THE THREAD!!!

[Chickenboy]

Nein! This one!

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

I am not a happy Kiwi this morning, in fact I'm absolutely gutted.

Two New Zealand Defense Force ships, have been refused entry to Pearl Harbor. It is the first time in 28 years New Zealand has been invited to take part in the biennial exercise which this time is the biggest yet, involving 22 nations, 42 ships, six submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel. New Zealand is contributing 350 personnel and has sent the the Anzac-class frigate HMNZS Te Kaha as well as the HMNZS Endeavour fuelling ship. [:(]

This is in response to the anti-nuclear legislation banning nuclear armed or propelled vessels from our ports. USN ships are still welcome in our ports, as long as they are not nuclear armed or propelled vessels. The other 40 ships taking part in the Rimpac exercise are able to berth in Pearl Harbour, including the first Russian destroyer to take part in the exercise. So it is now clear how much the USN regards one of it's most loyal Allies. [:@]

Sorry you're upset about it, mate. I think the Kiwis are recognized as a very loyal Ally, in spite of this clearly political reprisal.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

I am not a happy Kiwi this morning, in fact I'm absolutely gutted.

Two New Zealand Defense Force ships, have been refused entry to Pearl Harbor. It is the first time in 28 years New Zealand has been invited to take part in the biennial exercise which this time is the biggest yet, involving 22 nations, 42 ships, six submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel. New Zealand is contributing 350 personnel and has sent the the Anzac-class frigate HMNZS Te Kaha as well as the HMNZS Endeavour fuelling ship. [:(]

This is in response to the anti-nuclear legislation banning nuclear armed or propelled vessels from our ports. USN ships are still welcome in our ports, as long as they are not nuclear armed or propelled vessels. The other 40 ships taking part in the Rimpac exercise are able to berth in Pearl Harbour, including the first Russian destroyer to take part in the exercise. So it is now clear how much the USN regards one of it's most loyal Allies. [:@]

I'm sorry Des , but you are wrong. No USN ships have been allowed in New Zealand ports since the mid 1980's.. Your country will let us into exercises, but we can't make port calls.One NZ frigate, the Te Kaha , was allowed to port call in Seattle in 2010. That was the 1st one in 25 years. But New Zealand didn't reciprocate , and that ended that. [:(]

It's not enough that we have said we don't take tactical nukes to sea since 1991. New Zealand wanted inspections, in advance, in some other countries ports. Basically, they don't take the US governments word for it. So there it dies. [:(]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

I am not a happy Kiwi this morning, in fact I'm absolutely gutted.

Two New Zealand Defense Force ships, have been refused entry to Pearl Harbor. It is the first time in 28 years New Zealand has been invited to take part in the biennial exercise which this time is the biggest yet, involving 22 nations, 42 ships, six submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel. New Zealand is contributing 350 personnel and has sent the the Anzac-class frigate HMNZS Te Kaha as well as the HMNZS Endeavour fuelling ship. [:(]

This is in response to the anti-nuclear legislation banning nuclear armed or propelled vessels from our ports. USN ships are still welcome in our ports, as long as they are not nuclear armed or propelled vessels. The other 40 ships taking part in the Rimpac exercise are able to berth in Pearl Harbour, including the first Russian destroyer to take part in the exercise. So it is now clear how much the USN regards one of it's most loyal Allies. [:@]

I'm sorry Des , but you are wrong. No USN ships have been allowed in New Zealand ports since the mid 1980's.. Your country will let us into exercises, but we can't make port calls.

Even the non-nukes, Steve?

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

I am not a happy Kiwi this morning, in fact I'm absolutely gutted.

Two New Zealand Defense Force ships, have been refused entry to Pearl Harbor. It is the first time in 28 years New Zealand has been invited to take part in the biennial exercise which this time is the biggest yet, involving 22 nations, 42 ships, six submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel. New Zealand is contributing 350 personnel and has sent the the Anzac-class frigate HMNZS Te Kaha as well as the HMNZS Endeavour fuelling ship. [:(]

This is in response to the anti-nuclear legislation banning nuclear armed or propelled vessels from our ports. USN ships are still welcome in our ports, as long as they are not nuclear armed or propelled vessels. The other 40 ships taking part in the Rimpac exercise are able to berth in Pearl Harbour, including the first Russian destroyer to take part in the exercise. So it is now clear how much the USN regards one of it's most loyal Allies. [:@]

I'm sorry Des , but you are wrong. No USN ships have been allowed in New Zealand ports since the mid 1980's.. Your country will let us into exercises, but we can't make port calls.

Even the non-nukes, Steve?

The only nuke vessels we have are CVN's and submarines. The only vessels that carry nukes are SSBN's. Every other country accepts the statement "we don't have nukes". New Zeland requires inspections. Basically they say, "of course we trust you. Now bend over so we can frisk you". [:D] This doesn't go over well.[:(]

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Baron Letters? My english is deficiant [:(]

old old inside joke. I used to know a guy who like myself wrote alternate naval fiction back in the day. His main character was named "Baron Letters".....a distinquished fictional German naval officer from the Great War who took over from a killed Admiral Hipper during the Battle of the Dogger Bank. He won that battle and then took over the fleet for the Jutland engagement....using his own homemade naval wargame he proceeded to game virtually every British battleship and battlcruiser blowing up after hit after hit. Became sort of a running joke as MEIN GOTTT! got tossed around during the battle descriptions.

my favorite scene was where the 3 x KGV class battleships all blew up in sucession.

BOOM!

MEIN GOTT!!!!

BOOM!!

MEIN GOTT!!!!!

BOOM!!!!

MEIN GOTT!!!

Admiral Jellicoe: "Mein Head!!!!"

Mein Gott! Heil Kaiser Dir! [&o]

FYI.....nice to see the SLR's take a twisted turn.

I'm doi'n my best, bitteschön! [:D]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Historiker
I'm doi'n my best, bitteschön! [:D]

Hey! Who you callin' a bittesch? [:@]

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Historiker
I'm doi'n my best, bitteschön! [:D]

Hey! Who you callin' a bittesch? [:@]

Gern geschehen! [:@]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Historiker
Gern geschehen! [:@]

Geshundeit!

I had some of that there gern geschehen too, but found a good antihistamine / decongestant for it.

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Historiker
Gern geschehen! [:@]

Geshundeit!

I had some of that there gern geschehen too, but found a good antihistamine / decongestant for it.

you're welcomne! BUt tell your little friends, they can come and bite me - but that they must stop flying around my head! [:@]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Historiker
Gern geschehen! [:@]

Geshundeit!

I had some of that there gern geschehen too, but found a good antihistamine / decongestant for it.

you're welcomne! BUt tell your little friends, they can come and bite me - but that they must stop flying around my head! [:@]

Sorry, mate. It's their way of doin' business. Although I readily admit it's annoying as hell.

It's still better than the sudden eruption of deerflies we've had here in the last week. No notice-they just come and take a chunk out of you very quickly and fly away. In that context, a small little proboscis isn't all that bad...

Speaking of which, where's Onime? [:'(]

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



Geshundeit!

I had some of that there gern geschehen too, but found a good antihistamine / decongestant for it.

you're welcomne! BUt tell your little friends, they can come and bite me - but that they must stop flying around my head! [:@]

Sorry, mate. It's their way of doin' business. Although I readily admit it's annoying as hell.

It's still better than the sudden eruption of deerflies we've had here in the last week. No notice-they just come and take a chunk out of you very quickly and fly away. In that context, a small little proboscis isn't all that bad...

Speaking of which, where's Onime? [:'(]

I first read "Beerflies"

Ain't nobody touchin' my beer! [:@]

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Historiker
I'm doi'n my best, bitteschön! [:D]

Hey! Who you callin' a bittesch? [:@]

You, byottesh! Where ya from, Hauses?

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

At least its not LOG.

I don't know.....i think LOG! is a kinder gentler SLR.

"The Threat" sounds like something Barbara Walters would host. [:)]

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



Geshundeit!

I had some of that there gern geschehen too, but found a good antihistamine / decongestant for it.

you're welcomne! BUt tell your little friends, they can come and bite me - but that they must stop flying around my head! [:@]

Sorry, mate. It's their way of doin' business. Although I readily admit it's annoying as hell.

It's still better than the sudden eruption of deerflies we've had here in the last week. No notice-they just come and take a chunk out of you very quickly and fly away. In that context, a small little proboscis isn't all that bad...

Speaking of which, where's Onime? [:'(]

Thats not what she said.

BTW, its nice that you've finally admitted that you draw flies. [8|]

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Historiker
I'm doi'n my best, bitteschön! [:D]

Hey! Who you callin' a bittesch? [:@]

You, byottesh! Where ya from, Hauses?

All this sounds when Americans like to "sound German".

Quite funny [:D]

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Historiker


you're welcomne! BUt tell your little friends, they can come and bite me - but that they must stop flying around my head! [:@]

Sorry, mate. It's their way of doin' business. Although I readily admit it's annoying as hell.

It's still better than the sudden eruption of deerflies we've had here in the last week. No notice-they just come and take a chunk out of you very quickly and fly away. In that context, a small little proboscis isn't all that bad...

Speaking of which, where's Onime? [:'(]

I first read "Beerflies"

Ain't nobody touchin' my beer! [:@]

Now I see where "THE THREAT" comes in....

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

At least its not LOG.

I don't know.....i think LOG! is a kinder gentler SLR.

"The Threat" sounds like something Barbara Walters would host. [:)]

He's German, what do you expect from militaristic, beer-drinking, lederhosen-wearing people who get put in jail for baating the snot out of people with their martial arts skills. [:D]

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

At least its not LOG.

I don't know.....i think LOG! is a kinder gentler SLR.

"The Threat" sounds like something Barbara Walters would host. [:)]

He's German, what do you expect from militaristic, beer-drinking, lederhosen-wearing people who get put in jail for baating the snot out of people with their martial arts skills. [:D]

That was someone I knew, not me. [;)] And in fact, I'm wearing my Pickelhaube right now!

Achtung!

[DivePac88]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


The only nuke vessels we have are CVN's and submarines. The only vessels that carry nukes are SSBN's. Every other country accepts the statement "we don't have nukes". New Zeland requires inspections. Basically they say, "of course we trust you. Now bend over so we can frisk you". [:D] This doesn't go over well.[:(]

Under the 2007 anti-nuclear legislation, inspections are not needed, and your word is good enough. The problem is that the USN has a policy, that states that in will no devoluge when a ship is caring nuclear weapons or not.

Denmark has a similar nuclear policy to New Zealand, and doesn't allow nuclear armed or propelled vessels to visit it's ports either. But the USN dose ban Danish ships from it's port, so one would wonder about the USN's policy towards us.

But Steve's reaction to my post, goes someway to explaining to me the American view of us. That we are not really important to them, and the fact that my Son has served with US service personnel lately, is of no value what so ever.