis]

ORIGINAL: castor troy
When I see how many IJN ships (hundreds) operate SOUTH!!! of Australia one can not speak about any logistical constraints at all for the IJN in this game, it just does not exist, no matter what ppl are saying, this is once more a good prove for it. I am struggling in every game to have enough fuel at the frontline using EVERY available tanker and the IJN happily sails two hundred xAK/xAP covered by literally all available BB/CV/CA into positions West, East and South of Australia and we are in MARCH 42! [8|]

Bluebook is burning lot of fuel by doing that. Early 1942 Japan have enough fuel reserves to support that kind of operations, but he must be losing fuel rapidly.

It almost seems like your opponent is not going to play this game past 1942... [&:]

[HansBolter]

Guys, I never meant to spark a discussion on the value or lack thereof for dot hexes in empty wasteland areas of the south pacific. I was only trying to point out that the forces being used to take them were likely very susceptable to attrition and possibly open to putting an outright stop to such mad island grabbing by the intervention of very little force.

Castor discounted the usefullness of going after them by stating that he did it all with an xAK and a small assault unit that wasn't worth wasting his carriers on. I agree, but a force of 2 DDs or a light SAG of a CL and a couple of DDs could just as easily have put a stop to it.

Personally, I think it's worth shutting down his expansion wherever and whenever you can. Surely he would have just loaded up another xAK with another small assault unit and went right back to his old tricks serving up another small force for the slaughter.

Just my two cents.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

When I see how many IJN ships (hundreds) operate SOUTH!!! of Australia one can not speak about any logistical constraints at all for the IJN in this game, it just does not exist, no matter what ppl are saying, this is once more a good prove for it. I am struggling in every game to have enough fuel at the frontline using EVERY available tanker and the IJN happily sails two hundred xAK/xAP covered by literally all available BB/CV/CA into positions West, East and South of Australia and we are in MARCH 42

Read Greyjoy vs. Radier ...Here in Scenario #2 the IJ not only took India & China .. but sank almost the entire USN/RN including AP's .. but in '44 the Allies get so much stuff that this IJ strategy of extension failed when Greyjoy pulled off the Hokkido Hurricane .. .The game ended because the system cannot handle at least the number of platforms in scenario #2 [Allied fighter/IJ fighters and Allied bombers OOB] that were all within range on the home islands. My own evaluation of the situation is that the IJ would have been hard pressed to last unitl '46.

Such is the opporunity here is you are paitent.

I know GJ and Rader's game and I don't worry about me at all, not even if he would take all of Australia, I can wait for 18 months and land anywhere I like to. But I really had to wonder how it is possible for the IJN to operate more or less the whole Navy 1800 miles away from the next bigger port.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Puhis

ORIGINAL: castor troy
When I see how many IJN ships (hundreds) operate SOUTH!!! of Australia one can not speak about any logistical constraints at all for the IJN in this game, it just does not exist, no matter what ppl are saying, this is once more a good prove for it. I am struggling in every game to have enough fuel at the frontline using EVERY available tanker and the IJN happily sails two hundred xAK/xAP covered by literally all available BB/CV/CA into positions West, East and South of Australia and we are in MARCH 42! [8|]

Bluebook is burning lot of fuel by doing that. Early 1942 Japan have enough fuel reserves to support that kind of operations, but he must be losing fuel rapidly.

It almost seems like your opponent is not going to play this game past 1942... [&:]

bluebook said he wants to do better than real life and even if he would take losses (he will, I can guarantee you this) he will not give in. It's not really about having the fuel, but you also have to have it where you need it which makes me just even more shaking my head when I see where all those massive convoys are operating.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Guys, I never meant to spark a discussion on the value or lack thereof for dot hexes in empty wasteland areas of the south pacific. I was only trying to point out that the forces being used to take them were likely very susceptable to attrition and possibly open to putting an outright stop to such mad island grabbing by the intervention of very little force.

Castor discounted the usefullness of going after them by stating that he did it all with an xAK and a small assault unit that wasn't worth wasting his carriers on. I agree, but a force of 2 DDs or a light SAG of a CL and a couple of DDs could just as easily have put a stop to it.

Personally, I think it's worth shutting down his expansion wherever and whenever you can. Surely he would have just loaded up another xAK with another small assault unit and went right back to his old tricks serving up another small force for the slaughter.

Just my two cents.

yeah, but the dots won't help nor harm me. The target is Australia and we'll have to focus on it. Letting him do what he did so far without opposition everywhere got one big reason, I don't give a lot on the areas he took. And like I've said earlier already, he might have a chance to take Australia but I can asure you, it won't go as smooth as taking empty area's in SOPAC.

[castor troy]

it's heating up...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 15, 42
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Invasion Support action off Port Augusta (75,159)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

24 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
AK Kaga Maru
DD Uranami

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Busselton at 39,150, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko, Shell hits 8, on fire
DD Harusame, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Fubuki

Allied Ships
CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Cornwall, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
CL Glasgow, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Boise, Shell hits 1
DD Stronghold, Shell hits 2
DD Tenedos
DD Encounter, Shell hits 1, on fire

this engagement pretty much confirms what we have said recently, a single ship will fire at every ship it is fired from and in the case of the Japanese, it means these ships constantly turn out as super heroes... you just have to read below's combat summary which shows that Myoko fired like wild, literally knocking out my Brit/US cruiser force... all of those hits were either penetrating or exploded in the super structure, leaving my two British heavy cruisers in a poor state... once again an IJN super hero result we see just too often but one can keep insisting this is all fine... Myoko's belt armor was strong enough to see the British 8 inch shells bouncing from longer range...

so with the way it is working, you see one cruiser putting out more shells than four cruisers together... clear IJN victory... would there have been a second IJN CA we would probably not have a single ship left... this is a daylight encounter for those that would like to bring up another argument how super hero like the IJN was in night engagements...

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 24,000 yards
CA Myoko fires at CA Dorsetshire at 24,000 yards
CA Myoko fires at CA Dorsetshire at 24,000 yards
CA Myoko fires at CL Glasgow at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CA Myoko at 18,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Harusame at 18,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Boise at 18,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Glasgow at 18,000 yards
CA Myoko engages DD Stronghold at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
DD Tenedos collides with CL Boise at 39 , 150
DD Fubuki engages DD Encounter at 13,000 yards
DD Harusame engages CL Boise at 13,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages CA Myoko at 13,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Encounter at 13,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages DD Harusame at 13,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Fubuki at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Cornwall at 10,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages CA Myoko at 10,000 yards
CL Boise engages CA Myoko at 10,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Encounter at 10,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages DD Fubuki at 10,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Stronghold at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Cornwall at 9,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Dorsetshire at 9,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Tenedos at 9,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Glasgow at 9,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Encounter at 9,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Tenedos at 9,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Stronghold at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Cornwall at 11,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Dorsetshire at 11,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Stronghold at 11,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Glasgow at 11,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Encounter at 11,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Tenedos at 11,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Harusame at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CA Myoko at 14,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Encounter at 14,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Encounter at 14,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Glasgow at 14,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Encounter at 14,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Stronghold at 14,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CA Myoko at 18,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Encounter at 18,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Harusame at 18,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Glasgow at 18,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages DD Encounter at 18,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Stronghold at 18,000 yards
Yamazumi, Teijiro orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 21,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Cornwall at 21,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Fubuki at 21,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Harusame at 21,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Glasgow at 21,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CA Myoko at 21,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Harusame at 21,000 yards
Range increases to 22,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Fubuki at 22,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Glasgow at 22,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages CA Myoko at 21,000 yards
CL Boise engages CA Myoko at 21,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Fubuki at 21,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CL Glasgow at 21,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Cornwall at 21,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Fubuki at 21,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Harusame at 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages CA Myoko at 21,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Harusame at 23,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages CA Myoko at 23,000 yards
Range increases to 24,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages CA Myoko at 24,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Fubuki at 24,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Harusame at 24,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages CA Myoko at 24,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CA Myoko at 26,000 yards
CA Myoko engages CA Dorsetshire at 26,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Harusame at 26,000 yards
CA Cornwall engages CA Myoko at 26,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages CA Myoko at 26,000 yards
CL Boise engages CA Myoko at 26,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Busselton at 39,150, Range 25,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Shinonome, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Wakatake

Allied Ships
CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
CL Glasgow, heavy fires
CL Boise
DD Stronghold
DD Tenedos

Cornwall was so heavily damaged by Myoko that she was split off the cruiser squadron and she's retiring to Perth together with DD Encounter... amazingly enough, Dorsetshire was still part of this TF, it was Boise to sink Shinonome with 6 inch shell hits...

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 25,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 25,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Wakatake at 25,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages DD Shinonome at 25,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Shinonome at 19,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages CL Glasgow at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Wakatake at 15,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Shinonome at 15,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages DD Shinonome at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Wakatake at 13,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Shinonome at 13,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages DD Shinonome at 13,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Wakatake at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages DD Wakatake at 11,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Stronghold at 11,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Tenedos at 11,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Wakatake at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
DD Wakatake engages CA Dorsetshire at 7,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Shinonome at 7,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages DD Shinonome at 7,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages DD Shinonome at 7,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Shinonome at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Wakatake at 9,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Shinonome at 9,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages DD Shinonome at 9,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages DD Wakatake at 9,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages DD Wakatake at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Shinonome at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 16,000 yards
DD Shinonome engages DD Tenedos at 16,000 yards
Range increases to 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages DD Shinonome at 21,000 yards
Range increases to 26,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Shinonome at 26,000 yards
Range increases to 29,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Busselton at 39,150, Range 21,000 Yards



Japanese Ships
xAK Kinugawa Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAK Zenyo Maru
xAK Nako Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Johore Maru, Shell hits 28, and is sunk
xAP Manzyu Maru, Shell hits 2
xAP Koan Maru, Shell hits 2
xAP Kongo Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
xAP Huso Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAP Dairen Maru
xAP Hoten Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
xAP Tsingtao Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAP Taizan Maru
xAP Shanghai Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
xAP Naminoue Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Ukishima Maru, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
CA Dorsetshire, heavy fires
CL Glasgow, heavy fires
CL Boise
DD Stronghold
DD Tenedos

Japanese ground losses:
2163 casualties reported
Squads: 46 destroyed, 143 disabled
Non Combat: 152 destroyed, 190 disabled
Engineers: 24 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 74 (37 destroyed, 37 disabled)
Vehicles lost 43 (30 destroyed, 13 disabled)


WOW! I just can't believe that bluebook really only covers this huge armada (there are more than just this TF in the hex) with only one heavy cruiser and not even halve a dozen destroyers... imagine if our cruiser squadron would have performed as you would expect it during a daylight engagement of a far superior force vs a totally outgunned enemy, we would probably have whiped out halve of this convoy... we sink one and heavily damage another freighter but ground losses are severe already... this is what I earlier called "not working according to plan" for the enemy... am sure this convoy is carrying at least one IJA div... and there should be another surprise for the IJN...

there wasn't a single escort for this troop convoy...

we pay with two heavy and one light cruiser in a pityful state, all three of them in worse state than Myoko... while they aren't in imminent danger of sinking another engagement with enemy cruisers would probably finish them, don't want to think about the IJN CV showing up but they are still covering the invasion at Port Augusta... mistake, BIG mistake...


Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 23,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 23,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
CL Glasgow engages xAK Johore Maru at 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAK Johore Maru at 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAK Kinugawa Maru at 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAP Naminoue Maru at 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAK Johore Maru at 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAP Koan Maru at 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAP Manzyu Maru at 21,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAK Kinugawa Maru at 21,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAP Naminoue Maru at 20,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAK Johore Maru at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Johore Maru at 18,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Koan Maru at 18,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAP Manzyu Maru at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Naminoue Maru at 14,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAP Koan Maru at 14,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Manzyu Maru at 14,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Nako Maru at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Shanghai Maru at 11,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages xAK Johore Maru at 11,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAP Manzyu Maru at 11,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Johore Maru at 11,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages xAK Nako Maru at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Johore Maru at 7,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Shanghai Maru at 7,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAK Johore Maru at 7,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Johore Maru at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Johore Maru at 8,000 yards
CL Glasgow engages xAP Shanghai Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAK Johore Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages xAP Tsingtao Maru at 8,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Hoten Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages xAP Dairen Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages xAP Kongo Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAK Johore Maru at 8,000 yards
Somerville, James F orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages xAP Ukishima Maru at 10,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Johore Maru at 10,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAP Shanghai Maru at 10,000 yards
DD Tenedos engages xAK Johore Maru at 10,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages xAP Koan Maru at 10,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages xAP Manzyu Maru at 10,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages xAK Nako Maru at 10,000 yards
DD Stronghold engages xAK Kinugawa Maru at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages xAP Ukishima Maru at 15,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Naminoue Maru at 15,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Hoten Maru at 15,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Kongo Maru at 15,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages xAK Johore Maru at 15,000 yards
CA Dorsetshire engages xAK Kinugawa Maru at 15,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Naminoue Maru at 19,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Tsingtao Maru at 19,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Huso Maru at 19,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAK Johore Maru at 19,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Ukishima Maru at 23,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Tsingtao Maru at 23,000 yards
CL Boise engages xAP Huso Maru at 23,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 52



Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
AMc Gunbar, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk



Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
22 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 11000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

with the enemy invasion of SOUTHERN Australia I had to fly out my fighters that were based at Darwin to to fight the Japanese some 1500 miles further SOUTH...

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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 109 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
xAKL Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AMc Beryl, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk



Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Massive explosion on AMc Beryl

I do have quite a number of heavy flak guns at Darwin but the effect isn't really notable...

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Morning Air attack on Clark Field USAAF Base Force, at 80,76 (Cabanatuan)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 24
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 6
Ki-30 Ann x 54
Ki-36 Ida x 12
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 37
Ki-51 Sonia x 15



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 3 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-36 Ida: 2 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
28 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
24 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Clark Field USAAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Manila USAAF Base Force ...

I have moved my base forces out of Clark Field, those units alone used up 80% of all supply there, they are now on suicide mission... NEVER, I say NEVER have flak guns at a base under siege when you can't bring in supplies, no notable effect but those units alone will use up all your supply...

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Morning Air attack on Clark Field USAAF Base Force, at 80,76 (Cabanatuan)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 22



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Malang , at 55,105

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 69
Ki-30 Ann x 5



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
21 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Malang , at 55,105

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 11



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 3rd Tank Regiment, at 75,159 (Port Augusta)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5



Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 20
B-26 Marauder x 40


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 59 (3 destroyed, 56 disabled)

ordered my bombers from Melbourne to attack the enemy tank Army landing at Port Augusta and in good weather we do some nice damage... this attack nearly had the PBEM being abandoned as result as I was told that this turn had to be redone because I have used my B-17 at 6000ft. Now there was never a hr for 4E A2G attacks, only for nav attack below 10000ft and I replied that I would never redo that turn... I was forced into a new hr of no 4E on ground attack below 10000ft as result, otherwise my opponent would have dropped the game as he said the 4E (not even three dozen of them mind you) would kill his Army in Australia alone... [8|] funny, someone throws all realism over board doing those crazy invasions that are nothing but pure game fantasy and then insists my 4E are too powerful - this is Babeslite, bomb effect was HALVED!

at least in the end he had to admit that there was no hr I have broken but the game only continued with a new hr on 4E... that the 40 Marauders did far more damage here is for sure...

we identified leaking Cap from two enemy CV and a CVL...



Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead
Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 11000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 9th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 9th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd Recon Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 26th Recon Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Recon Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd Recon Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd Recon Regiment ...
Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...


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Morning Air attack on 5th Tank Regiment, at 75,159 (Port Augusta)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15



Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)



Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 11000
Raid is overhead
Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes

Also attacking 26th Recon Regiment ...


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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Division, at 49,141 (Geraldton)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 8


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Hudson I bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb



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Amphibious Assault at Catbalogan (82,84)

TF 166 troops unloading over beach at Catbalogan, 82,84





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Ground combat at Port Augusta (75,159)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 4567 troops, 12 guns, 422 vehicles, Assault Value = 247

Defending force 5335 troops, 29 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 160

Japanese adjusted assault: 143

Allied adjusted defense: 111

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), op mode(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
239 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
407 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 56 (46 destroyed, 10 disabled)

in bluebook's oppinion the two dozen 4E at 6000ft were the reason this shock attack failed... the fact how totally silly the overall situation is with a tank Army being unloaded in one turn at Port Augusta, 2000 miles away from the next IJ base is of course perfectly fine... screw the silly amphib bonus...

Assaulting units:
5th Tank Regiment
1st Recon Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
26th Recon Regiment

Defending units:
2/4th Armoured Regiment
6th Aus Cav Brigade
RAAF OTU Augusta


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Ground combat at Malang (55,105)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2536 troops, 237 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 452

Defending force 35930 troops, 305 guns, 124 vehicles, Assault Value = 646

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
2nd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
4th KNIL Regiment
1st KNIL Regiment
Lijfwacht Cav Sqn
1st Regt Cavalerie
3rd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
2nd KNIL Regiment
1st KNIL Landstorm Battalion
Barisan KNIL Regiment
Mobiele Eenheid Battalion
Marinier Battalion
Tjilatjap KNIL Battalion
6th KNIL Regiment
1 ML-KNIL Aviation
Soerabaja Base Force
Commandement Marine
KNIL Army Command
North Java Base Force
Batavia Base Force
ML-KNIL
South Java Base Force
2 ML-KNIL Aviation
ABDA
MLD
Bandoeng Base Force


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Ground combat at Port Augusta (75,159)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2046 troops, 18 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 107

Defending force 4336 troops, 12 guns, 421 vehicles, Assault Value = 209



Assaulting units:
6th Aus Cav Brigade
2/4th Armoured Regiment
RAAF OTU Augusta

Defending units:
9th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
1st Recon Regiment
2nd Recon Regiment
26th Recon Regiment

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: crsutton

He has quite a long supply line and two distinct separate invasion points to support. If you can keep KB engaged at one, it might be a chance to use your carriers to disrupt supply to the other. Or counter invade a key hex on his line of supply route. (Milne Bay or Rossell Island come to mind). Even if you eventually lose it, it will throw a wrench into his plans and force him to react-and no invasion bonus soon. Right now he seems to be on a very tight timetable. Anything to disrupt him might just really screw him up. And given the date, he can't have very much defending his rear areas.

I also concur in that I don't think you need to fret about him grabbing all the dot bases in the Pacific. He can't sustain them and you only need to take the ones back that suit your needs. I don't really know why he is doing it except to perhaps confuse you.

I doubt he would care about Milne Bay at all, because I own PM and he doesn't care. [:D] I don't worry about the dots in the Pacific nor can I take them all back as I would have to prep my units for three months for each dot, otherwhise landing at empty dots would cause too many losses, no amphib fantasy bonus for the Allied, even if they were the ones doing real amphib operations, not the Japanese.

No, but in retaking most of these bases the Allied don't need much help. Most will be weakly garrisoned if at all and when the Allied get LST, LCI, LCI and the smaller landing craft, they can pretty much throw any unprepped or lightly prepped unit ashore and the disruption will be moderate. Only real issue are atolls with a decent defense. They require a lot more preparation. A lot of players are in a hurry to recombine the gull, lark and sparrow units into their larger organic units but I find these units are prefect for this sort of mission. They all have great organic artillery support and are very strong for their size. Disruption aside, the Allies have plenty of small units available when time comes to retake some of these basses.

Like you said. It is more a nuisance than anything else.

[DRF99]

ordered my bombers from Melbourne to attack the enemy tank Army landing at Port Augusta and in good weather we do some nice damage... this attack nearly had the PBEM being abandoned as result as I was told that this turn had to be redone because I have used my B-17 at 6000ft. Now there was never a hr for 4E A2G attacks, only for nav attack below 10000ft and I replied that I would never redo that turn... I was forced into a new hr of no 4E on ground attack below 10000ft as result, otherwise my opponent would have dropped the game as he said the 4E (not even three dozen of them mind you) would kill his Army in Australia alone... funny, someone throws all realism over board doing those crazy invasions that are nothing but pure game fantasy and then insists my 4E are too powerful - this is Babeslite, bomb effect was HALVED!

at least in the end he had to admit that there was no hr I have broken but the game only continued with a new hr on 4E... that the 40 Marauders did far more damage here is for sure...

I'm a long time lurker on the forums and greatly enjoy your AARs but really have to comment on this: I find it really dissapointing that an opponent who constantly pushes the game rules to the breaking point would insist on a new HR at this point. I think it really reflects badly on Bluebook.

IMO, a bunch of tin can IJA tanks and tankettes running around Australia would have been mauled by bombers in real life so it's a bit rich to complain about it happening in the game.

Cheers,
DRF

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: DRF99

ordered my bombers from Melbourne to attack the enemy tank Army landing at Port Augusta and in good weather we do some nice damage... this attack nearly had the PBEM being abandoned as result as I was told that this turn had to be redone because I have used my B-17 at 6000ft. Now there was never a hr for 4E A2G attacks, only for nav attack below 10000ft and I replied that I would never redo that turn... I was forced into a new hr of no 4E on ground attack below 10000ft as result, otherwise my opponent would have dropped the game as he said the 4E (not even three dozen of them mind you) would kill his Army in Australia alone... funny, someone throws all realism over board doing those crazy invasions that are nothing but pure game fantasy and then insists my 4E are too powerful - this is Babeslite, bomb effect was HALVED!

at least in the end he had to admit that there was no hr I have broken but the game only continued with a new hr on 4E... that the 40 Marauders did far more damage here is for sure...

I'm a long time lurker on the forums and greatly enjoy your AARs but really have to comment on this: I find it really dissapointing that an opponent who constantly pushes the game rules to the breaking point would insist on a new HR at this point. I think it really reflects badly on Bluebook.

IMO, a bunch of tin can IJA tanks and tankettes running around Australia would have been mauled by bombers in real life so it's a bit rich to complain about it happening in the game.

Cheers,
DRF

Couldn't agree more. Your opponent appears to be the typical JFB who overexploits every over the top advantage the game designers gave to the Japanese while demanding that one of the only real threats the Allies have be nerfed by a house rule. I would recommend you look for a real man for an opponent in place of this spoiled child.

[Puhis]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Puhis

ORIGINAL: castor troy
When I see how many IJN ships (hundreds) operate SOUTH!!! of Australia one can not speak about any logistical constraints at all for the IJN in this game, it just does not exist, no matter what ppl are saying, this is once more a good prove for it. I am struggling in every game to have enough fuel at the frontline using EVERY available tanker and the IJN happily sails two hundred xAK/xAP covered by literally all available BB/CV/CA into positions West, East and South of Australia and we are in MARCH 42! [8|]

Bluebook is burning lot of fuel by doing that. Early 1942 Japan have enough fuel reserves to support that kind of operations, but he must be losing fuel rapidly.

It almost seems like your opponent is not going to play this game past 1942... [&:]

bluebook said he wants to do better than real life and even if he would take losses (he will, I can guarantee you this) he will not give in. It's not really about having the fuel, but you also have to have it where you need it which makes me just even more shaking my head when I see where all those massive convoys are operating.

We'll see about that...

He is using japanese biggest transports, those have very good range. I'll admit it's totally historical to operate ships that far south, but what I said is still valid. He has enough tankers and oilers to support that kind of operation, but that means home island is losing fuel rapidly. It takes lot of fuel to refuel battleships and carriers.

ORIGINAL: DRF99


IMO, a bunch of tin can IJA tanks and tankettes running around Australia would have been mauled by bombers in real life so it's a bit rich to complain about it happening in the game.

Not talking about Castor's game but in general, level bombers are way too effective vs. ground attack. In stock game allies could destroy one japanese infantry division in three days just by using level bombers. Historically it was totally impossible to destroy entire combat formation of a division just by dropping bombs at 10000 feet...

I think that was one of the reasons Babes team reduced bomb effectiveness. I sertainly hope that Babes scenarios have fixed that issue. It was not issue of 4Es, but level bombers in general.