Game pack figuring Close Combats

Greywolf2001ca · Post by **Greywolf2001ca** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:09 am

I would love to see a game pack featuring all close combat.

I don't really care how much it would cost me, but I would buy it since those game are so great!

Maybe not all the close combat, just the first three and any expansions that might have come out as well as the best scenarios and maps that have been made after the game release as a bonus for buying this close combat gold pack.

The platinum pack could be all close combat games with even more new maps and scenarios not to mention maybe new campaigns.

I just wanted to say this because I cannot find any close combat games anymore, and I would love to get my hands on the first three and later the others. Although I wouldn't mind to buy a platinum pack containing all and everyone of them plus extra material.

What you guys think?

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 2:09 am

I voted yes tentatively.

I have not played them before, but I have heard the fan base, and think they might have merit.

The fact that they might not all be XP friendly though, is a concern that might limit my being able to justify a purchase.

That and the soon to be released Close Assault might potentially make it like buying a collected Steel Panthers on the eve of seeing Combat Leader released.

I had CC3 demo the other day refuse to run for me on XP. I have not got around to checking it on my more recent 98 SE secondary OS install.

98 SE though, has a welcome that has a definite shelf life with me. Once I replace Steel Panthers (other than SPWaW) with Combat Leader Modern, and buy a new scanner, as well as acquire a copy of Century of Warfare, I might well see my never employing 98 again.

Veldor · Post by **Veldor** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:09 am

There is already a package out there that has the first 3 Close Combats (Try Ebay)... If you look closely you'll see that CC4 & CC5 had different publishers than the first 3, thus you'll probably never see a pack that includes them all. Any mods and scenarios for the most part were done by 3rd parties so there again, not going to happen.

I have successfully loaded CC3, CC4, and CC5 on Windows XP without any additional effort. You don't really need the others if you have those 3.

As far as RTS "wargames" go they are the closest to turn-based style you can get while still having the RTS "feel".

Perhaps why the series is still so popular..

I'd much rather see a CC6 though. (Anyone tried G.I. Combat??)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... egory=3606

Fallschirmjager · Post by **Fallschirmjager** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 8:47 am

CC2 in far an away the best....I actually lost a few battles in that one...

And stay far...far away G.I. Combat

Veldor · Post by **Veldor** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 9:18 am

Originally posted by Fallschirmjager
CC2 in far an away the best....I actually lost a few battles in that one...

And stay far...far away G.I. Combat

Yes it seems almost unanimous that that game(G.I. Combat) is the absolute worst. I have to say, I am VERY VERY disappointed in Strategy First as a company and it is very unlikely I will ever buy a game of theirs unless its nearly unanimously loved...

After all they put out:

1. World War II Online
2. G.I. Combat
3. Sudden Strike

The first two seem to be about as horrid as you can get, and while the third is debateable amongst some It seems to me the common element amongst all games is an absolutely unforgiveably bad "interface"... Gameplay is irrelevant if the interface sucks. After all G.I Combat is exactly Close Combat, just 3D, yet everyone seems to hate it. And not because 3D doesnt work, simply because its impossible to know whats going on, manuever, and so on due to awful controls.

Well they did put out EU but still... Step it up a notch guys please...

Fred98 · Post by **Fred98** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 9:54 am

I have al 5 Close Combatrs already.

The first 3 were published by Microsoft and the last 2 by SSI. Therefore I doubt you could ever get all 5 in one package.

Anyhow, it would need to include the patches.

Von Rom · Post by **Von Rom** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 12:32 pm

The first two CCs are available free at the underdogs. . .

Marc von Martial · Post by **Marc von Martial** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:29 pm

The fact that they might not all be XP friendly though, is a concern that might limit my being able to justify a purchase.

They run all nicely on XP, even CC1 (with a small trick to get around the installer check for the OS).

Marc von Martial · Post by **Marc von Martial** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 3:31 pm

Guys, check the GIC patches, latest is 1.04 it makes the game much better to play. You´ll also want to install the"three mod" which even enhances gameplay.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:02 pm

A, Thanks for the Underdogs alert Marc, plus B. thanks for the XP alert.

I might not have used up all the variables trying the CC3 demo I had.

Greywolf2001ca · Post by **Greywolf2001ca** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:05 am

Originally posted by Veldor
Yes it seems almost unanimous that that game(G.I. Combat) is the absolute worst. I have to say, I am VERY VERY disappointed in Strategy First as a company and it is very unlikely I will ever buy a game of theirs unless its nearly unanimously loved...

After all they put out:

1. World War II Online
2. G.I. Combat
3. Sudden Strike

The first two seem to be about as horrid as you can get, and while the third is debateable amongst some It seems to me the common element amongst all games is an absolutely unforgiveably bad "interface"... Gameplay is irrelevant if the interface sucks. After all G.I Combat is exactly Close Combat, just 3D, yet everyone seems to hate it. And not because 3D doesnt work, simply because its impossible to know whats going on, manuever, and so on due to awful controls.

Well they did put out EU but still... Step it up a notch guys please...

To correct that, they should have made the game like Panzer General 3 for the 3d purpose. It's almost isometric, except that you can rotate the screen to see what's behind this or that unit. In the case of this game behind buildings too.

Greywolf2001ca · Post by **Greywolf2001ca** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:14 am

The question wasn't "If" it is possible to have all CC games in one package, but if you would like to see it happening.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:39 am

Well I now have CC2, and I would like to see the others.

Of course if CA comes out, I might just settle for it, if it looks as good.

I can't expect to get a copy of every older wargame that gets past me.

Fred98 · Post by **Fred98** » Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:00 am

Les,

Suggest that you start by playing a single battle – try Veghel bridge and play as the allies.

Von Rom · Post by **Von Rom** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:06 am

For those who are interested, the first two Close Combats are at the underdogs, plus other wargames:

http://www.the-underdogs.org/

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:23 am

Tried to get CC1 (I have CC2).

Found that the download goes smooth and fine, right till you go to run the game and get "insert cd rom".

Sometimes people there is no free lunch even at Underdogs.

Tombstone · Post by **Tombstone** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 12:52 pm

CC2 is the only one really worth making the effort for today. The other, were cool at the time but had enough problems not to make them worth it now. Russian Front, Battle of the Bulge and Normandy were interesting because of the improvements to their campaign system. Unfortunately it was just too easy to tool the AI. G.I. Combat is a total disappointment considering that those guys seemed to be onto something interesting and cool with the real-time wargaming experience.

BTW, I loved WW2Online... just not enough to keep playing it. Some of my best gaming experiences EVER were in a A13 cruiser with several of my friends trying to do something coordinated.

Tomo

Raindog101 · Post by **Raindog101** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 1:19 pm

Originally posted by Tombstone
CC2 is the only one really worth making the effort for today. The other, were cool at the time but had enough problems not to make them worth it now. Russian Front, Battle of the Bulge and Normandy were interesting because of the improvements to their campaign system. Unfortunately it was just too easy to tool the AI. G.I. Combat is a total disappointment considering that those guys seemed to be onto something interesting and cool with the real-time wargaming experience.

BTW, I loved WW2Online... just not enough to keep playing it. Some of my best gaming experiences EVER were in a A13 cruiser with several of my friends trying to do something coordinated.

Tomo

What is wrong with GI Combat? I really wanted this game but have not heard one good thing about it. In fact I heard it was now a $10 bargin bin special at Best Buy.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 7:38 pm

Well it might not be so much what is wrong with a game sometimes, as much as what is right with others.

The market is a few table scraps worth of "good" computer games, and oodles of designs people eagerly tell each other are great, when they are really both A. not unique, and B. not really genuinely special.

I have seen a lot of computer games, and to be fair, a lot of them are turn based also, and even shockingly enough, some board games as well, that while "adequate" were not meriting a lot of faunig over.

I have seen more games in the past, that had the look, but could not deliver the goods when it came to play them, than I have seen that both had the look of a good game, and were in fact great when it came time to play them.

Assuming GI Combat does actually work after it is patched up finally (some say 1.04 fixes a few things), will it be worth the effort to care?

GI Combat for what it's worth, is just someone's copy of the same environment yet again. It is not unique enough.
It will only appeal to someone that can't get a copy of "the other game".

A while back I was searching for a tank sim. Tried Panzer Elite. It has a horrible reputation for being buggy as hell in it's original release. But so far it has been the nicest looking of the designs I have seen.
Doesn't really matter a hill of beans though eh. Odds are I won't be finding a copy of it any time soon.
I have a copy of Panzer Commander. Was in a store (an EB in Toronto area) and had remarked to a sales person that it sucked how there was no titles on the shelf for my sort of wargamer. None save a copy of Panzer Elite Special. And I remarked that it was a game with a bad reputation as far as software went. So I was hesitant to invest my paltry few dollars at that time.
The girl reached down into a closet behind the counter and plopped a retail copy of Panzer Commander into the bag with my son's modest playstation game purchase.
I was taken aback till she made it clear enough she was dumping it on me free (I guess it was a return that was going no where).
The game runs fun (even runs on XP in spite of being a tad dated now). Visually it is a decent game. Not quite Panzer Elite.

But the point is, I now have a respectable WW2 tank sim game.
I can't imagine anyone selling me another tank sim game now, unless the software in truely extraordinary. And odds are the level of improvement I would require would exceed my machine's capacity to run it.

There was a time during the 70's when everyone and their aunt was releasing board games. It didn't last. Eventually the bubble burst and companies dropped away like flies.

I think if computer wargame designers don't start trying to seriously do something more interesting than make WW2 RTS games, eventually they will all find themselves in the same spot.

As it stands, I think WW2 RTS as a notion is as done as dinner. Adding fancier graphics won't always be enough.
I think the turn based market for WW2 might be at saturation level as well.
I think the FPS experience has absolutely gone the full route as well.

Some how, some way, I want to see something other than more turn based, RTS, tank sims or FPS games done in the same old WW2 settings now.

Marc von Martial · Post by **Marc von Martial** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:12 pm

Les, what exactly is "the other game" and have you actually played GI Combat to say it´s "not unique enough" ?