War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A)

[Canoerebel]

1/6/42
 
NoPac:  Lots of signs indicate Steve is "all in" for NoPac, including 5th Fleet landing at Juneau.  Also, SigInt for support troops moving to places like Dutch Harbor and Adak.  He doesn't want me coming back, but far NoPac is really irrelevant in the game unless the Allies want to make it relevant, and I don't.  He can have it as long as it sucks up too much of his time, attention, and assets.  I also get the feeling that he's fallen behind schedule.  Every indication is that he's coming, but if he were to call it off for any reason, his next best shot would be Oz (or Hawaii, though I personally don't think the latter is worth the effort; Hawaii doesn't worry me; Oz would).
 
CenPac:  Two USN cruiser/destroyer TFs have penetrated very far, apparently without detection, though it's certainly possible they'll bump into an aroused Mini KB or island airforce.  One of the TFs is about two days from Babeldaob.  The other is NW of Kaeving and could hit ships there from the rear, but I want a deeper penetration that might strike the jackpot (or might fail spectacularly if said Mini KB pops up).
 
Eastern DEI:  Steve seems intent on landing in NW Oz, but he just landed engineers and base force at Bathhurst Island.  It will take him awhile to build up that airfield.  He could probably just waltz into Darwin or Broome without all that trouble.
 
Malaya:  It will be a few days - maybe as much as nearly a week - before Steve is in position to cross the causeway to lay siege to Singapore.  The longer the better.

[Blackhorse]

I agree that, ideally, there ought to be more bases on the West Coast. Even without them, the Allied player has enough in the tool box to make the Japanese regret landing.

For starters, there are the 4-6 divisions 'training up' on the West Coast (Corvallis, San Luis Obispo) that were eventually sent to ETO, plus the 7th Motorized Infantry and 2-3 division equivalents of infantry and cavalry regiments. All of that is available -- in addition to the forces on the West Coast that eventually were sent to the Pacific -- even if the Japanese never cross the "Line of Death".

And yes, the reinforcements that arrive if the LOD is triggered include the II Corps and other forces diverted from "Torch". In total, that's about a dozen extra full-strength, semi-trained divisions diverted away from the ETO to fend off the Japanese. In 1942, the US would be cannabalising a lot of other new units to bring a dozen divisions up to full combat strength, so that is not far off the mark of what the US could realistically deploy. The total force includes 3+ Armored Divisions, for which the the Japanese really have no counter, if the US can muster any type of air cover.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

If the Empire of Japan had been marching down the Pacific coast of Canada toward the US there would have been no "Europe First" strategy.

There would be no Torch landings. Most of the Atlantic Fleet would now be queued up to pass throught Panama Canal and by mid '42 Bozeman, Montana would be HQ of the 8th Air Force.[:)]

There also aren't enough bases and dot hexes. The absence of dot hexes in BC makes it easier to defend...especially the IJA.


Can someone explain to me if strat bombing alone triggers the LOD reinforcements?

[BBfanboy]

Which raises the question - do you have a HR that would require you to use PP to move US units into Canada?

[Crackaces]

The total force includes 3+ Armored Divisions, for which the the Japanese really have no counter,

Terrain and weather favor the defender .. try marching forces from the United States at 2mi per turn through all that rough terrain .. once the IJ get established it will take some doing to get them uprooted .. amphib landings .. amphib forces will not load restrcited forces ...how to supply overland up there?

I am not of the ilk that PjH is up to a major strategic attack of the US .. as I have said before Whitehorse X10, Skagway X25; Juneau X100; Sitka X5; Yakulatat X5; annette Island X5; Cordova X5; Anchorage X25; Witter X10;Seward X10; Kodak X5; Valdez X10 ...Fairbanks X10 ..

Now start looking at the multipliers like anchorage .. 9*3*25 .. 675 points ..Juneau 6 * 3 * 1000 1800 points ...

No where in the game are such dense points easily grabed and held until 43 ...

I contend that PjH has his eyes on a sudden victory ... and has thought about this little jewel for a long time ..

So the US can have six million AV ready to go and all the home rules in the world to let them march through Canada .. but nothing connects up there north of Prince Rupurt and keeping them supplied will be impossible ..it looks like to me Mid 43 and landing craft will have to free Alaska ..

If the IJ sonder South of Fort St John / Prince Rupert woe unto them .. but I doubt it .. there is gold in them hills [ports and airfield multipliers too ..]

[Grfin Zeppelin]

Ah finaly we are done with this camping stuff it seems

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Ah finaly we are done with this camping stuff it seems

men like to bond talking about camping ...some of us did it for a living in our youth ... [8D]

[Dan Nichols]

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Ah finaly we are done with this camping stuff it seems

I don't think he has even left yet. [>:]

[Canoerebel]

Indeed, we leave tomorrow.

If Steve came for West Coast. it would not be to conquer vast stretches of territory. Not only does the USA have alot of troops, he's short. He has four divisions on Luzon and another in Malaya.

So if he came (which I consider unlikely), I think he'd go for San Diego and LA and also engage in a vigorous strat bombing campaign.

But I think it much more likely his intent is/was to engage in a strat bombing campaign from Coal Harbor and Alliford Bay.

I do think he's having some misgivings. He's mentioned things in his emails, which could be maskirvoka, but this is made more likely by his sudden delays in returning turns. He went from being "all heated up' about doing turns as fast as possible to promising turns and then not sending them at all or a day late.

No more turns for awhile (I hope). See you guys later.

[Canoerebel]

Greetings!

We have temporarily emerged from the wilderness to shower, wash, sleep in beds, and visit the only metropolitan destination (San Francisco) of our trip. Today's itinerary includes driving over the Golden Gate Bridge and doing some things in downtown San Franciscso.

This is the first time in California for me, my wife, and our children. Oour first four nights have been in Death Valley (ouch!), Sequoia National Park (rattlesnake at one of our two campsites!), and Yosemite National Park (snow and rain!). Thus far we've spent eight nights in the tents and five in a hotel room.

It's Memorial Day Weekend, so we don't know what to expect tonight. We may look for a campsite near Muir Woods or Point Reyes National Seashore. From here we move on to a campsite near Lake Tahoe, then at Great Basin National Park, then Arches N.P., then Rocky Mountain National Park, and then we make the long haul home. ETA next weekend.

My opponent (PH) will see that I've logged in and may hope I'm back to resume the war.

By the way, since most American schools are just letting out for the summer, most of the tourists we've seen at our national parks have been from Germany, France, China and Japan.

Blessings to all the Forumites. See you guys and gal soon.

Canoe "The Rattlesnake didn't bother me" Rebel

[obvert]

Roadtrips and camping in the west are things I sorely miss in the UK. Nothing like it. Always amazing sites, some deprivation, and a few surprises. I'd still rather meet a rattler than a cottonmouth any day though.

Definitely don't miss getting into a redwoods forest. The most amazing woods you'll ever be in. The scale and majesty is unbelievable.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

Roadtrips and camping in the west are things I sorely miss in the UK. Nothing like it. Always amazing sites, some deprivation, and a few surprises. I'd still rattler meet a rattler than a cottonmouth any day though.

Definitely don't miss getting into a redwoods forest. The most amazing woods you'll ever be in. The scale and majesty is unbelievable.

After an evening relaxing by the fire, swapping lies with friends over a glass of wine or six, I always seem to be the cottonmouth one in the morning ...[8|]

[Grfin Zeppelin]

Welcome back [:)]

[Dan Nichols]

make sure you don't share your camp spot with one of these.

[desicat]

CR, Since this has turned into a bit of a travel log have you ever visited Stone Mountain? If so how about a quick briefing?

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Ah finaly we are done with this camping stuff it seems

men like to bond talking about camping ...some of us did it for a living in our youth ... [8D]

Not me. I was totally into scrapbooking...

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: desicat

CR, Since this has turned into a bit of a travel log have you ever visited Stone Mountain? If so how about a quick briefing?

Umm - aren't they all made of stone? What's special about this one?

[bradfordkay]

I am assuming that he is talking about Stone Mountain in Georgia - which is one of the largest monadnocks in the world. It's basically a huge rock (granite) sticking up out of the surrounding landscape - rather like Ayers Rock near Alice Springs, Australia. It lies very close to the city of Atlanta and so was turned into a state park - with a huge relief carving of Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee and Thomas J "Stonewall" Jackson riding their horses was cut into the side of the mountain.

[bradfordkay]

BTW, Dan... I am glad that you have had a chance to visit the left coast now. I am sure that you can see the attraction it holds for outdoorsy types such as you and me...

[vettim89]

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

make sure you don't share your camp spot with one of these.

Was talking to my daughter about how North America lacks the biodiversity of other continents, but we do have some nasty top-of-the-foodchain predators. Okay we don't have snakes that can kill you in three minutes or dinner plate sized spiders or three ton herbivores. We do have 1500 pound carnivores. YIKES!!!!! [X(]

[desicat]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I am assuming that he is talking about Stone Mountain in Georgia - which is one of the largest monadnocks in the world. It's basically a huge rock (granite) sticking up out of the surrounding landscape - rather like Ayers Rock near Alice Springs, Australia. It lies very close to the city of Atlanta and so was turned into a state park - with a huge relief carving of Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee and Thomas J "Stonewall" Jackson riding their horses was cut into the side of the mountain.

Exactly what I was referring to. If CR has been there I was curious for his take on the experience, him being a Reb and all.