War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A)

[BBfanboy]

Finally a little payoff for the reliable US torps! Make 'em suffer!

[Canoerebel]

1/13/42
 
Another good day for the Allies, though at this point in the war any day in which Japan doesn't score a knockout punch while the Allies do get a few licks in has to be deemed a success.

NoPac:  A USN sub west of Attu claims a troop-laden AK.  KB still parked near Anchorage flying missions against that base (???).  Warspite is leading a TF that will try to protect Coal Harbor as long as the KB is confirmed well to the north.  CH's AV up to 105.  Yorktown is stationed off the West Coast, where she can contribute her aircraft to defend West Coast bases in the event of an emergency.

CenPac:  One combat TF will be sliding between Iwo and Japan, testing enemy preparedness.  The other is still parked just of the New Guinea Coast.  Saratoga is near Christmas Island, steaming slowly NE.  Unless something changes my mind, she'll eventually team up with Yorktown, but right now she was acting as the hammer to protect any deep incursions agains the Line Islands.

Eastern DEI:  Lexington refueled at Perth and is steaming WNW.  Enterprise and the RN CVs are straddling Cocos Island to guard against a "smash and dash" incursion against that outpost, which currently has 78 AV.  Steve's efforts in Java have been stymied by small roadblocks at each good defensive positon.  The Allies are weak here, but he hasn't brought the means to punch through yet.

Philippines:  Quiet.  Steve stripped off one roughed-up division from Clark, leaving two to handle that siege.  SigInt continues to show multiple marus bringing in Imperial Guards from Malaya.  USN subs score some hits in this region.

Singapore:  Still no siege yet.

Burma:  A Japanese attack at Rangoon repulsed easily.  The Allies are weak here, too, but once again Steve doesn't have enough at hand to really take advantage.

China: The Chinese have roughly 5,000 AV at or adjacent to Nanyang.  Large enemy stacks (10 units and six units) are nearby.  I want to see what Steve has before I decide on my course of action.

[BBfanboy]

As Alice said "curiouser and curiouser"!
Mis-using KB to bomb an impotent port?? Using his first seven weeks of precious landing bonus to take some far north bases and not be in position to begin strategic bombing from them?
Seems like he is totally focused on the VP for owning these small bases? Meanwhile the big strategic targets are not yet taken!
It may take you a while to boot them out from the North but you should be able to move elsewhere in the meantime.

[Miller]

He's on a road to nowhere with this NorPac adventure.

[Historiker]

Meybe he's read abook about the Yukon Gold run and wants to start diggin'?

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Meybe he's read abook about the Yukon Gold run and wants to start diggin'?

Ah yes - gold - strategic material for Japanese dental work ...[8|]

[Canoerebel]

1/14/42
 
PH is an experienced and very capable player.  I seriously doubt he's doing anything ridiculous, so what's going on in NoPac at the moment probably makes sense within his overall scheme.  I have just about decided that he's going to focus on NoPac (building bases and perhaps strat bombing of the USA) along with a major commitment to Oz (with stategic bombing given a key role there, too) or Hawaii (less likely, but not impossible).  I'm increasingly making little adjustments to my plans and dispositions on this hunch.  While he could switch off and take a stab for India, he'd to do alot of reconfigurng, which would take a great deal of time.
 
NoPac: Warspite TF will visit Coal Harbor tonight.  I lost sight of the KB this turn, so I might only have one day clear.  There are Japanese combat and transport vessels to the NW of CH, so perhaps something is up here.
 
CenPac:  The USN TF clears the line of islands between Iwo and Japan proper.  I haven't selected a target yet, but it could range from Luzon to Formosa to Okinawa to southern Japan.  An oiler is trailing to help with refueling.  The other USN combat TF remains stationary north of New Guinea.  No signs of detection for either.
 
SoPac:  Japan is landing at Shortlands.  A mixed Aussie/US combat TF will arrive there tonight.
 
Oz/DEI:  Did I mention that Japan landed two tank units at Wyndham, taking the base yesterday?  Another landing today at a dot hex to the NE (true) of Darwin.  Allied combat TFs have picked off an xAK and two PBs in the past two days, with one American DD going under.  18th UK Div. is enroute to Oz.  If I continue to develop my hunch that India is safe but Oz isn't, the Aussie Div. enroute from Aden to Karachi will be re-routed to Oz.
 
Singapore:  No move across the causeway yet.
 
 

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

1/14/42
 
PH is an experienced and very capable player.  I seriously doubt he's doing anything ridiculous, so what's going on in NoPac at the moment probably makes sense within his overall scheme.  I have just about decided that he's going to focus on NoPac (building bases and perhaps strat bombing of the USA) along with a major commitment to Oz (with stategic bombing given a key role there, too) or Hawaii (less likely, but not impossible).  I'm increasingly making little adjustments to my plans and dispositions on this hunch.  While he could switch off and take a stab for India, he'd to do alot of reconfigurng, which would take a great deal of time.

NoPac: Warspite TF will visit Coal Harbor tonight.  I lost sight of the KB this turn, so I might only have one day clear.  There are Japanese combat and transport vessels to the NW of CH, so perhaps something is up here.

CenPac:  The USN TF clears the line of islands between Iwo and Japan proper.  I haven't selected a target yet, but it could range from Luzon to Formosa to Okinawa to southern Japan.  An oiler is trailing to help with refueling.  The other USN combat TF remains stationary north of New Guinea.  No signs of detection for either.

SoPac:  Japan is landing at Shortlands.  A mixed Aussie/US combat TF will arrive there tonight.

Oz/DEI:  Did I mention that Japan landed two tank units at Wyndham, taking the base yesterday?  Another landing today at a dot hex to the NE (true) of Darwin.  Allied combat TFs have picked off an xAK and two PBs in the past two days, with one American DD going under.  18th UK Div. is enroute to Oz.  If I continue to develop my hunch that India is safe but Oz isn't, the Aussie Div. enroute from Aden to Karachi will be re-routed to Oz.

Singapore:  No move across the causeway yet.

Yep, you may be right about Oz. Too late for India now. Regardless of what else they do I think every Japanese player has to commit some force to occupy Northern Australia. It is just to close to their oil to leave it be. And I a beginning to think that the best Allied answer to Japan in scen #2 is to focus on the oil.

[Lomri]

It has been a while since I played Allies in this time frame. Is it possible he has his eye on a specific date in which you have a lot of air units withdraw before pushing further in NoPac? Is it possible an operational pause for this reason would have an advantage for him? I'm probably off base here, but just seeing this from your point of view I can't help but think something is missing. I can't wait to find out what it is!

[princep01]

lomri....as one who plays the Allies exclusively, I can answer your question regarding the air withdrawal timing issue. No. The Allies do not have to withdraw significant AC units at this point in the game. LAte Spring/Early Summer, yes they do. However, I do not think this is why PJH is attacking in the northern Pacific.

As CR says, that reasoning is currently not clear. Like you, I an anxious to know why that is the chosen strategy or if it is merely a major feint.

Time will tell.

[Canoerebel]

I have four squadrons of West Coast P-39s (80 fighters) due for withdrawal in 15 days.  That's a large number of top-line defensive airacraft (yes, you read that right - in early 1942, the P-39 preforms very well in a defensive role).  I'm sort of hording political points so that I can try to keep some or all of these squadrons on the map.  I'll know better if I can afford to do so once I find out the PP penatly for failure to withdraw.
 
Right now, the Allies probably have 400 fighters on the West Coast, a number which can be supplemented immediately by Yorktown's squadron (and soon by Saratoga's).  If Steve waits much longer, I don't think he can win an air battle over the USA.  He'll do damage, but his losses would be very high.  I'm basing this on my experience with Q-Ball in which we had a very long, sustained air war campaign in India.  In that match, his bombers and fighters were flying at closer range than they will be in this game, so his losses might be even higher.
 
I'm about to begin shifting RAF fighters from India to Australia, based upon my current assessment that the danger posed to Oz is much great and much more proxmite than that to India.

[Q-Ball]

At that range, Japanese will suffer a ton of ops losses. They do anyway, but even morese fighting up there, because of the longer ranges.

While I would be concerned about the Japanese getting VPs up there, I just don't see them gaining air superiority over the Pac NW. I'm anxious to see if PH does it, but I am dubious myself. There are alot of restricted aircraft on the West Coast

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I have four squadrons of West Coast P-39s (80 fighters) due for withdrawal in 15 days.  That's a large number of top-line defensive airacraft (yes, you read that right - in early 1942, the P-39 preforms very well in a defensive role).  I'm sort of hording political points so that I can try to keep some or all of these squadrons on the map.  I'll know better if I can afford to do so once I find out the PP penatly for failure to withdraw.

Right now, the Allies probably have 400 fighters on the West Coast, a number which can be supplemented immediately by Yorktown's squadron (and soon by Saratoga's).  If Steve waits much longer, I don't think he can win an air battle over the USA.  He'll do damage, but his losses would be very high.  I'm basing this on my experience with Q-Ball in which we had a very long, sustained air war campaign in India.  In that match, his bombers and fighters were flying at closer range than they will be in this game, so his losses might be even higher.

I'm about to begin shifting RAF fighters from India to Australia, based upon my current assessment that the danger posed to Oz is much great and much more proxmite than that to India.

15PP per squadron per day. So basically you will be running a negative PP flow until you remove them. The reality is that with heavy combat you will be short on planes not squadrons. Are the planes lost if you withdraw them?

[Canoerebel]

If Steve does engage in a strat bombing campaign against the West Coast, I'm sure it will be an all-out effort.
 
In that event, the "heat will be on" in that theater and is likely to be considerably reduced elsewhere.  So it might be worthwhile to spend PP to keep some of those "scheduled to be withdrawn" fighter squadrons on map until I can bring in fighters from other theaters.
 
I am considering pulling many of the fighter squadrons out of Hawaii to move them to the West Coast.  Hawaii isn't a game winner.  West Coast might be.

[Canoerebel]

My opponent has totally vanished from sight since Saturday.  I'm assuming it's the usual culprit (work).  I'll just lay low until he returns.

[Q-Ball]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My opponent has totally vanished from sight since Saturday.  I'm assuming it's the usual culprit (work).  I'll just lay low until he returns.

Don't feel singled out; I'm in the same boat.

[DivePac88]

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My opponent has totally vanished from sight since Saturday.  I'm assuming it's the usual culprit (work).  I'll just lay low until he returns.

Don't feel singled out; I'm in the same boat.

No I havn't, still on deck, just been working-up my AAR today.

[Q-Ball]

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

My opponent has totally vanished from sight since Saturday.  I'm assuming it's the usual culprit (work).  I'll just lay low until he returns.

Don't feel singled out; I'm in the same boat.

No I havn't, still on deck, just been working-up my AAR today.

No Des, not talking about you....I have a game going vs. PH as well as Dan, and haven't heard from him since Saturday. I figure you're working on Dec 8 turn which takes awhile......particularly when your PH attack isn't the best

[Canoerebel]

Edited to Strike This Post: After posting this, I returned to PHs "Member Profile" and it correctly lists his most recent posts. So whatever caused it to be out of date earlier today has now been rectified somehow....

Here's an oddity.  I went to Panzerjaeger's "Member Profile" page today to see when he last logged on.  Oddly, it shows that his most recent post was in...2009!  Now, that aint right!  After all, he started this new AAR just a couple of months ago.  So I figured there must be something weird with the way the "Member Profile" information is working, but when I checked my own it accurately listed my most recent posts through today.  So...why is it that PH's Member Profile doesn't go past 2009?

[adsoul64]

I see his last post as 6/10/2012 2:39:20 PM. Could you have searched for a different forum? Just an idea