You are being unfair to McArthur - he was just searching for his cat that the PT sailors refused to take on board in early '42 when he actually obeyed a President and went to Australia. It may have been him pestering the Wicked Wok owners ...ORIGINAL: Moondawggie
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Of course, if you just want to make some headlines by capturing a strategically unimportant minor city from JJ (kinda like McArthur's 40+ amphibious invasions of the Southern Phillipines after conquering Luzon when the real prize of Japan was located 180 degrees in the opposite direction), then Padang is a much safer bet due to its isolation.
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Bring me the head of Diego Garcia...and the Mayor of Addu Atoll too!
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RE: Hearts and Minds
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: Hearts and Minds
Always with the negative waves
This makes invading the Falklands look like a trip across the Channel.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
RE: Hearts and Minds
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
RE: Hearts and Minds
Seems like it will soon be completely buried by the sand. The writer is wrong about crew remains - sea water dissolves even bones after that many years.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
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RE: Hearts and Minds
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Always with the negative waves
This makes invading the Falklands look like a trip across the Channel.
And no Harriers either. It will be fun!

RE: Hearts and Minds
And no Harriers either. It will be fun!
Oh, we're supposed to be having fun? No one told me.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
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*****************Jan 8, 1943(c)**************
Saumalki: Saumlaki now up to 1.4 airfield. The reinforcement convoys for Saumlaki begin trickling in. The Ceres group is back under Arleigh Burke for surface cover. JJ has a sub there,,,naturally.
ASW attack near Saumlaki at 78,117
Japanese Ships
SS I-16, hits 12, heavy damage
Allied Ships
DD Chevalier
DD Jupiter
[:-]
They send a suicide APD..BANZAI!
Day Time Surface Combat, near Molu at 79,116, Range 29,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze
Allied Ships
DD Frazier
DMS Boggs
AM Herald
AM Whippoorwill
xAP Maui
xAP Santa Barbara
AK Almaack
xAP Am. Builder
xAP Limerick
xAK Bundaleer
Well, maybe they are trying to get troops off of Dobo, or something. Molu is dot island NE of Saumlaki.
JJ air from Ambon. The P-40's afre flying from Saumlaki.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,116
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2
Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 19
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
AK Almaack, Bomb hits 1
DD Frazier
xAP Am. Builder
[:'(] And more.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,116
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7
Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
DD Frazier
DMS Boggs
The carriers...about 150 mi behind..find and sink the APD
Morning Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,115
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
Helens from ? The p-40's are fatigued or off station.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,116
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15
Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 11
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
DMS Boggs
xAK Bundaleer, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAP Maui
xAP Santa Barbara
Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 8 (4 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Oops. Scratch one 8 pt Aussie AK and a few guns of the Marine Def Bn.
More Helens. From Troy maybe? Helen, the bomber that sank ONE ship, Bundaleer. Almaack gets hit twice but isn't hurt badly.
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,116
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9
Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 4
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
AK Almaack, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DMS Boggs
xAP Santa Barbara
Saumalki: Saumlaki now up to 1.4 airfield. The reinforcement convoys for Saumlaki begin trickling in. The Ceres group is back under Arleigh Burke for surface cover. JJ has a sub there,,,naturally.
ASW attack near Saumlaki at 78,117
Japanese Ships
SS I-16, hits 12, heavy damage
Allied Ships
DD Chevalier
DD Jupiter
[:-]
They send a suicide APD..BANZAI!
Day Time Surface Combat, near Molu at 79,116, Range 29,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze
Allied Ships
DD Frazier
DMS Boggs
AM Herald
AM Whippoorwill
xAP Maui
xAP Santa Barbara
AK Almaack
xAP Am. Builder
xAP Limerick
xAK Bundaleer
Well, maybe they are trying to get troops off of Dobo, or something. Molu is dot island NE of Saumlaki.
JJ air from Ambon. The P-40's afre flying from Saumlaki.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,116
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2
Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 19
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
AK Almaack, Bomb hits 1
DD Frazier
xAP Am. Builder
[:'(] And more.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,116
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 7
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 7
Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
DD Frazier
DMS Boggs
The carriers...about 150 mi behind..find and sink the APD
Morning Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,115
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
SBD-3 Dauntless x 17
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
Helens from ? The p-40's are fatigued or off station.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,116
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15
Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 11
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
DMS Boggs
xAK Bundaleer, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAP Maui
xAP Santa Barbara
Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 8 (4 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Oops. Scratch one 8 pt Aussie AK and a few guns of the Marine Def Bn.
More Helens. From Troy maybe? Helen, the bomber that sank ONE ship, Bundaleer. Almaack gets hit twice but isn't hurt badly.
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Molu at 79,116
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9
Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 4
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
AK Almaack, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DMS Boggs
xAP Santa Barbara

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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: sprior
And no Harriers either. It will be fun!
Oh, we're supposed to be having fun? No one told me.
Just think of all the medals!

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Darwin/Katherine: A world record fighter sweep..at least for WWII(c).
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 84
Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 22
P-40K Warhawk x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 4 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
6 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
10 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
10 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
Not a bad performance by the P-40's and P-39's
Once the LYB's get flushed out into the open they are easier targets for the bombers.
Morning Air attack on 38th/B Division, at 75,125 , near Darwin
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 17
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
229 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
And this..a raid on the troops retreating northward from Katherine, which is also a record for wwii(c) [X(]
Morning Air attack on 38th/C Division, at 76,127 , near Katherine
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 66
Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
1097 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 53 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
After another bombardment of some TBF's from bathurst. General Custer orders a cavalry charge South of Darwin. Only the armor attacks.
Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 84
Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 22
P-40K Warhawk x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 4 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
6 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
10 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
10 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
Not a bad performance by the P-40's and P-39's
Once the LYB's get flushed out into the open they are easier targets for the bombers.
Morning Air attack on 38th/B Division, at 75,125 , near Darwin
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 17
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
229 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
And this..a raid on the troops retreating northward from Katherine, which is also a record for wwii(c) [X(]
Morning Air attack on 38th/C Division, at 76,127 , near Katherine
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 66
Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
1097 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 53 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
After another bombardment of some TBF's from bathurst. General Custer orders a cavalry charge South of Darwin. Only the armor attacks.
Ground combat at 75,125 (near Darwin)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 1651 troops, 71 guns, 212 vehicles, Assault Value = 181
Defending force 10350 troops, 95 guns, 37 vehicles, Assault Value = 234
Allied adjusted assault: 33
Japanese adjusted defense: 145
Allied assault odds: 1 to 4
Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
633 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 39 (2 destroyed, 37 disabled)

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RE: Hearts and Minds
Noumea: I should have brought more Marines..
Ground combat at Noumea (115,160)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3871 troops, 91 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 137
Defending force 1683 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 63
Allied adjusted assault: 53
Japanese adjusted defense: 55
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)
Japanese ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Regiment
Defending units:
61st Naval Guard Unit
45th JNAF AF Unit
46th JNAF AF Unit
How the heck did we have inferior leaders? It's a rousy Naval Guard unit.
Ground combat at Noumea (115,160)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 3871 troops, 91 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 137
Defending force 1683 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 63
Allied adjusted assault: 53
Japanese adjusted defense: 55
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)
Japanese ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Regiment
Defending units:
61st Naval Guard Unit
45th JNAF AF Unit
46th JNAF AF Unit
How the heck did we have inferior leaders? It's a rousy Naval Guard unit.

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RE: Hearts and Minds
JJ was not so generous at Katherine. There are only 700 tons of supply, although all the combat troops are supplied. Admiral Lord SPrior is going to try a river assault...with salties in the water I imagine.

RE: Hearts and Minds
Better order in lots of fencing for massive POW Camp Fenton! (the camp will be massive, not the scrawny, mostly starved LYBs).
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: Hearts and Minds
I'll wager it's the metals he's worried about.ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: sprior
And no Harriers either. It will be fun!
Oh, we're supposed to be having fun? No one told me.
Just think of all the medals!
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RE: Hearts and Minds
ORIGINAL: witpqs
I'll wager it's the metals he's worried about.ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: sprior
Oh, we're supposed to be having fun? No one told me.
Just think of all the medals!
One of my favorite lines from Dr. Stranglove ... the world is about to engage in toe to toe nuclear warfare and Slim Pickens boosts everybodies morale by reminding them that they would probably all get medals ..[:D]
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so"
RE: Hearts and Minds
I'll wager it's the metals he's worried about.
I had to read that twice.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
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One of my favorite lines from Dr. Stranglove ... the world is about to engage in toe to toe nuclear warfare and Slim Pickens boosts everybodies morale by reminding them that they would probably all get medals ..[:D]
I read that Sellers was going to play the Kong role and that Kubrick only casted Pickens when Sellers had some conflict. I futher read that Pickens wasn't in the on the satirical nature of the script although I have my doubts. I find it hard to believe that he didn't see the stenciled warning on the bomb.."NUCLEAR WEAPON: HANDLE WITH CARE" [:D]
Major T. J. "King" Kong: Well, boys, I reckon this is it - nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies. Now look, boys, I ain't much of a hand at makin' speeches, but I got a pretty fair idea that something doggone important is goin' on back there. And I got a fair idea the kinda personal emotions that some of you fellas may be thinkin'. Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human bein's if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelin's about nuclear combat. I want you to remember one thing, the folks back home is a-countin' on you and by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down. I tell you something else, if this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I'd say that you're all in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing's over with. That goes for ever' last one of you regardless of your race, color or your creed. Now let's get this thing on the hump - we got some flyin' to do.

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RE: Hearts and Minds
**********************HMS Trusty Bay of Bengal, off Rangoon, 04:30, Jan. 8, 1943(c)********************
XO: <looking through periscope. The duty is rote. He has done the same thing 200 times. Suddenly he is electrified! > CAPTAIN! SOMEBODY GET THE CAPTAIN! I think there is a ship coming!
XO: <looking through periscope. The duty is rote. He has done the same thing 200 times. Suddenly he is electrified! > CAPTAIN! SOMEBODY GET THE CAPTAIN! I think there is a ship coming!

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RE: Hearts and Minds
[:D] Damn Ukranian hackers [:D]
I wonder how many here have step kids named after a major naval base.
I wonder how many here have step kids named after a major naval base.






