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What is with the floral upholstery?

One word: Wardroom

So you are saying the officer's did it? Weren't there any gay officers with a sense of style? I'm thinking hunter green leather and mohogany chairs with sudued greys and greens for the partition, perhaps an island/jungle motif ...and of course, classic white tablecloth.

Perhaps I have overshared?
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What is with the floral upholstery?

One word: Wardroom

So you are saying the officer's did it? Weren't there any gay officers with a sense of style? I'm thinking hunter green leather and mohogany chairs with sudued greys and greens for the partition, perhaps an island/jungle motif ...and of course, classic white tablecloth.

Perhaps I have overshared?

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You served on Galatea? Did you serve in the Falklands war?
I thought you were a sub-mariner?

I did. I didn't.

There's no - in submariner and I was after serving on the Galatea.
Yeah, I know there is no hyphen, but it makes me grit my teeth every time someone [including many newscasters] pronounce it "submarine-er". I put the hyphen in so that readers would keep the word "mariner" intact.
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hopes that afterwards the sub boys will remember that not ALL surface ships are hostile.

They're not, they're targets.
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"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
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Yeah, I know there is no hyphen, but it makes me grit my teeth every time someone [including many newscasters] pronounce it "submarine-er". I put the hyphen in so that readers would keep the word "mariner" intact.

Actually, I've read (in O'Kane's books) that the preferred pronunciation accents the I, since keeping the normal pronunciation of mariner implies that the guys are less than full mariners. What say the rest of you with modern naval experience?
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Some posters
Interesting artwork - the artist who did this poster:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picture ... me=2249283
must have been prescient: he drew a nuclear cooling tower in the middle of all those chimneys!
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Yeah, I know there is no hyphen, but it makes me grit my teeth every time someone [including many newscasters] pronounce it "submarine-er". I put the hyphen in so that readers would keep the word "mariner" intact.

Actually, I've read (in O'Kane's books) that the preferred pronunciation accents the I, since keeping the normal pronunciation of mariner implies that the guys are less than full mariners. What say the rest of you with modern naval experience?
Interesting perspective. I took my pronunciation cue from submariners I met while I was in the services.
To me a submarIner sounds like a sandwich maker at Subway ...[;)]
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Another good day:

Ground combat at Katherine (76,128)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27026 troops, 619 guns, 847 vehicles, Assault Value = 1333

Defending force 14224 troops, 189 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 286

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 2075

Japanese adjusted defense: 184

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Katherine !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5874 casualties reported
Squads: 223 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 95 destroyed, 56 disabled
Engineers: 74 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 122 (103 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 56 (56 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2


Allied ground losses:
402 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 71 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Motor Brigade
3rd Army Tank Brigade
3rd Motor Brigade
9th Australian Brigade
6th Australian Brigade
2/4th Armoured Regiment
4th Armoured Brigade
18th British Division
205th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
108th Tank Attack Regiment
NW Australia Base Force
1st Medium Regiment

Defending units:
20th Division
38th/C Division
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What say the rest of you with modern naval experience?

There's only me, the rest are pongoes, crabs or civvies.
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Another good day:

Ground combat at Katherine (76,128)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 27026 troops, 619 guns, 847 vehicles, Assault Value = 1333

Defending force 14224 troops, 189 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 286

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 2075

Japanese adjusted defense: 184

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Katherine !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5874 casualties reported
Squads: 223 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 95 destroyed, 56 disabled
Engineers: 74 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 122 (103 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 56 (56 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2


Allied ground losses:
402 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 71 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st Motor Brigade
3rd Army Tank Brigade
3rd Motor Brigade
9th Australian Brigade
6th Australian Brigade
2/4th Armoured Regiment
4th Armoured Brigade
18th British Division
205th Field Artillery Battalion
I Australian Corps
108th Tank Attack Regiment
NW Australia Base Force
1st Medium Regiment

Defending units:
20th Division
38th/C Division


Yes, I'd say JJ is on the run in Northern Oz. Another division and 1/3rd wrecked. Look at the unadjusted AV for the IJA, 286. Isn't that low for an IJA division and attached regiment? Perhaps they were understrength?
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So it is possible to push a large ground force up the track from Alice. Here is what we did. We built up Tennant to about 5K supply and then staged C-47's there to airdrop to the forward troops. That eventually ran out, but by then, Gove was built up to level 2 and we could fly directly to the trops at Katherine from there.

Also, Alice had about 100K supply. Some was undoubtedly trickling North but we never got Daly out of the red, even with no aircraft staged there.

JJ really should have been going after our ground troops at Katherine by air even before we landed at Darwin.

I think they are shell-shocked right now. No real counterattacks since the last cruiser raid at Darwin.
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Lord Admiral Sprior:

I will push down the rail line from Darwin to establish a supply link with Katherine. I would say we let the restricted Australian troops go after the defeated rabble and you save Br. 18th Div for your Sumatra thingy. I started Aus I Corps prepping for Sumatra...change targets if you wish.
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That sounds like a plan. 18th Br Div will advance up to Darwin and refit, rest and plan.

A small garrison will remain at K and the rest of the Aussies pursue the remaining LYBs.
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Look at the unadjusted AV for the IJA, 286. Isn't that low for an IJA division and attached regiment? Perhaps they were understrength?

Very low. Probably 1/3 strength for the Division, now probably at 20% strength after the retreat. Note the disruption combat modifier-almost assuredly from the aerial, naval and land bombardments.
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*************************Jan 7, 1943(c)*****************************

Saumlaki: Just reached level 1 airfield. There is no aviation ground support yet but you can get single engine fighters to fly for a few turns without support so I sent in some P-40's. The galloping horde is headed back to Saumlaki to unload the dozers and CD guns and supplies. A USAAF HQ unit is flying in to Saumlaki to get some emergency ground support. The Air HQ units are nice for air redeployment as they have no heavy equipment. LYB bombers go after the PT boats at Saumlaki and are intercepted.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Saumlaki at 78,117

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 4
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20



Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 17


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
PT-174


One of the amphibious groups headed for Saumlaki is attacked by unescorted Helens and picks up a few P-40K's overhead.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Selaroe at 78,118

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9



Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 4


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK James Schureman
xAK Juan Cabrillo
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Darwin: JJ left 55K supplies behind in Darwin...and some personal items at The Virra. Airfield maint. is 100% destroyed. Seventh Air Force HQ and 4 Bn of SeaBees are headed to Darwin.

Dobo: The B-25's from Merauke are suppressing the airfield and the port to make it difficult to evacuate the IJA troops there.

Morning Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-25C Mitchell x 22


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19


Port Headrand: This has got to be like being posted to the Eastern Front if you are in the IJA. Our last attack was 1:9. The LYB's don't give up easy. I wonder if they are drawing suppries from Broome? We could surround them but then the little buggers would NEVER give up. This is a typical day at PH:


Morning Air attack on Port Hedland , at 57,129

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3
Mitchell II x 4
Bolingbroke IV x 11
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-25C Mitchell x 42
B-26 Marauder x 6
B-26B Marauder x 17


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
392 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled



Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 18

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**************Bali Hai Club, Perth, Jan 7, 1943(c)***************


Man in fine linen slacks: <on phone> Yes General, I do realize the Emperor has only so many men, even in Scenario 2

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Yes, yes, I quite understand, but our contracts only specified that M&M Intelligence Division would supply attack warnings for air or naval attacks. You didn't buy the premium package which includes land attacks.


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No, no, it quite clearly limits our obligations. Don't you chaps have a legal team or something?

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I can recommend a firm, yes. I'll have them call you. Now, the Premium Package does include land attack warnings and strategic assessments but we are offering a special discount on our Premium Ultra which includes Counter-Intelligence services.

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Yes, Counter-Intelligence would include your efforts to discern what the Arries are secretly discovering about your operations.


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No afraid not, General, I can't disclose from where the Arries would get that kind of information. That would be, what we call in the West, a "confrict of interest".
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392 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

In my opinion, I judge the time to execute the ground phase when the destroyed squads start increasing ... it is my understanding that ground attacks by air platforms first disable squads and then kill a few and then the disabled sqauds start down the path of destruction. One can bomb forever .. but I feel once I start getting 25%/75% results on comabt sqauds like 4 destroyed / 12 disabled like your non-combat squads results .. then it is time to start thinking deliberate attacks .. just my .02 ..
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392 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

In my opinion, I judge the time to execute the ground phase when the destroyed squads start increasing ... it is my understanding that ground attacks by air platforms first disable squads and then kill a few and then the disabled sqauds start down the path of destruction. One can bomb forever .. but I feel once I start getting 25%/75% results on comabt sqauds like 4 destroyed / 12 disabled like your non-combat squads results .. then it is time to start thinking deliberate attacks .. just my .02 ..


Hmm... interesting. This is like trading recipes for beer bottle roasted chicken or pulled pork.[:)]



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IJA private 2: I feer rike ******* piece of Kobe beef on ******* rotisserie.
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