Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel

[adsoul64]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
There are analyses on the open forum by Alfred, and in AARs by Nemo, which show very clearly how your contention is incorrect. PH knows what he's doing. Do some research, OK?

What's that? I haven't found any open forum, could you please post the link? Many thanks

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: adsoul64

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
There are analyses on the open forum by Alfred, and in AARs by Nemo, which show very clearly how your contention is incorrect. PH knows what he's doing. Do some research, OK?

What's that? I haven't found any open forum, could you please post the link? Many thanks

He calculates how much point Japan can get when it bombs the West Coast strategically.
I think he is wrong, because his whole explanations doesn't take the opponent into consideration.
He tells how many industry is in Zero-range of the base at Prince Rupert(?) or whatever the name of the base on the northern tip of the big canadian island off Seattle is.

He forgets that his base starts undeveloped and can be pounded day by day with 4es. Also, SLOC for the Allies are almost non existant, as they have a huge shipyard virtually everywhere. So while they can save alsmost every ship, the Japs will loose ships in huge numbers.

I'd love to see Alfred try this against me.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

But he uses a bigger letters! That should be worth something, no? [;)]

My eyes ain't so good anymore. I wish everybody used bigger letters.

One easy way is this: to make all the text on a web page larger, press Control + (the control key and the plus key at the same time). Each time you do that makes it one size larger. Control - (minus key) makes it one size smaller. Control 0 (zero) goes back to the normal size. Notice that all three of the keys (+ - 0) are next to each other.

[Hortlund]

Never underestimate the psychology involved in all types of warfare.

A war, campaign or battle is decided in the combatants heads more than it is on the field of battle. There is a reason why bayonets were rarely ever used in battle (with a few notable exceptions of cource).

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: adsoul64

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
There are analyses on the open forum by Alfred, and in AARs by Nemo, which show very clearly how your contention is incorrect. PH knows what he's doing. Do some research, OK?

What's that? I haven't found any open forum, could you please post the link? Many thanks

This is not from the open forum, but from the AAR of CR's game versus Q-Ball. Read it, or not, with that proviso. Alfred and others discuss many things besides the West Coast. Note that the situation there and in this game might vary based on the in-game date in each assumption.

tm.asp?m=2518166&mpage=10&key=west%2Ccoast

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[adsoul64]

Basically, I agree with you

[modrow]

Historiker,

ORIGINAL: Historiker
He calculates how much point Japan can get when it bombs the West Coast strategically.
I think he is wrong, because his whole explanations doesn't take the opponent into consideration.
He tells how many industry is in Zero-range of the base at Prince Rupert(?) or whatever the name of the base on the northern tip of the big canadian island off Seattle is.

He forgets that his base starts undeveloped and can be pounded day by day with 4es. Also, SLOC for the Allies are almost non existant, as they have a huge shipyard virtually everywhere. So while they can save alsmost every ship, the Japs will loose ships in huge numbers.

I'd love to see Alfred try this against me.

Wasn't the context the hypothesis "there is nothing to be found for a Japanese player up there" ? I think he showed that there is something to be found if you look correctly.

The question you raise is whether what can be found can be gained if the Allied respond appropriately. If I may say so, the reaction you propose does no longer sound like "ignoring the move" to me.

A second aspect to think about may be if the mere threat is suited to tie assets in place that could be put to good/better use elsewhere.

Personally, I don't think the answer is as easy as you make it sound. And, btw - based on my assessment of Alfred (which may be as wrong as every single one of my opinions), I assume you would not want him to try it against you. Really.

Just my 2cts.

Hartwig

[Historiker]

While you are right that this might have been a response to "there's nothing up there to gain", I still want to see him doing this with me.

[modrow]

Historiker,

ORIGINAL: Historiker

While you are right that this might have been a response to "there's nothing up there to gain", I still want to see him doing this with me.

Me too.

Hartwig

[modrow]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Never underestimate the psychology involved in all types of warfare.

A war, campaign or battle is decided in the combatants heads more than it is on the field of battle. There is a reason why bayonets were rarely ever used in battle (with a few notable exceptions of cource).

OODA. Which makes this thread just as interesting as out of the box thinking applied IMHO

Hartwig

[Hortlund]

As suspected, the counterstrike fell...but hit nothing. One thing surprises me though, he keeps his carriers in three TFs. Apparently all the USN CVs are in the NEI now.

He lost 10-15 fighters from his carrier airwings as leaking CAP from his carriers tangled with my Zero sweeps from Ambon. That is a really good trade for me, he can trade his CV aircraft for my land-based Zeros any day of the week.

I am a bit dissapointed that my Bettys at Ambon did not fly. His CVs are 10 hexes from Ambon and there were plenty of Zeros on escort aswell.

[Hortlund]

I was actually toying with the idea to send CVE Hosho on a suicide mission alone, loaded with 12 Vals and 9 Zeros.

I think his CVs will retreat tomorrow. I want them to retreat west, away from the northpac. I have set the Betty/Zero range at Ambon to 14, in two units, one at 2k and one at 8k. The Bettys are escorted by two separate Zero wings with escort altitudes 2/8 aswell. I think these units have a pretty good chance to penetrate the CV CAP. My intel reports that he lost 10-15 of his Wildcats/Buffalos, meaning that his CV CAP is probably in very bad shape right now. If he retreats east, I will probably be able to launch against him, even if he hugs the Australian coast. But my idea was to send the Hosho on a speed run south-east. From there she would be able to launch against a coast-hugging CVTF. Yes, she would probably be sunk by the CV airunits, but perhaps the CVE could trigger a react-move north (into Betty range), and most likely she would be able to launch her Vals.

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

OODA. Which makes this thread just as interesting as out of the box thinking applied IMHO

Hartwig

I miss Nemo. I hope he will come back to these forums.

[Hortlund]

By the way (cant check right now) does anyone know roughly what sort of forces start in Canada?

[SqzMyLemon]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

I am a bit dissapointed that my Bettys at Ambon did not fly. His CVs are 10 hexes from Ambon and there were plenty of Zeros on escort aswell.

Was weather a factor?

I've found the Betty threat isn't as effective as a lot of Allied players suggest, especially when you have trouble getting them to react and in the air. Besides the obvious suggestions of HQ, air unit leadership of high inspiration, air and aggression skills for your Betty units, how crowded is Ambon at the moment? I've found if you limit a level 4 airbase to just one Betty and Zero unit they tend to fly much more often than if the airbase is near stacking capacity with other units. My other PBEM opponent and I have come to this conclusion after experiencing many times Allied shipping within range of Betty's, but the bombers never flying on a naval strike mission. Once we restricted a base to just Zero's and Betty's/Nell's we found they were launching more often. I can't explain it, but it worked for us and the number of sorties increased.

[Cribtop]

In my experience, a Netty launch up to about 10 hexes occurs fairly regularly. 10-14 hexes is pretty iffy. I think the strike doesn't have enough time to tool around trying to find the spotted TF at those ranges as you often get "9 Bettys can't locate target due to range or weather" messages even in clear skies conditions.

[ChezDaJez]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

At this time of year, things are getting very brisk up there. Very shortly you will not be able to operate aircraft carriers because everything (and I do mean everything) will be covered in sheets of ice.

IRL, yes. In game, the winter effects are pretty mild if you keep your speed down. And the early IJ landing bonus ignores the winter effect.

PErsonally, not sure of this campaign; but I am watching with interest. I do see some posiblities I hadn't thought of before, but still not sure they work out. Great to watch though.

Aleutian weather is quite misunderstood. I spent 2 years stationed on Adak and a couple of deployments and detachments there so I think I have some experience there.

In reality, there are more clear days in winter than in summer. Temperature seldoms drops below 20F at night and tends to hover between 32 and 40F in the day. Snowfall tends to be relatively light, no more than a couple of inches at a time usually but blowing snow can be an issue. Its not uncommon to have a bright sunny day yet be in a whiteout due to blowing snow. Wind is always a problem with a calm day being about 20kts. Windchill can really put a "chill" on things. Pity the poor mechanic who has to work outside on an engine 10 feet off the ground.

Water is far more an issue than ice as the airfiled drainage tends to be poor due to the airfield at Adak being built on part of the lagoon. Ice typically comes and goes rather quickly. I can't tell you how many times the base police made us chain up to drive the half mile to work and then you had to take the chains off in the afternoon because everything melted. It was easier to walk.

Williwaws with winds over 100kts are fairly common during the fall and spring months.

Fog is the main problem in summer and is very prevalent. When there is no fog then you have the omnipresent overcast at about 2-3000ft. Navigation is a bear as many a crashed aircraft in the Aleutians will attest to. Temperatures tend to average in the mid 50s in summer.

Anyways, my two cents worth.

Chez

[geofflambert]

Excuse me

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: geofflambert



My eyes ain't so good anymore. I wish everybody used bigger letters.

One easy way is this: to make all the text on a web page larger, press Control + (the control key and the plus key at the same time). Each time you do that makes it one size larger. Control - (minus key) makes it one size smaller. Control 0 (zero) goes back to the normal size. Notice that all three of the keys (+ - 0) are next to each other.

Son of a B witpqs! I bet you work for the Geek Squad. I bet you eat White Castles for lunch. Now be honest!

[:D] Only had White Castle once, and that was just to try them. Started working with computers in the mid 1970s although they only had a GUI (gooey) if you spilled coffee with cream and sugar on one!

[geofflambert]

Pardon me