OT Bull Run & GB pics

[geofflambert]

Sorry to dwell on dead horses, but this is a pic taken after the battle of Trostle Farm. This is where Gen. Sickles was wounded on the second day. The horses were deliberately shot by the attacking Confederates to keep the Union from limbering the battery that was there and withdrawing it.




That's all I have from Gettysburg. As time permits I may do edits to add some narrative of the actions that occured in the areas covered in various pics.

[DD696]

You have rendered us a superb service is posting these and being able to remember what each picture represents.

Thank you!

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: agranel

Thank you very much. I'm from Spain, but I'm very interested about U.S. history and culture. I hope some day I'll go myself to see with my own eyes those battlefields, where thousands of american soldiers fought for their beliefs. And, please, excuse my bad english.

Your English sir is better than half us Yanks and the Rebels amongst us. No need to apologize.

[PizzaMan]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period? [;)]

I've walked it on the first week of July. By the road, it is about a 50' gain in elevation over the distance of 1000'. It is steeper and shorter in some areas, and longer and higher in others. With the heat and humidity of summer, you will feel it. Wear wool with 40 pounds on your back for the full effect.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: PizzaMan

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period? [;)]

I've walked it on the first week of July. By the road, it is about a 50' gain in elevation over the distance of 1000'. It is steeper and shorter in some areas, and longer and higher in others. With the heat and humidity of summer, you will feel it. Wear wool with 40 pounds on your back for the full effect.

That is higher than it looks. 2% grade. No doubt the wool in July heat and humidity would be painful. Would they generally carry their full packs during an assault?

[Ddog]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period? [;)]

The lay of the land near the ridge may not be the exact same same as it was during the battle as they had built an airport close to it at one time. Also not sure if people are aware that their used to be a Tank training facility in the area (Eisenhowers HQ building is still in Town) ....although not sure the exact area of the training facility, but I do know the airport was in close vicinity to McPherson's Ridge.

Got this from the net:

1918

Eisenhower is appointed to his first independent command at Camp Colt, an Army Tank Corps training center in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. He receives a temporary promotion to major, and then to lt. colonel on Oct. 14. World War I ends November

[PizzaMan]

ORIGINAL: Ddog

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period? [;)]

The lay of the land near the ridge may not be the exact same same as it was during the battle as they had built an airport close to it at one time. Also not sure if people are aware that their used to be a Tank training facility in the area (Eisenhowers HQ building is still in Town) ....although not sure the exact area of the training facility, but I do know the airport was in close vicinity to McPherson's Ridge.

Got this from the net:

1918

Eisenhower is appointed to his first independent command at Camp Colt, an Army Tank Corps training center in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. He receives a temporary promotion to major, and then to lt. colonel on Oct. 14. World War I ends November

The area from of McPherson's to the Run in the main battle area has been well preserved. The only damage to this area is on the reverse slope where GB College shaved off part of the Seminary Ridge to widen the railroad cut. There was outrage and demands to return the land to its natural state, but I've lost track of how that fight ended.

The areas to the south and west of the battle area has been developed, which includes a small airstrip.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

That is higher than it looks. 2% grade. No doubt the wool in July heat and humidity would be painful. Would they generally carry their full packs during an assault?

I'm not sure how prepared they were for what they would face once they crossed Willoughby Run. Don't think that much planning went into it. Anyway, I think this pic gives some idea of the drop, in my memory it was a pretty substantial valley at the Chambersburg Pike. Also, I can't speak to the uniforms of specific units at specific times, but while the Confederates did use wool, they had a plentiful supply of cotton and used it as well. I think they had something of an advantage in this area.

[Ddog]

ORIGINAL: PizzaMan

ORIGINAL: Ddog

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period? [;)]

The lay of the land near the ridge may not be the exact same same as it was during the battle as they had built an airport close to it at one time. Also not sure if people are aware that their used to be a Tank training facility in the area (Eisenhowers HQ building is still in Town) ....although not sure the exact area of the training facility, but I do know the airport was in close vicinity to McPherson's Ridge.

Got this from the net:

1918

Eisenhower is appointed to his first independent command at Camp Colt, an Army Tank Corps training center in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. He receives a temporary promotion to major, and then to lt. colonel on Oct. 14. World War I ends November

The area from of McPherson's to the Run in the main battle area has been well preserved. The only damage to this area is on the reverse slope where GB College shaved off part of the Seminary Ridge to widen the railroad cut. There was outrage and demands to return the land to its natural state, but I've lost track of how that fight ended.

The areas to the south and west of the battle area has been developed, which includes a small airstrip.

Hey PizzaMan not sure if you were aware of the Airport that was on the battlefield in the early 1900's that served Camp Colt. From Wiki (not the best source, but I was told the same story while standing on what used to be the runway by a Park Ranger) :

The Battlefield Airport was the Gettysburg Battlefield site of the Battlefield Airways, Inc. west of the Peach Orchard[1] between the Emmitsburg road[2] and Warfield Ridge. The corporation and airfield were operated in the 1920s by Herbert J. Fahy

[Mac Linehan]

geoff -

I am very impressed with your photographs and maps. Really enjoyed the tour!

Am deeply appreciative of your work and attention to detail.

Well done, Sir!

Mac

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: PizzaMan

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

McPherson's Ridge isnt very much of a ridge, is it? I have gopher burrows taller than that in my yard. Anyone know the elevation climb from Willoghby Run to McPherson Ridge?

I'm guessing the golf course West of Willoughby Run isn't period? [;)]

I've walked it on the first week of July. By the road, it is about a 50' gain in elevation over the distance of 1000'. It is steeper and shorter in some areas, and longer and higher in others. With the heat and humidity of summer, you will feel it. Wear wool with 40 pounds on your back for the full effect.

Throwing in another factor: although I have no idea about this place, many locales can undergo real changes (without the intervention of humans, I mean) in that span of time or even less. LOS could be very different now.

[geofflambert]

Back to human intervention, I'm reminded of Waterloo, where they dug out the area around Le Haye Saint to build that ridiculous huge mound. Wellington came for a visit and cried "What have you done to my battlefield?". [:@]

[PizzaMan]

ORIGINAL: Ddog

ORIGINAL: PizzaMan

ORIGINAL: Ddog





The lay of the land near the ridge may not be the exact same same as it was during the battle as they had built an airport close to it at one time. Also not sure if people are aware that their used to be a Tank training facility in the area (Eisenhowers HQ building is still in Town) ....although not sure the exact area of the training facility, but I do know the airport was in close vicinity to McPherson's Ridge.

Got this from the net:

1918

Eisenhower is appointed to his first independent command at Camp Colt, an Army Tank Corps training center in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. He receives a temporary promotion to major, and then to lt. colonel on Oct. 14. World War I ends November

The area from of McPherson's to the Run in the main battle area has been well preserved. The only damage to this area is on the reverse slope where GB College shaved off part of the Seminary Ridge to widen the railroad cut. There was outrage and demands to return the land to its natural state, but I've lost track of how that fight ended.

The areas to the south and west of the battle area has been developed, which includes a small airstrip.

Hey PizzaMan not sure if you were aware of the Airport that was on the battlefield in the early 1900's that served Camp Colt. From Wiki (not the best source, but I was told the same story while standing on what used to be the runway by a Park Ranger) :

The Battlefield Airport was the Gettysburg Battlefield site of the Battlefield Airways, Inc. west of the Peach Orchard[1] between the Emmitsburg road[2] and Warfield Ridge. The corporation and airfield were operated in the 1920s by Herbert J. Fahy

I believe this discussion is in regards to the McPherson's Ridge area.

[Ddog]

ORIGINAL: PizzaMan

ORIGINAL: Ddog

ORIGINAL: PizzaMan




The area from of McPherson's to the Run in the main battle area has been well preserved. The only damage to this area is on the reverse slope where GB College shaved off part of the Seminary Ridge to widen the railroad cut. There was outrage and demands to return the land to its natural state, but I've lost track of how that fight ended.

The areas to the south and west of the battle area has been developed, which includes a small airstrip.

Hey PizzaMan not sure if you were aware of the Airport that was on the battlefield in the early 1900's that served Camp Colt. From Wiki (not the best source, but I was told the same story while standing on what used to be the runway by a Park Ranger) :

The Battlefield Airport was the Gettysburg Battlefield site of the Battlefield Airways, Inc. west of the Peach Orchard[1] between the Emmitsburg road[2] and Warfield Ridge. The corporation and airfield were operated in the 1920s by Herbert J. Fahy

I believe this discussion is in regards to the McPherson's Ridge area.

Sorry for the bad info. The airport I am refering to is Gettysburg Airport. Which had two 1900' runways that were located west of Oak Ridge between Emmitsburg Pike and Mummasburg Rd.

[geofflambert]

Just thought I'd better repost here so this thread doesn't get lost. crsutton reminded me to do so because of his thread : tm.asp?m=3332082

Compare his pics to mine.

[Numdydar]

Both of you should post these over in the Forge of Freedom forum [:)]

[Justus2]

Just visited the Gettysburg battlefield on Monday, only had half a day enroute but did the audio tour and walked a few key spots. Amazing place, you can definitely sense the history (and the sacrifice, when you look at all the memorials). It was impressive to see the famous locales and the LOS from the high points, but to me the fascinating thing was seeing some of the wooded locales (20th Maine memorial, Culps Hill) and imagine how confusing/chaotic the fighting would have been, with battlefield smoke and no visibility through the trees.

[Lokasenna]

I was out hiking Bull Run in January. Beautiful place. I liked all the old ruined buildings.