41-45 GC AAR notenome (sov) vs 821Bobo (axis) no 821 past first page.

[Flaviusx]

The cavalry raid is worth doing even if it didn't quite cut him off, his logistics are a mess. Chasing those guys down is going to be a headache for him and the clock is ticking.

[notenome]

The logistics is and isn't a mess, Axis rail repair being what it is, I checked the rail heads and they are past Vyazma. Still, hopefully my mischief will lead to a turn of cleanup for the Axis. Hopefully that'll be enough. Hopefully.

[glvaca]

ORIGINAL: notenome

No final positions are coming now. I was asking if the level of detail on the counter attack was overkill, with every air bombardment and detailed casualty reports and such.

EDIT: The Slovakian/panzer stack was unviable. I studied it but wouldn't have been able to get forces with enough mps for a strong deliberate attack. Had it been logistically possible it would have been the best option, I agree

To answer your question, perhaps the bombings were overkill, but the rest of the detail was interesting to see as it brings your public closer to what's happening in the game.

[glvaca]

ORIGINAL: notenome

I may like to play it fast and loose, but not that much, still I've stripped SW, NW and N bare. He has no armour there to exploit so it's a slow 2 hex retreat all the way.

A few questions:

-With the winter starting to come up, should I start building anything? Sappers? Saving up APs? I need to burn APs to counterattack, so I haven't built up an AP piggy bank.
-I Need more Fronts! Really, when do I get the Caucus Front? Or at least the units. Its murder to see all those units frozen.
-Siberian infantry! I have 4, and I love them. I want to hug them. They hold the 3 main hexes on the direct path to Moscow. I want more. How many do I get?
-What should I do with those tank brigades? I'm just dispersing them around hoping they'll do something in reserve mode. But each has 6-8 tanks, so it seems just a tremendous waste.

Don't spend to much AP's on sorting out C&C at this time. With that I mean keep your fronts and Armies within limits for sure, but don't go re-assigning divs for each attack to avoid the penalty. It's counter productive.
Save AP's for spring 42 if you can, you'll need them for tank Corps, Rifle Corps and SU's and re-attachments.
1. You'll get N-Caucassus, Volkhov and Caucassus shortly. Also Moscow defense zone. You'll have plenty, but the demands will be even more. Spend wisely.
2. I think you get a total of 6 Siberian Divs.
3. What I like to do is stack them all close to Stavka HQ. Then, turn on refit for a dozen or so at a time until they fill up.
When they fill up, assign them to an Airborn HQ and assign a got Armor rating General. Then assign that Corps HQ to a Front. Keep those guys for the persuit if he falls back and stay in contact. Cav is better. Cav & Armor works best. There should be many opportunities to get the brigades involved in hasties. Work them up to as high morale and wins as possible. When you can form Corps, consolidate the highest morale units into a corps, having wins will help towards getting guard status with the Corps. If he spams you with regiments, 3 fresh brigs, can attack by themselves provided he's not strong, has suffered some bombing or the regiment has already retreated.

By the way, keep those Airborn brigs back and put them on refit when you can. They will increase their morale to 55+, combine those units into Guards divs. Guaranteed 4CV (sometimes 5) at full strength and a bit of training.

[notenome]

I'm well aware of the value of the ab brigs, but I'm using them as screens and don't have much of an option at the moment, I've stripped the non-moscow non-Rostov sectors to a thread of a threadbare force. Every time I think I can pull them out 821 launches 100 attacks on the Moscow Front and I have to reroute everything that way.

[glvaca]

I'm well aware that you need them now for those tasks. I was referring to the empty brigades arriving in a couple of turns.

[notenome]

Well my fears have come true, 821 has blown past Reserve Front. He hasn't encircled Moscow, but he's made the defense very tricky.

[Farfarer61]

Airborne quirks - sometimes I have only been able to do paradrops when the Transport base and the Paratrooper base were under the same Front command. I tried different command options and each time they weren't ( everything else unchanged) I could not do a para mission. Once the Parasa, nad all bases were under the same Front all worked fine.

[notenome]

A large part of Bryansk Front is encircled, but I think I can break it.

[notenome]

Lucky mud turn buys Rostov one more week. Hopefully ensuring the city's safety.

[notenome]

Losses and OOB. Time to plan for a hell for leather defense of Moscow.

[notenome]

How many mps does it cost for a brigade to make a deliberate attack over a minor river?

[TulliusDetritus]

1.9 million prisoners. He might end the Blitzkrieg with let's say 2.5 million (good numbers)... but still, the Red Army lost much more men and held Moscow and Leningrad [8D]

Perhaps the trick is about setting many big tables (or banquets) here and there -but especially along the way to Moscow and Leningrad- for the enemy cannibals to lose one turn here and another turn there [:D] And when I say big tables I mean it (by the millions)... [8|] So forget any sophistication, just lay the tables!

And the hysterical German lobby still dares to complain! LOL RELOL

[notenome]

It's the small victories that make it all worthwhile as the soviets. We open the Bryansk pocket with counterattacks from within and without. 4x air bombardments, 4x sucidal hasty attacks followed by the main assault. He'll reseal the pocket, but that's his last clear turn.

[notenome]

Here's STAVKA's Moscow Defensive Plan:

Defensive zone 1-yellow - a picket, taking advantage of the forts and not much else.

Defensive zone 2- green - stronger, infantry based defense, meant to protect from a deep isolating maneuver.

Defensive zone 3- red- tough as nails infantry stacks. 821 hasn't managed to break one of my doom stacks yet. I hope they don't fail me now.

We have to protect Moscow from isolation for one turn. That's it.

[Flaviusx]

I think you are placing too much of your strength in the wrong place here, Notenome, he very plainly isn't going for a frontal assault on Moscow.

[notenome]

Probably, but I have to protect against it regardless.

Here is the disposition atm. I can still change things somewhat so feel free to comment.

What I'm thinking is that the next turn is the last clear turn. Now if 821 pushes forward, he's so far from his railhead that he might end up isolating his entire panzer force. So either he encircles Moscow now or he has to pull back, no? Plus he has to fight his way to the motorized division and its pretty much all forested terrain. I don't know, this could be a catastrophe or the turning point.

[Flaviusx]

Never mind, once again, I am confused by your before and after screens. I keep thinking your planning screenies are your final dispositions.

I think what you've done here is pretty good. Just watch out for your flank down south, you do not have the Oka well covered.

[notenome]

I really need to start being clearer about these before turn things.

Here's our dispositions south of the Oka. A glorified checkerboard. But if the Axis have the mps to cross a major rive and exploit it, then the game is borked and I wouldn't be able to defend anyways.

[notenome]

Something I wanted to note, was that analyzing some of the combats north of Moscow, the axis were beginning with CV values about equal to the soviet divs but by the end those values nose dived to a fraction for the Sovs, it seems awfully strange. Is this bad generals?

Having my final CV value be divided by 20 is rather rough. And these are STAVKA units, with Zukhov in command. Baffles me.