Atomic Bombs and Bombers

[Hortlund]

I dont care who you are. I dont care what you have contributed to this game. I dont care what right you think you have to talk to people like this. This has got to stop.

That means you terminus. That means you JWE. This constant bullying of people on this forum is totally unacceptable.

It doesnt matter how angry you are. It doesnt matter how annoyed you are. It doesnt matter how much you think someone else is an idiot. You dont act like that towards other people.

This is a small community and a small forum. Lots of people here "know eachother", lots of people have a history, most people have a bunch of forum members they enjoy talking to, listen to and generally like. Most people also have a bunch of forum members they think are stupid/annoying/retarded.

I work in politics. I meet people I think are idiots every day. Most likely they think Im an idiot right back. There is professional courtecy, everyone is polite, especially towards the ones we think are braindead.

Your behavior is disgusting. There is nothing good in it, there is no class, no honor, nothing.

I dont know how many people you have driven from these forums because of how you act and what you say. I know that you dont care, that you think the forum is better off without them. But that is wrong. This forum needs different opinions to survive. We as forum members need and want the discource, the disagreements, the arguments.

Everyone gets angry from time to time, that is ok. Sometimes it might even be ok to call someone an idiot. But not all of the time, and not constantly against some posters that for some reason have gotten on your bad side.

Terminus, who the hell do you think you are? I suspect you have some issues in real life that is causing all this bitterness, and makes you filled with anger and frustration that you take out on people here. Get a life. Go into therapy or whatever. Just stop poisoning these forums like you have done for the past years.

JWE, Im expecting better of you. You are almost semi-official on this forum. Act like it.

[DD696]

ORIGINAL: JWE


[ed] And besides being one of the AE developers (those that send you your "secret emails"), I might likely be a moderator, so be vewwy, vewwy, caweful. Because Brother Matt sent me your DD-214 and I know just exactly who, and how insignifigant, you really are. And you really don't want your little game clones to know that, do you??

PJH - very well said. The bullies like to think that they run the forum, and simply the idea of JWE being a moderator - or much more likely, a self-proclaimed moderator, should give us all something to think about. I would never give a bully a club and don't believe that anyone with an ounce of common sense would either. Would you like me to send you my DD-214's now, John?

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund


Terminus, who the hell do you think you are?

I could ask you the same thing.

[dwg]

ORIGINAL: JWE
And besides being one of the AE developers (those that send you your "secret emails"), I might likely be a moderator, so be vewwy, vewwy, caweful. Because Brother Matt sent me your DD-214 and I know just exactly who, and how insignifigant, you really are. And you really don't want your little game clones to know that, do you??

This kind of post leaves me very uncomfortable. A prerequisite of a moderator, and I am one on other forums, is to remain above the conflicts you are trying to quash. Threatening someone, no matter how irritating you may find them, is completely incompatible with the moderator's role.

I've challenged El Cid on his unsupported assertions, I'm hardly one of his supporters, but I find his posts less disturbing than ones like this. If you must respond to him, undermine his argument, not him.

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
JWE, Im expecting better of you. You are almost semi-official on this forum. Act like it.

Yes, you are right. It was an old thing from back in the day. It was private and we'll take care of it privately.

PH is quite right. Appologies to all concerned. J

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: YankeeAirRat

ORIGINAL: Terminus

These posts of your, "YankeeAirRat", as well as the ones by "JWE" are not going to even register on Cid's radar. He spews out his hot air and the noise of it drowns out everything else. It's a waste of effort.

Terminus,

I know it probably isn't going to register. However, I am hoping is that some of the new folks to keep from being dragged away to Wackyland by a fraud researcher with tin-foil hat history. What I am betting on next is that he is going to find some unnamed and secret source that will have said the Japanese Ku-Go weapons were ready for use to prevent Op Olympic.

The point is that he's not doing anything illegal. And you or John or anybody else (myself included) don't get to play whack-a-mole on his head. The newbs will have to take care of themselves, like the rest of us did, on this very much unmoderated forum.

[Buck Beach]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
JWE, Im expecting better of you. You are almost semi-official on this forum. Act like it.

Yes, you are right. It was an old thing from back in the day. It was private and we'll take care of it privately.

PH is quite right. Appologies to all concerned. J

To quote Judge Joe Brown, "That's manning up" John.

[Hortlund]

We all make misstakes sometimes JWE, but it takes a big man to admit making one in public like you just did. Thanks, that restored my good impression of you all the way.

[dwg]

ORIGINAL: el cid again
like Germany did - its design surfaced in 2010

So how come none of the leading German nuclear scientists knew anything about it? How come they all believed the amount of U-235 required to sustain a chain reaction was several orders of magnitude greater than it actually is? I take it you have read 'Operation Epsilon: The Farm Hall Transcripts', IOP Press/University of California, 1993?

[dwg]

ORIGINAL: el cid again
You need to understand that I don't need to lie - there is nothing to gain from it and a good deal to lose. So I don't. No matter how unlikely you think what I say is - it is always true. Period.

Like the story a couple of weeks ago about the German intercepts of conversations between Churchill and Roosevelt over the transatlantic cable, ten years before the cable was capable of carrying voice conversation? Or the idea that Japan was trying to warn the US by delivering the declaration of war after the the attack on Pearl Harbour? You may not lie, but you repeatedly display unwarrantedly credulous belief in fringe areas of history, often already discredited ones, and then claim private sources when challenged to substantiate the claims.

I have several tens of thousands of pages of material not in books

And unfortunately even if this is true the history of your claims here mean that people have substantial grounds to doubt your ability to objectively analyse original documents.

I was astonished to see the material broadcast on the history channel about three years ago

Here's a handy tip, the quality of anything but specialist media when dealing with specialist subjects is embarrassingly bad, while many journalists, including some supposed specialists, are hired guns willing to advance any theory that will earn them a few pounds, or a few political points, or yield a good headline. I have experience of very visibly biased reporting, and just plain bad reporting, of high profile projects I've been directly involved in, by award winning specialist journalists considered to be at the forefront of their profession. But if you aren't directly involved in the work you simply have no means of knowing how bad the reporting is. Equally I've spent much of the past several years involved in countering openly biased press coverage of minority issues that is known to be causing a rise in hate crime, yet the media, even those working for leading papers, even those working for supposedly neutral channels like the BBC, are quite happy to keep repeating them, because they pander to public prejudices. Add those together, and you may want to reconsider how much unsupported credit you give to things you read in papers or books or see on the TV.

[DD696]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

We all make misstakes sometimes JWE, but it takes a big man to admit making one in public like you just did. Thanks, that restored my good impression of you all the way.

But it takes a much bigger man to not consistently do this time after time. He does not learn from his constant attacks on posters. If he is even considered for a moderator position, then Woe Are Us.

As far as Terminus goes, he did go thru one period of time when he treated El Cid as a real person. You know, the type where you "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". That was when he was head of the AE naval team (of which he subsequently became "unhead" of", and he was pumping El Cid for information and being so unlike the Terminus we have come to know over many years. When he received the information he was after, he became the one we all know so well and relaunched his viscous attacks upon him. I care not what El Cid writes, but I have never known him to attack people in the manner that JWE and Terminus do.

[dwg]

ORIGINAL: el cid again
I learned to listen to the operators. They may not be deeply educated, but they didn't call because things were going as they wanted them to. No matter how outlandish what they say may be - try to understand what might lead them to say that? If you do - you may be able to fix their problem.

The problem is that witnesses may be incompetent to analyse what they see, and if they do not understand what they see, their presumptions may lead them to misreport the facts. This goes beyond the well known unreliable witness phenomenon and is a recognised problem in air-accident reporting, but applies equally to other technical fields. Unless the author of the primary sources recording their experiences is competent to recognise the misinterpretation and guide them into relating the actual events, not their interpretation, the false impression then gets recorded as fact and is impossible to analyse back to the actual facts.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: dwg

ORIGINAL: el cid again
I learned to listen to the operators. They may not be deeply educated, but they didn't call because things were going as they wanted them to. No matter how outlandish what they say may be - try to understand what might lead them to say that? If you do - you may be able to fix their problem.

The problem is that witnesses may be incompetent to analyse what they see, and if they do not understand what they see, their presumptions may lead them to misreport the facts. This goes beyond the well known unreliable witness phenomenon and is a recognised problem in air-accident reporting, but applies equally to other technical fields. Unless the author of the primary sources recording their experiences is competent to recognise the misinterpretation and guide them into relating the actual events, not their interpretation, the false impression then gets recorded as fact and is impossible to analyse back to the actual facts.

"UFOs" are a great example of this.

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: dwg

ORIGINAL: el cid again
You need to understand that I don't need to lie - there is nothing to gain from it and a good deal to lose. So I don't. No matter how unlikely you think what I say is - it is always true. Period.

Like the story a couple of weeks ago about the German intercepts of conversations between Churchill and Roosevelt over the transatlantic cable, ten years before the cable was capable of carrying voice conversation? Or the idea that Japan was trying to warn the US by delivering the declaration of war after the the attack on Pearl Harbour? You may not lie, but you repeatedly display unwarrantedly credulous belief in fringe areas of history, often already discredited ones, and then claim private sources when challenged to substantiate the claims.

Sid has a long history of purporting things to be the "truth" which dates back several years on the Matrix forums. Sid also has led many to believe he has extensive life experiences that give him some sort of inside knowledge. Some, who have felt it important, did some fact checking and found that experience to be lacking.

There are a fair number of forum members who have grown tired of the tin-foil hat conjecture presented by Sid that many less familiar members may be led to believe. Unfortunately some people have a short fuse, and did not handle the situation well.

That being said buyer beware when El Cid presents a "truth".

[bigred]

ORIGINAL: DD696

ORIGINAL: JWE


[ed] And besides being one of the AE developers (those that send you your "secret emails"), I might likely be a moderator, so be vewwy, vewwy, caweful. Because Brother Matt sent me your DD-214 and I know just exactly who, and how insignifigant, you really are. And you really don't want your little game clones to know that, do you??

PJH - very well said. The bullies like to think that they run the forum, and simply the idea of JWE being a moderator - or much more likely, a self-proclaimed moderator, should give us all something to think about. I would never give a bully a club and don't believe that anyone with an ounce of common sense would either. Would you like me to send you my DD-214's now, John?

1. The above comment by JWE almost made me make a post in objection earlier today, but I held my comment wondering if EL Cid has leaked any secret or top secret information by accident. I would think any restricted info will be dealt w/ in the next day or so.

2. This is the second time on this forum I have seen JWE refer to ElCid and his dd214 in an effort to exert mental control over a posting situation.

3. This has caused me to wonder why JWE has access to any DD214. I would guess he has a friend over at milpercen that is leaking information. If not then maybe JWE has a security clearance which allows him to research any ex military person. Either way this seems to me to be a breach of personal privacy. Then again maybe the rules have changed w/ the patriot act. I would guess JWE loves to feel his power by flaunting his access to personal information in front of us.

4. Leadership comes in many forms and is shown from time to time in the actions, positive or negative , that a leader takes. The actions by JWE today will mark him in a negative fashion and no apology will cover this fact.

5. I hope JWE is not jealous of Sid and his work w/ RHS. My understanding is both Dababes and RHS have some problems and I would hope these guys could work out the problems for the greater good of AE.

6. Sid and JWE both are contributing to AE. Both are important. Looking into the past may show us the future.


7. Negative leadership causes me not to accept this leadership. I do not except JWE as a moderator based on his 2time dd214 threat. copy to matrix.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: JWE

Ya know, Sid, if you would stop the pretentious horse manure, that everybody out there knows is just that, you might, just might, get a bit of traction.

But in general, you are an annoyance on these threads. I would request you go away and stay away. You have nothing to offer but what I can find in an Alien encounter forum. AE has nothing to offer for for you. And obviously, you have have nothing to offer for AE.

I am mystified why you think this way? I remember, in WITP days, when the idea the Russians might have a navy was forbidden by code. After demonstrating it was cool chrome (defing it as the little used French nation) - Matrix folded it in. I also demonstrated midgets, blimps and other things missing - and as I recall was told were not interesting - but they got added to the AE upgrade. I introduced map edge shipping tracks - and a form of them too came over. Today I have implemented a suggestion from then - at great effort - to allow seasonal effects and construction of infrastructure - and they appear to be of both interest and value. Asked to create UDT teams - I assumed it was impossible - I found it perfectly possible. The list is long and almost endless. I think you are either not really looking at the product and reasoning from assumption - or that you have an attitude that is hopelessly negative if you know it was my idea.

For my part - except for attacks like this - I do not find you a person whose ideas are unworthy. In fact - when a mod you did was recommended in re certain things in China - I looked at it - and borrowed some of the ideas. Putting more locations in is a great way to make the economy more robust and self sustaining, more worth trying to capture,
and have more points where fortifications can slow down an enemy drive down an LOC. It was a fine idea. I prefer postitive approaches to negative ones. I do not seek to steal your thunder - or take users away from your mod - or to threaten you in any way. Why do you seem hostile and defensive? I am not attacking.

If I have a complaint - it is that you are off topic. You don't have to believe me. You don't have to respect materials or sources I present. But don't declare I have lied (when it is utterly unjustified - since I am not making anything up but presenting things from others) or that it is all nonsense. Disagree if you like - but in a civil way. And allow the reader to form their own conclusions. I doubt if you win fans by attacking. [If you think you do - you should read my private mail]

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: JWE

Sid, you have been warned many times about this kind of behavior. YankeeAirRat was responding to a specific post, on your part. Stop your bull shit at once. If you don't, we will take those actions we warned you about a couple years ago.

[ed] And besides being one of the AE developers (those that send you your "secret emails"), I might likely be a moderator, so be vewwy, vewwy, caweful. Because Brother Matt sent me your DD-214 and I know just exactly who, and how insignifigant, you really are. And you really don't want your little game clones to know that, do you??

[ed] Aw frikken crikey. So I'm trying to do a duck on the grill with ginger sauce and watch Heavy Metal 2000 on the big screen. Woof !!! And i gotta put up with this mentally disturbed nonsense, while I'm trying to do a pricked-out kinda duck skin sorta Beijing kinda thing?? Awww, dude !!!

What precisely have I done here to offend you - or anyone? I am presenting information FYI - and you are perfectly free to disregard it if it serves no purpose for you. I admit it is esoteric - and in some quarters politically incorrect. So what? I was asked to add atomic bombs for both sides - and for the first time I looked at the matter - and have experimentally created a first approximation - which may or may not work. Anyone not interested need not use them - even in the only mod to have them - and no one has asked - never mind demanded- they be put in your mod - or in stock - or that you are somehow wrong not to have them. So what is it that bothers you???

IF you respect our country, never mind the very rules of the Forums, you ought to respect freedom of expression. If you do not it is not I who have been indicted by your words. Creating devices to model theoretically possible - if unlikely - options in the game period in the countries involved is germane to the design forum. Threats are forbidden - and at least honor requires you not engage in them. I cannot force you to do anything - however - and I won't try. But as I told your minions two years ago - I am not going to go away just because you imagine some offense. If you have a real problem - tell me what it is - and I will give it respectful consideration. But I have no grasp of what it is that offends you here? I would expect a moderator to object to the post above accusing me of lieing when I did not - and claiming there is no evidence whatever when there clearly is.

[el cid again]

[quote]ORIGINAL: dwg

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: dwg

ORIGINAL: el cid again
You need to understand that I don't need to lie - there is nothing to gain from it and a good deal to lose. So I don't. No matter how unlikely you think what I say is - it is always true. Period.

Like the story a couple of weeks ago about the German intercepts of conversations between Churchill and Roosevelt over the transatlantic cable, ten years before the cable was capable of carrying voice conversation? Or the idea that Japan was trying to warn the US by delivering the declaration of war after the the attack on Pearl Harbour? You may not lie, but you repeatedly display unwarrantedly credulous belief in fringe areas of history, often already discredited ones, and then claim private sources when challenged to substantiate the claims.

I have no idea why you believe there is a problem with the story? It is taken from a book on the intelligence war - and I suspect it is perfectly true. I suppose it might be that someone wanted to sell books by telling a sensational story about a success which would be popular in the intended market - but I do not suspect that really happened. If you had mailed me I would have tried to remember precisely where it is? I am sure I have it - a few feet from where I now sit. I was not aware you doubted the story. How do you know when the cable became able to carry voice? It was my impression that transocean phone calls were mainly possible only by cable - that satellites for example didn't yet exist. Do you think they were always radio phone calls? Since I study radar more than telephony, I am not very familiar with the historical milestones of its development. But surely I did not suspect there was a problem with the story in that form.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: YankeeAirRat

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Blah.Blah..I don't cite anything because I heard it from drinking buddy's aunt's uncle's sister-in-law's great-great-grandfather's milkman so it must be true..for 11 posts

Okay The Cid the Fraud let me help you out for a little bit. I saw eleven (11) posts from you with no, zero, nada, zilch citations as to where your getting your information short of some smoke and mirror stuff that is typical of the tin foil hatters in the history field.

Sorry - I said I would respond only briefly and not be drawn. So I am not going to change that much.

However - this opening implies you didn't actually read the posts. I cited some good starting points in the form of English language books. I can cite more.
I do have materials not in books at all as well which bear on the subject - not always in English (go figure - the Japanese sometimes use their own language).
But a person interested should start at the beginning. Read Japan's Secret War. Read The Making of the Atomic Bomb and its sequal - Dark Sun. Read The Day
Man Lost. Anyone who wants more after that can write and I will suggest material on whatever questions they find most intersting - but at least they will have a
foundation - with a basic understanding. The Navy Technical Institute report makes three of the four - and it says there were "reactor" experiments to report on - scale up -
and report back on. The Two Koreas is much more narrow - but far more explicit. I wrote the author and have his written reply: he stands by it. Japanese atomic research on a serious scale happened in Korea.

You should go back and actually read the posts. All of these books are cited. If they are not enough - that is a different matter. But don't say there are none.