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RE: Hearts and Minds
Duplicate. I hate my ISP.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
RE: Hearts and Minds
Dec 22nd 1941.
Not Good:
Ground combat at Port Hedland (57,129)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 17618 troops, 467 guns, 474 vehicles, Assault Value = 480
Defending force 41625 troops, 422 guns, 214 vehicles, Assault Value = 868
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4
Allied adjusted assault: 166
Japanese adjusted defense: 2827
Allied assault odds: 1 to 17 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
527 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
702 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 25 (5 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 59 (6 destroyed, 53 disabled)
Not Good:
Ground combat at Port Hedland (57,129)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 17618 troops, 467 guns, 474 vehicles, Assault Value = 480
Defending force 41625 troops, 422 guns, 214 vehicles, Assault Value = 868
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4
Allied adjusted assault: 166
Japanese adjusted defense: 2827
Allied assault odds: 1 to 17 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
527 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
702 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 25 (5 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 59 (6 destroyed, 53 disabled)
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
RE: Hearts and Minds
Good:
Ground combat at Corunna Downs (57,131)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 1046 troops, 0 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 48
Defending force 559 troops, 23 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 26
Allied adjusted assault: 19
Japanese adjusted defense: 5
Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Corunna Downs !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)
Japanese ground losses:
289 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 15 (8 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
Ground combat at Corunna Downs (57,131)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 1046 troops, 0 guns, 39 vehicles, Assault Value = 48
Defending force 559 troops, 23 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 26
Allied adjusted assault: 19
Japanese adjusted defense: 5
Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE Corunna Downs !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)
Japanese ground losses:
289 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 15 (8 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2
Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
RE: Hearts and Minds
Ho hum:
Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 16
Hurricane IIb Trop x 21
Hurricane IIc Trop x 5
Liberator II x 16
Wellington Ic x 12
B-24D Liberator x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 20
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 15
P-40K Warhawk x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 24
Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29
Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 16
Hurricane IIb Trop x 21
Hurricane IIc Trop x 5
Liberator II x 16
Wellington Ic x 12
B-24D Liberator x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 20
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 15
P-40K Warhawk x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 24
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
RE: Hearts and Minds
OK, "not good" but not bad either. Look at the casualty ratios of squads. It could have been a whole lot worse at 1 to 17 odds. Obviously the Allied forces have to get a lot stronger before attacking again there but this is a good omen.
ORIGINAL: sprior
Dec 22nd 1941.
Not Good:
Ground combat at Port Hedland (57,129)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 17618 troops, 467 guns, 474 vehicles, Assault Value = 480
Defending force 41625 troops, 422 guns, 214 vehicles, Assault Value = 868
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4
Allied adjusted assault: 166
Japanese adjusted defense: 2827
Allied assault odds: 1 to 17 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
527 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
702 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 25 (5 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 59 (6 destroyed, 53 disabled)
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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: sprior
Dec 22nd 1941.
Not Good:
Ground combat at Port Hedland (57,129)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 17618 troops, 467 guns, 474 vehicles, Assault Value = 480
Defending force 41625 troops, 422 guns, 214 vehicles, Assault Value = 868
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4
Allied adjusted assault: 166
Japanese adjusted defense: 2827
Allied assault odds: 1 to 17 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
527 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
702 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 63 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 25 (5 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 59 (6 destroyed, 53 disabled)
Literally months of air attacks. No suppry convoys in a RONG time. Airfield atacks with suppry hits. AND they rost the Imperial Wizard advisor group. That has got to be some seriously good Kool-aide.
How does the combat value go from 868 to 2827 with level four forts? What have they got, plasma cannons?

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RE: Hearts and Minds
**********Dec 23, 1942(c)*********
Darwin: P-38's take up residence at Meraueke and make the long flight to Darwin. For some reason, the two fresh F4F squadrons detailed to sweep over Darwin from the carriers do not fly. [:(]
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16
Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed
The Beaufighters from Gove. At least the numbers of planes over Darwin are declining.
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 28,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 5
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
A night raid from Merauke does not go in but the daytime B-17 raid does. All the B-24's at Alice are grounded...weather? Too bad. Tojos are discovered to be on the ground in Darwin now. Good..we can break them in their puny reventments.
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 7 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19
Darwin: P-38's take up residence at Meraueke and make the long flight to Darwin. For some reason, the two fresh F4F squadrons detailed to sweep over Darwin from the carriers do not fly. [:(]
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16
Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed
The Beaufighters from Gove. At least the numbers of planes over Darwin are declining.
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 28,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 5
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
A night raid from Merauke does not go in but the daytime B-17 raid does. All the B-24's at Alice are grounded...weather? Too bad. Tojos are discovered to be on the ground in Darwin now. Good..we can break them in their puny reventments.
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 7 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19

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RE: Hearts and Minds
Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 16
Hurricane IIb Trop x 21
Hurricane IIc Trop x 5
Liberator II x 16
Wellington Ic x 12
B-24D Liberator x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 20
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 15
P-40K Warhawk x 13
9 aircraft types, at least 2 Air HQ, 2 nationalities...quite satisfying from an aesthetic and coordination standpoint although there is the minor annoyance of the Tojos shooting down the escorts. Turn lose the Hurricane sweeps on them. They gave up protecting Myitkynia. The Tojo jockeys will ask to be transfered to Australia. [:)]

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RE: Hearts and Minds
I lost the election by 4 votes out of a potential 60 or so votes. My opponent was better looking, younger and she actually had a strategic plan.
I tried for the old guard vote. I realized belatedly I was actually using the Chicago method (getting demented old people to vote for me) but I failed to fully implement the strategy, having failed to secure the felon, illegal alien and dead people votes. I deserved to lose really.
I tried for the old guard vote. I realized belatedly I was actually using the Chicago method (getting demented old people to vote for me) but I failed to fully implement the strategy, having failed to secure the felon, illegal alien and dead people votes. I deserved to lose really.

RE: Hearts and Minds
They gave up protecting Myitkynia
The Chindits are on their way there. I just couldn't think of a reason not to.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: sprior
They gave up protecting Myitkynia
The Chindits are on their way there. I just couldn't think of a reason not to.
A solution in search of a problem.[:)]

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RE: Hearts and Minds
By ra way, has Lord Louis Mountbottom joined us in some capacity? I suppose he is hanging about at Kandy House asking for refills on his G&T and charming everyone with his wit?

RE: Hearts and Minds
I haven't heard his bloody annoying voice yet.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
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RE: Hearts and Minds
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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
I lost the election by 4 votes out of a potential 60 or so votes. My opponent was better looking, younger and she actually had a strategic plan.
I tried for the old guard vote. I realized belatedly I was actually using the Chicago method (getting demented old people to vote for me) but I failed to fully implement the strategy, having failed to secure the felon, illegal alien and dead people votes. I deserved to lose really.
I assume you didn't ply your potential voters with alcohol or offer cash bribes to secure your position either? Honestly, Cap'n, it's like you weren't even trying to emulate the Chicago system. [:-]

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RE: Hearts and Minds
Sign in today "EPROBA". This is a particularly nasty probing device employed by the Tralfamadorians. For some odd reason the memory wiping attachment seem not to work very well on humans who live in double-wides.
Went to a function last night with good food, pretty good wine and...oh yeah....it was an air museum.
They had a flyable B-17G (Fuddy Duddy) and a flyable B-25. They also had a beautiful B-26 in gloss black with Korean War equipment, a flyable C-47 and DC-3.
You couldn't actually board the planes but they did let you go in the bomb bays and stick your head in the hatches. The tail gunner position on the B-17G is incredibly tight. I think they must have used ex-jockeys. There is a catwalk in the B-17 bomb bay about 6 inches wide with rope handrails.[:)]
Most impressive things about the B-17 are the size of the tires, the engines and the tail.
The bombsight on the B-25 had an interesting log book of "running time"..probably the analog computer started to screw up from mechanical wear after a time and had to be serviced with new gears or other parts.
A C-47 is bigger than you think it is.
Went to a function last night with good food, pretty good wine and...oh yeah....it was an air museum.
They had a flyable B-17G (Fuddy Duddy) and a flyable B-25. They also had a beautiful B-26 in gloss black with Korean War equipment, a flyable C-47 and DC-3.
You couldn't actually board the planes but they did let you go in the bomb bays and stick your head in the hatches. The tail gunner position on the B-17G is incredibly tight. I think they must have used ex-jockeys. There is a catwalk in the B-17 bomb bay about 6 inches wide with rope handrails.[:)]
Most impressive things about the B-17 are the size of the tires, the engines and the tail.
The bombsight on the B-25 had an interesting log book of "running time"..probably the analog computer started to screw up from mechanical wear after a time and had to be serviced with new gears or other parts.
A C-47 is bigger than you think it is.

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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: Sauvequipeut
Why do you need to sue the airgroups on Horn Island to provide backfill? I know they're Yanks, but surely you could try just ordering them to do it? [&:]
Most will have assumed that "sued" was just a typographical transposition of "used", but your observation is very astute and displays a deep understanding of American labor relations. It's the pilots unions, you see.
*****United States Circuit Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, Samoa, Dec. 22, 1942(c)*******
Judge Ito: Mr. Cheatham, I must warn you I am inclined to grant the injunction against your client's planned labor action on the grounds that they are public safety employees. Do you have an answer for that?
I. Dunn. Cheatham, Esq., counsel for the Pacific Pilots Assn. Local Number 221: <looks at notes, pauses> Yes...your Honor, we feel it is....well...not fair.
Judge Ito: Not fair? Is that the best you've got, Mr. Cheatham?
I. Dunn. Cheatham, Esq., counsel for the Pacific Pilots Assn. Local Number 221: One moment your Honor <leans toward a young man in fine linen slacks sitting next to him who begins to whisper in his ear..counsel nods then begins to speak> Your Honor, we object to the classification of our members as public safety employees. To begin, they are bomber pilots and crews.
Judge Ito: Agreed, go on.
I. Dunn. Cheatham, Esq., counsel for the Pacific Pilots Assn. Local Number 221: Secondly, as a consequence, many more people are likely to be injured or killed WHEN they are working than during a work stoppage. On this grounds, then, they cannot be reasonably be classified as public safety workers.
Judge Ito: hmmm....that's is quite good. It really is....

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RE: Hearts and Minds
Just need a bit more filler to get to 1/4 million hits.
Who would have thought there are two players named Gasol in the NBA? What are the odds of that?
Anyway, the amphibious death star should be just passing Horn Is about now by hugging the coast of Oz behind the reef. We are not going to make a Christmas landing after the business of following around the minke whales for a day and a half. I am surprised that LYB air has not made a try at them yet. Port Moresby is pretty well beat up but Madang is still a possibility. I gave up the idea of a diversionary landing on New Guinea because nobody is going to be fooled.
Landing a Koumac on New Scotland in about 3 days. We have no carrier cover but JJ seems not to be putting up much of a fight, just subs and 2nd line support troops.
Who would have thought there are two players named Gasol in the NBA? What are the odds of that?
Anyway, the amphibious death star should be just passing Horn Is about now by hugging the coast of Oz behind the reef. We are not going to make a Christmas landing after the business of following around the minke whales for a day and a half. I am surprised that LYB air has not made a try at them yet. Port Moresby is pretty well beat up but Madang is still a possibility. I gave up the idea of a diversionary landing on New Guinea because nobody is going to be fooled.
Landing a Koumac on New Scotland in about 3 days. We have no carrier cover but JJ seems not to be putting up much of a fight, just subs and 2nd line support troops.

RE: Hearts and Minds
Judge Ito - isn't that a Japanese name? Another M&M contract maybe? Or was he assigned the circuit court after OJ got off?
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