Easily explained - the milliner was using some left over material to test out repairs to the sewing machine when Kate walked in ...ORIGINAL: khyberbill
The hat does invite comment.Oh, great googly moogly, the things I could say to this..
Bring me the head of Diego Garcia...and the Mayor of Addu Atoll too!
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RE: Hearts and Minds
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: sprior
Apparently Kate is now a qualified submariner...
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I would not suggest that oufit for topside duty.
By ra way, if you see her can you ask her where the Jap tanker traffic in the South China Sea is?

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RE: Hearts and Minds
*****************Jan. 4, 1943(c)*******************
Darwin/Bathurst/Saumlaki: Remember that surface group that I creverly predicted would raid Saumlaki? Well, they fool us...they no show up. Wasp and the CVE's had "follow" orders but evidently the TF CO's need a brush up on their Engrish skills as they stayed put near Saumlaki. I think the problem is you can't trust "follow" orders when some of the ships get low on fuel (not red, but low). One of the transport groups at Saumlaki also failed to get the memo. Even so, disaster was avoided. I'm not sure why, but the leading hypothesis is that of our proven superior intellect over the LYB commanders.
Even so, there was this curious message from Rord Admirar Nerson broadcast in plain Engrish.
"How could we miss such a large target?" [X(]
I think he means this. It might have been ugly.
Sub attack near Saumlaki at 79,118
Japanese Ships
SS I-8
Allied Ships
CV Yorktown
CLAA San Diego
DD Clark
DD Cummings
DD Meade
Also, groups of unescorted Helens attacked both the ground troops and transports at Saumlaki with quite heavy losses. 15 Helens lost per intel reports.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Saumlaki at 78,117
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 20
Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 8
F4F-3A Wildcat x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 32
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
xAP Kota Pinang
xAP Taroona
SC-646
Darwin/Bathurst/Saumlaki: Remember that surface group that I creverly predicted would raid Saumlaki? Well, they fool us...they no show up. Wasp and the CVE's had "follow" orders but evidently the TF CO's need a brush up on their Engrish skills as they stayed put near Saumlaki. I think the problem is you can't trust "follow" orders when some of the ships get low on fuel (not red, but low). One of the transport groups at Saumlaki also failed to get the memo. Even so, disaster was avoided. I'm not sure why, but the leading hypothesis is that of our proven superior intellect over the LYB commanders.
Even so, there was this curious message from Rord Admirar Nerson broadcast in plain Engrish.
"How could we miss such a large target?" [X(]
I think he means this. It might have been ugly.
Sub attack near Saumlaki at 79,118
Japanese Ships
SS I-8
Allied Ships
CV Yorktown
CLAA San Diego
DD Clark
DD Cummings
DD Meade
Also, groups of unescorted Helens attacked both the ground troops and transports at Saumlaki with quite heavy losses. 15 Helens lost per intel reports.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Saumlaki at 78,117
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 20
Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 8
F4F-3A Wildcat x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 32
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
xAP Kota Pinang
xAP Taroona
SC-646

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RE: Hearts and Minds
Darwin: A small transport group was unloading more AA guns at Darwin. This triggered an LYB artillery attack and brings up an interesting possible exploit. Call it "induced conterbattery on steroids". When a landing force has a potent artillery capability, and a landing of troops triggers enemy ground artillery fire, the induced conterbattery fire is much more effective than if we had ordered an offensive artillery barage. Exhibit A:
Ground combat at Darwin (76,124)
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 12663 troops, 115 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 505
Defending force 44358 troops, 756 guns, 781 vehicles, Assault Value = 1394
Japanese ground losses:
404 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
4th Engineer Co
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
38th/A Division
18th Tank Regiment
38th/B Division
53rd JNAF AF Unit
107th JAAF AF Bn
52nd JNAF AF Unit
22nd Ind.AA Gun Co
5th Div /2
Defending units:
22nd Marine Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
1st Marine Regiment
6th Marine Regiment
7th Australian Division
2/1 AIF Pioneer Battalion
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
2nd USMC Engineer Regiment
6th Australian Division
2/2 AIF Pioneer Battalion
2/11th Field Regiment
South Pacific
2nd RAAF M/W Sqn
21/22 Field Regiment
8th Marine Defense Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
369th Coast AA Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
I US Amphib Corps
2nd Australian Hvy AA Regiment
16th USN SeaBees /1
Ground combat at Darwin (76,124)
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 12663 troops, 115 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 505
Defending force 44358 troops, 756 guns, 781 vehicles, Assault Value = 1394
Japanese ground losses:
404 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
4th Engineer Co
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
38th/A Division
18th Tank Regiment
38th/B Division
53rd JNAF AF Unit
107th JAAF AF Bn
52nd JNAF AF Unit
22nd Ind.AA Gun Co
5th Div /2
Defending units:
22nd Marine Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
1st Marine Regiment
6th Marine Regiment
7th Australian Division
2/1 AIF Pioneer Battalion
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
2nd USMC Engineer Regiment
6th Australian Division
2/2 AIF Pioneer Battalion
2/11th Field Regiment
South Pacific
2nd RAAF M/W Sqn
21/22 Field Regiment
8th Marine Defense Battalion
225th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
369th Coast AA Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
I US Amphib Corps
2nd Australian Hvy AA Regiment
16th USN SeaBees /1

RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Easily explained - the milliner was using some left over material to test out repairs to the sewing machine when Kate walked in ...ORIGINAL: khyberbill
The hat does invite comment.Oh, great googly moogly, the things I could say to this..
Either that or the milliner has served her grandmother-in-law and great-grandmother-in-law for so long that he can't break out of his style.
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RE: Hearts and Minds
So here is how the proposed "induced conterbattery fire on steroids" exploit would work.
1) We continue unloading a couple of 2 1/2 ton trucks and an 81 mm mortar each day at Darwin.
2) JJ is induced to fire an artillery barrage.
3) Arried counterbattery fire does more damage than 2 BB's and 71 B-24's combined.
Rather, rinse, repeat.
1) We continue unloading a couple of 2 1/2 ton trucks and an 81 mm mortar each day at Darwin.
2) JJ is induced to fire an artillery barrage.
3) Arried counterbattery fire does more damage than 2 BB's and 71 B-24's combined.
Rather, rinse, repeat.

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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: CaptDave
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Easily explained - the milliner was using some left over material to test out repairs to the sewing machine when Kate walked in ...ORIGINAL: khyberbill
The hat does invite comment.
Either that or the milliner has served her grandmother-in-law and great-grandmother-in-law for so long that he can't break out of his style.
I think it is supposed to represent a depth charge exploding. It's very kinetic.

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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: sprior
Apparently Kate is now a qualified submariner...
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Oh, great googly moogly, the things I could say to this...[X(]
Alas, gentlemanly conduct on this forum is still aspired to, so I will decline for the time being...
Youre right. I think the community owes me several beers for showing so much restraint. [:D]
"Mighty is the Thread! Great are its works and insane are its inhabitants!" -Brother Mynok
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China: Not sure, but this may be the first air attack on Chungking. A severely depleted squadron of RAF Hurris bests the Oscars.
Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8
Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
No Allied losses
Utoh....where did 110th IJA Div come from? We need to attrit these bad boys.
Ground combat at 77,43 (near Chungking)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 11506 troops, 102 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 351
Defending force 395 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
Japanese adjusted assault: 388
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 388 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), shock(+)
Allied ground losses:
292 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
110th Division
Defending units:
25th Chinese Corps
Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8
Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
No Allied losses
Utoh....where did 110th IJA Div come from? We need to attrit these bad boys.
Ground combat at 77,43 (near Chungking)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 11506 troops, 102 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 351
Defending force 395 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
Japanese adjusted assault: 388
Allied adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 388 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), shock(+)
Allied ground losses:
292 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
110th Division
Defending units:
25th Chinese Corps

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New Scotland: The Marines reach La Foa. Ironic that after all those horrific losses on both sides in the battle for New Scotland, JJ just let's us waltz in. There is a Naval Guard unit at Noumea but i doubt they are in very good shape.
Ground combat at La Foa (114,159)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3792 troops, 91 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 128
Defending force 248 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Allied adjusted assault: 18
Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE La Foa !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(-)
Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 2
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Regiment
Defending units:
45th JNAF AF Unit
46th JNAF AF Unit
Ground combat at La Foa (114,159)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3792 troops, 91 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 128
Defending force 248 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Allied adjusted assault: 18
Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE La Foa !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(-)
Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 2
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Regiment
Defending units:
45th JNAF AF Unit
46th JNAF AF Unit

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RE: Hearts and Minds
******************With East Africa Brigade, Port Hedrand, Jan. 5,1943(c)****************
Lt. Uppington-Smythe: Hey, I just realized. Has anyone seen Sgt. Dada?
Lt. Uppington-Smythe: Hey, I just realized. Has anyone seen Sgt. Dada?

RE: Hearts and Minds
Looks like he had every negative combat modifier in the booK! Should be a cakewalk to Noumea if they are in similar shape.ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
New Scotland: The Marines reach La Foa. Ironic that after all those horrific losses on both sides in the battle for New Scotland, JJ just let's us waltz in. There is a Naval Guard unit at Noumea but i doubt they are in very good shape.
Ground combat at La Foa (114,159)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3792 troops, 91 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 128
Defending force 248 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Allied adjusted assault: 18
Japanese adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 18 to 1 (fort level 0)
Allied forces CAPTURE La Foa !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(-)
Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 2
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Regiment
Defending units:
45th JNAF AF Unit
46th JNAF AF Unit
The induced arty barrage at Darwin has a hidden bonus - he is using up precious supply firing his rice balls and fish rolls at you![:D]
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: Hearts and Minds
op mode(-),
Did you attack in March mode?
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
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ORIGINAL: sprior
op mode(-),
Did you attack in March mode?
Yes...and while singing Halls of Montezuma too..just to show our disdain

RE: Hearts and Minds
For the Aztecs or JJ?
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: sprior
For the Aztecs or JJ?
Oh yes, for JJ, of course. I have found that very, very bad and mysterious things begin to happen when one makes sport of any ot the pre-Colombian indigenous peoples of Mesoamerica.

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By ra way...here is the real reason the Aztec culture was defeated by Cortez with 2 platoons of Spanish reservists. People think it was gunpowder but the real problem the Aztec had was it took them 2 or 3 decades to learn how to pronounce their own names, then when they finally graduate from Aztec High they go out to play some B-ball with the Mayan kids, miss a 3 pointer at the buzzer and get their heads chopped off.

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RE: Hearts and Minds
*****************Moctezuma High School, Teotihuacan, 1512******************
Hot, Statuesque (5ft 2in) Aztec Teacher, Ms. Xochitzlatzlcoatl: And you, young man, can you spell your name for us.
Aztec kid with moustache, held back 13 years: Ummmm...let's see....ummm..."X"....and then...ummmm.....
Aztec Teacher, Ms. Xochitzlatzlcoatl: Yes dear, we know it starts with "X" but what comes next?
Hot, Statuesque (5ft 2in) Aztec Teacher, Ms. Xochitzlatzlcoatl: And you, young man, can you spell your name for us.
Aztec kid with moustache, held back 13 years: Ummmm...let's see....ummm..."X"....and then...ummmm.....
Aztec Teacher, Ms. Xochitzlatzlcoatl: Yes dear, we know it starts with "X" but what comes next?

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**************Teotihuacan, after Cortez arrives**************
Cortez and Moctezuma are playing Scrabble for control of the Aztec empire.
Cortez: <self satisfied look> "Xerosis"...that's 4, 8, 11, 13 and 10 for the "X" plus double word score...that's 46! You will never beat that chief. Looks like the Aztec empire belongs to the Queen, or maybe it's the King, I forget.
Moctezuma: <Stands abruptly> Horse soldier cheat. "X" only 1 point in Teotihuacan. <he draws an emerald-encrusted dagger...they begin to struggle>
Cortez and Moctezuma are playing Scrabble for control of the Aztec empire.
Cortez: <self satisfied look> "Xerosis"...that's 4, 8, 11, 13 and 10 for the "X" plus double word score...that's 46! You will never beat that chief. Looks like the Aztec empire belongs to the Queen, or maybe it's the King, I forget.
Moctezuma: <Stands abruptly> Horse soldier cheat. "X" only 1 point in Teotihuacan. <he draws an emerald-encrusted dagger...they begin to struggle>

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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: sprior
For the Aztecs or JJ?
Oh yes, for JJ, of course. I have found that very, very bad and mysterious things begin to happen when one makes sport of any ot the pre-Colombian indigenous peoples of Mesoamerica.
This revenge isn't as mysterious as you suggest, Cap'n. You should have expected it when, during your recent camping trip, you drank pond water to slake your thirst from that temperature-abused authentic Guatemalan ceviche.





