Gorn to be wild. vontiger(J) vs geofflambert(A) rematch

[geofflambert]

12/10/41 The enemy has reached the shore opposite Hong Kong. We believe they're asking for our surrender, but we no speakee Japanese.


Managing all the ships trying to escape to safe harbor is like herding cats. If I don't give them waypoints and order them to proceed directly they pick the most peculiar courses. They also retreat even when I order absolute threat tolerance.

[geofflambert]

We've tentatively settled on a house rule of no 4E bombing below 10k feet before '43 (some B-17s attacked some of his troop ships at 1k feet, without result).  He suggested that for throughout the war, but I cited the second raid on Ploesti as an example of it actually happening.  If anyone thinks I'm being unfair, please chime in.  I've attached an article about a demonstration in '38 that B-17s could intercept ships at sea.  The cloud deck was at 1,100 feet so they flew under it.  Thanks for your comments.[:)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_of_the_Rex

[vontiger]

12/10/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked 83,51- 208 IJA to 6403 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 84,55- 489 IJA to 1609 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked Hong Kong- 1728 IJA to 324 Allied, Allies held
Attacked Pakhoi- 227 IJN to 174 Chinese, Chinese Held

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings-
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Manila- 1 P26A
Sweep Singapore- 6 Buffalo I
Naval Bombing near Cam Ranh Bay- AK Bennevis Sunk 4 torp hit, DD Thanet Sunk 1 torp, AK Hinsang Heavy Dam 1 torp
Naval Bombing near Singapore- BB Prince of Wales (reported sunk)1 bomb hit Heavy Damage Reported Sunk again

Navy
Amphibious Legaspi
Amphibious Miri
Amphibious Pakhoi
Naval battle 94,87- AKL Kanlaon II 17 Shell sunk, AKL Latouche 4 shell sunk
Naval battle 86,84- AVD Childs 5 Shell heavy damage
Naval battle 85,83- AM Quail 9 Shell sunk, AP Neptuna 8 Shell+3 torp Sunk

Sub
SS I-154 attacks AKL Shinai 2 Shell 2 torp hit, heavy Dam
Previous report SS Searaven sunk is incorrect

[vontiger]

12/11/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked 90,56- 403 IJA to 1586 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked Hong Kong- 557 IJA to 359 Allied, Allies held
Captured Legaspi
Captured Miri- 10 IJA to 50 British, British retreated
Captured Naga

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bomb Manila- 1 P26A, 4 P35A, 1 Nell
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing 98,81- AM Bittern 2 torp sunk, AP Rochambeau
Naval Bombing 101, 82- AS Holland 2 torp heavy damage
Naval Bombing Bacolod- AKL Bisayas 4 Bomb heavy damage
Naval Bombing near Cam Ranh Bay- D scout 1 torp sunk, AKL Chengtu 2 torps sunk
Naval Bombing near Guiuan- AS Otus 3 bomb hits heavy damage (already damaged from mine)
Naval Bombing 160,130- AMC Hokoku maru 6 bomb hits heavy damage, AMC Aikoku Maru 5 bomb hits heavy damage
Naval Bombinb Singapore- AM Toowoomba 1 torp heavy damage

Navy
Amphibious Guam
Amphibious Hollandia
Amphibious Kavieng
Amphibious Manus
Amphibious Mersing
Amphibious Wewak
Task force comprising- CA Maya 1 shell(Pope), CA Ashigara, CL Kuma, DD Asakaze 1 shell (Pope), DD Matsukaze Engaged the following- DD Pope 2 Shell+3 Torp sunk, TK Mindanao 9 shell+1 torp sunk, AK Capillo 5 torp sunk, AK Tantalus 30 shell sunk, AM finch 3 shell sunk, AP President Madison 15 shell+ 2 torp sunk, PG asheville 12 shell sunk, AK Ethel Edwards 13 Shell heavy damage. During one of these battles CA Maya ran into CL Kuma damage was light (total tonnage sunk- 26285)
Naval battle near Jolo- AKL Princess of Negros 23 shell sunk
Naval battle near Taytay- AKL Corregidor 23 Shell Sunk

Sub
SS KXII attacks CL Kashii 1 torp hit, 2 ASW hits on KXII (suspect KXI+KXIII in wolf pack as they were ASW but no hits)

[vontiger]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

We've tentatively settled on a house rule of no 4E bombing below 10k feet before '43 (some B-17s attacked some of his troop ships at 1k feet, without result).  He suggested that for throughout the war, but I cited the second raid on Ploesti as an example of it actually happening.  If anyone thinks I'm being unfair, please chime in.  I've attached an article about a demonstration in '38 that B-17s could intercept ships at sea.  The cloud deck was at 1,100 feet so they flew under it.  Thanks for your comments.[:)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_of_the_Rex

Agreed rule no low level bombing of 4E before 1 July 1943- I still don't believe that a fully laden B17 or B24 would attack any ships at 1000ft. They would be slow and an easy target for any AA gun on a ship. The intercept in the article I suspect was done by B17s with no loaded bombs... it also needs to be remembered that the Rex was on its own rather then in a fleet/convoy and it was an intercept not an actual bombing. I hope the amount of 4E bombers getting shot down is high when this low level naval bombing begins, but I suspect the game engine wont work correclty.

[geofflambert]

The house rule vontiger refers to may just become indefinite, as it seems to make him more unhappy than it pleases me. Perhaps he's just jealous because he doesn't have any 4Es?

Many of my ships retiring from Manila are engaging IJN CAs etc. They are valiantly trying to force them to run out of ammunition, and I think they've nearly defeated the cowardly Japanese cruisers.

Something unusual has just happened. The Lexington was patrolling about halfway between Palmyra and Canton Island when ...





Two Japanese surface raiders, Hokoku Maru and Aikoku Maru, arrived heading SE directly toward Lexington. Oops!

[geofflambert]

12/15/41 My attempts to salvage ships from Manilla and Hong Kong have fared considerably worse than the first time I engaged vontiger. The lesson appears to be don't try to get cute, just order everything to speed south as fast as possible. I have reports from Sigint telling me that there's a severe shortage of nitrocellulose in Japan right now, so perhaps those ships have procured for me an advantage.

[vontiger]

12/12/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked 89,40- 212 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 90,49- 18 IJA to 604 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 91,39- 12 IJA to 920 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Captured Alor Star- 520 British Surrendered, 4 Blenheim I
Captured Atimonan
Captured Bayombong
Captured Guam- 12 IJA to 384 Americans Surrendered
Captured Hollandia
Bombardment Hong Kong- 77 Allies
Attacked Hwaiyin- 10 Chinese, Chinese Held
Captured Kavieng- 32 IJN to 50 Australians
Captured Manus
Attacked Mersing- 71 IJA to 116 Australians, Australians Held
Attacked Pakhoi- 97 IJN to 110 Chinese, Chinese Held
Captured Wewak

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings- 129 Chinese 89,56
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Manila- 1 P26A, 4 P35A
Bomb Manila- 2 047A Dam, 3 B17D Dam, PTQ111,112,113+PY31,32,33,34,35,41 Sunk. AKL Anakan heavy damage
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing 67,97- DD John D. Ford 2 bomb Heavy fire/Dam
Naval Bombing 58,79- AK Hai Lee 3 torp sunk, AKL Halldor 2 torp sunk, AKL Soochow 3 torp sunk
Naval Bombing 101,85- AS Holland 5 bomb sunk
Naval Bombing 46,68- AKL Agnes 1 bomb

Navy
Amphibious Jolo
Amphibious Taytay
Task force comprising- CA Kinugasa 1 shell(DD Peary), CA Aoba, CA Furutaka, CA Kako 2 shell(DD Peary+AM Tanager) , DD Oboro , DD Uzuki, DD Kikuzuki, DD Yuzuki Engaged the following- DD Peary 3 Shell Heavy Dam/fires AO Pecos, AO Trinity 1 torp sunk, AM Tanager 1 Shell sunk, PG Tulsa 3 Shell Sunk, AK Si Kiang 24 Shell sunk, AV Langley 1 torp sunk
Naval battle near Dinagat- AKL Don Jose 24 shell sunk
Naval battle near Taytay- AKL Corregidor 23 Shell Sunk
Naval battle near San Jose- AKL Compagnia Filipinas 31 Shell sunk

Sub
SS KXIII attacks fleet Mersing, torps miss, ASW 5 hits, KXIV 2 hits, SS KXI 1 hit
SS KXII attacks AK Meisho Maru 4 Shell, 3 torps sunk
SS KXIII attacks AK Mikasa Maru 1 torp
SS KXI Attacks AP Hakusan maru 3 torp heavy dam, AK Eihuku Maru 1 torp Heavy dam
SS I-18 Attacks AK Tuscaloosa City 1 Shell, 1 torp heavy dam

[vontiger]

12/13/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked at 84,55- 2279 IJA to 162 Chinese, IJA retreated- I knew I was outnumbered but I thought my troops would have put up a better fight
Attacked 88,46- 34 IJA to 1097 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Bombardment Hong Kong- 55 Allies
Captured Hwaiyin- 173 Chinese
Captured Jolo
Captured Kweiteh
Captured Lucena
Captured Mersing- 28 IJA to 805 Australians
Captured Pakhoi- 47 IJN to 1049 Chinese
Captured Taytay
Captured Victoria Point- 143 British

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Manila- 1 P26A, 1 P35A
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing near Saipan- AKL Escalante R 3 BombH eavy dam/fire, AKL Elcano 2 Bomb sunk, AKL Sarangami 2 bomb/1 torp sunk, AK Governor Wright 2 bomb Heavy dam/fire, AK Ravanaas 3 bomb/2 torp sunk

Navy
Amphibious Dadjangas
Naval Battle near Busuanga- AKL Paz 4 shell sunk
Naval Battle near Cam Ranh Bay- AK Hinsang 6 shell/1 torp sunk

Sub
SS I-153 attacks AK Nanning misses

[vontiger]

12/14/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked at 88,46- 348 Chinese
Attacked Hong Kong- 189 IJA to 292 Allies, Allies held
Captured Dadjangas

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings- 126 Chinese 89,56
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Sweep Manila- 1 P26A, 2 P35A, 1 B10B dam, O47A 1 dam+ 1 des, 2 B17D dam, SS Sealion 3 bomb, SS Searaven 4 bomb, SS Seawolf 1 bomb
Bomb Manila-
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing near Guam- AKL Tauraus 1 bomb fire

Navy
Amphibious Kudat
Amphibious Talasea
Naval Battle near Serasan- DD Fubuki 1 shell, DD shirayuki 2 shell to DD Thracian 15 Shell sunk, AKL Kanchow 22 shell sunk, AK Ming Sang 49 shell sunk

Sub
SS I-171 attacks CL Raleigh misses

[geofflambert]

12/15/41 What did I tell you about the nitrocellulose shortage in Japan? Yesterday one of my more powerful warships single handedly scared off a Japanes BB TF! They must have been out of ammo. I would have hunted them down, but I was low on fuel.





Oh Donner und Blitzen, it's probably better if you don't announce when your own ships sink, on the chance that I don't know for sure.

[Crackaces]

I believe this behavior might be explained by the single ship TF encouter "bug".. I have read it is a reason that many find single ship TF's screening bigger TF's as gamey ... and require at least 2 ships in a TF ...

[geofflambert]

Thanks, I was thinking it was because of her girl's name, those Japanese really don't like strong women.

[geofflambert]

I believe I know where the IJN CVs are, but thunderstorms cloak him, as might be expected from Raijin, the god of thunder and lightening. I call upon Fujin, the god of wind, to blow away these storms and reveal to me my prey.

[geofflambert]

12/16/41 Slow day, not much to report, but I believe Raijin has once again used paratroopers against me, this time to block retreating Brits heading for Singapore. This kind of behavior is really starting to p*** me off. Isn't this against the rules or something?

vontiger, is it possible that the Kongo/Haruna TF was still tasked with a bombardment mission when it encountered my Super Battleship/Battlecruiser DeathStar Joan Moller? Normally I believe, TFs with a bombardment mission revert to Surface Combat Mission after their bombardment mission is complete, but if in this case it was otherwise, this might explain the peculiar behavior, aside from the "bug" Crackaces cited.

By now you may not be able to ascertain that info, but perhaps you took note of it at the time.

Ignore that first bit about the paratroopers, he took a major road from Mersing. My eyes aren't that bad, don't know why I didn't see it.

[vontiger]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

12/16/41 Slow day, not much to report, but I believe Raijin has once again used paratroopers against me, this time to block retreating Brits heading for Singapore. This kind of behavior is really starting to p*** me off. Isn't this against the rules or something?

vontiger, is it possible that the Kongo/Haruna TF was still tasked with a bombardment mission when it encountered my Super Battleship/Battlecruiser DeathStar Joan Moller? Normally I believe, TFs with a bombardment mission revert to Surface Combat Mission after their bombardment mission is complete, but if in this case it was otherwise, this might explain the peculiar behavior, aside from the "bug" Crackaces cited.

By now you may not be able to ascertain that info, but perhaps you took note of it at the time.

Paratroopers are not in Malaya and I am being careful how I use them in the Philippines. Except for the drop on top of a unit I have not cut any of your forces off!!

No I checked it was surface mission, they had ammo, I suspect the bug, it actually happened a day earlier but the same Japanese TF had a 2nd crack and attacked that time. Again it was 1 AK or AKL on its own.

[vontiger]

12/15/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land
Attacked 51,76- 109 IJA to 623 Allies, Allies retreated
Attacked 84,52- 262 IJA to 211 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 88,46- 69 IJA to 1385 Chinese, 51st Chinese Corp was destroyed
Bombardment Hong Kong- 58 Allies
Captured Kudat
Captured Mauban
Captured Nauru- 10 IJN to 89 Australian- Wren Det. Destroyed
Captured Talasea

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bomb Manila- SS Sealion 2 bomb, SS Searaven no longer in port, SS Seawolf 1 bomb
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing 92,91- AS Otus 7 bombs sunk
Naval Bombing near Woleai- DD Pilbury, AO Pecos 2 bomb heavy fire

Navy
Amphibious Nauru

Sub
SS I-7, SS I-170, SS I-162 fire torps all miss

[vontiger]

12/16/1941

Reported losses for this day are as follows:
Land- Not a bad day in China 159 IJA to 7714 Chinese (48 to 1)
Attacked 51,76- 120 British, British retreat
Attacked 81,73- 87 PA, PA retreated
Attacked 83,52- 59 IJA to 4046 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 84,52- 71 IJA to 854 Chinese, Chinese retreated
Attacked 88,46- 7 IJA to 1217 Chinese, 69th Corp destroyed
Attacked 89,56- 22 IJA to 1597 Chinese, Chinese retreating
Attacked Hong Kong- 409 IJA to 303 Allies, Allies held
Captured Batangas

Air
Regular Chinese ground bombings
Regular Malay ground/af bombings
Regular Filipino ground/af bombings
Bomb Manila- SS Seawolf 1 bomb, last listed sub
Sweep Singapore- Clear
Naval Bombing near Guam- AKL Tauraus 1 bomb fire
Naval bombing Rabual- AKL Pulganbar, AK Centaur 2 bomb heavy fires

Navy
Amphibious Singkawang

Sub
SS I-175 1 shell attacks AKL Regulus 21 shell heavy fire/dam
SS I-7 fires torp misses

[vontiger]

The last game I was going to show my air to air pilots after every 90 turns. I decided to do the first one at 10 and then go to every 50 after that.

So air to air combat except over Manila and only the P35/P26 its not been much, these planes have now been disbanded, shot out of the sky or both.

Seems all bombers/fighters have been pulled back this time and consolidated I suspect. Time will tell.

[geofflambert]

Guess I'll do the same.





Pathetic, isn't it.

Raijin is moving much faster and more urgently than in our first game, in all theaters.