War and Peas - Hortlund (J) vs. Canoe (A)

[Justus2]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Is there any reason I should not shut down industry in the Indian cities likely to be overrun in the near future? Calcutta, for instance....

I would guess it depends on current local stockpiles, if you have fuel and/or resources there, may as well let the HI run so it burns up whatever's there before he takes it. I don't know if you shut the HI off, will it stop fuel from getting railed there?

[DOCUP]

Ok which War and Peas room am I in now.  I might of made a wrong click along the way here.[:D]

[Canoerebel]

4/15/42

I know what you mean, DOCUP. I'm kinda hoping that spoof room I created disappears quickly and quietly.

Carriers: Main IO KB force is retiring east along the south coast (true) of Sumatra. There are many possibilities, one of which is Steve is hoping to suck my carriers into the Bay of Bengal on a raiding mission, from whence he can come in behind them and trap them in a box canyon. I'm moving my carriers north of Diego just in case his do move further east, on the chance they might cover an invasion of Port Blair or Oz. I'll raid if he's really gone.

Reinforcements: The Allies reinforcement convoys are clear of danger and will continue to India.

India: 4th IJA Division leaked through my surveillance efforts and roughed up part of an Indian division. 4th now threatens the rear of Calcutta, so I'll move out of the city.

China: (1) Lanchow sector - moves are underway, undoubtedly by both sides - but nothing obvious has occurred; (2) Changsha sector - the Allies are rolling the dice here in an effort to combine 4,200 AV against four enemy divisions in open terrain. My army comes from three bases. Two - the stacks at Siangtan and Hengyang - will cross the river in two days. The third, from Changsha, will arrive tomorrow. Some of my units are fairly disrupted by massive enemy air attacks in this sector of late. When my Changsha portion leaves the hex tomorrow, about 1400 AV will remain behind with 300 AV in reinforcements about three days away. The enemy has about six divisions at Changsha, so there is some risk here, but with four forts and the urban 2x multiplier, I think the base can stand. Is this a risk worth taking? I think so, as it will be rare to catch the enemy in the open with decent odds.

North America: Quiet. York and Sara are SW of Los Angeles. Arizona and Maryland are in the yards on the East Coast. California is enroute. Nevada is nearing Balboa. The final two Pearl Harbor survivors are still at Pearl and are likely to repair at Los Angeles or Alameda.

Oz: Quiet at the moment.

[BBfanboy]

Is Calcutta worth much in VPs? Perhaps his goal is just to grab more VP wherever he can on the map and try for auto-victory? When he gets close he bombs US industry regardless of bomber losses just to get over the 2X needed??

[Canoerebel]

4/16/42

Yes, Calcutta is worth alot of VP.

Carriers: KB is very close to the Sunda Straits. Allied carriers are heading north from Diego.

India: The Allies are pulling out of Calcutta. Once this happens its open season as finding good places to make stands is tough, though the Allies will try. We actually will have alot of infantry and some armor to work with, plus the 4EB, so I think we can slow Japan's advance pretty effectively.

China: All eyes on the Changsha sector tomorrow. The Changsha stack is in the hex with the four IJ divisions. The other two Chinese stacks are set to cross the river tomorrow. All units - about 4,100 AV - set to shock attack (my "other two" Chinese stacks have moved 8 miles each day in combat mode, so they had better continue tomorrow or I'm toast; and I might be toast anyhow). We leave behind only 1,000 AV in Changsha (for a day or two) behind four forts and 2x urban, facing four enemy divisions and a mixed brigade or two. That should hold. Many of my units crossing the river are pretty disrupted due to massed enemy air attacks, but so be it. I won't get many opportunities to gang up on Japanese infantry in the open. Go, boys, go!

North America: Quiet. Still getting lots of SigInt that various parts of 2nd Div. are inbound to Umnak Island. Coast watchers, which seem very, very useless in the game (I get lots of absurd reports that I know can't be true so that what I do get is essentially worthless) report CVL Ryujo at Alliford Bay. If that is true it could be that Akagi and Kaga (and Junyo?) are still in theater. That would surprise me, but I'm watching.

Oz: Momentarily quiet.

Antartica: Secure.

Key West: Warm and sunny.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Antarctica: Secure.

The Greyjoy place names syndrome spreads ....

[Canoerebel]

That's me, your friendly neighborhood editor.

By the way, 116th IJA Div. showed up in far west China. (That's one of the good Kwantung units NYGiants mentioned yesterday). I've emailed Steve to ask him if he's paying to transfer units. I certainly hope he is. If he isn't we seem to be playing with different notions of propriety and frankly discussing what's pushing the envelope.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

LOL. Can anybody explain what I meant?

Here's my best effort: It is common, especially amongst American men, to refer to something called "the pucker factor." In general, this means when you are startled, or worried, or frightened, or nervous, you "pucker up." While "pucker" generally refers to one's lips in American lexicon (as in, "he puckered his lips to give her a big kiss") in the way I spoke of it refers to the rectum, in the sense that you feel a definite tightening in that region when something startling happens.

In other words, I'm worried.

Ah, I see! [:D]

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Key West: Warm and sunny.

Oh sure, yuck it up now, but it won't be so funny when the Japs take Port Stanley by coup de main and then show up at Key West a week later. You already admitted you lost track of at least 2 carriers. You have your Indian Ocean blinders on, amigo.


I don't think Ernest Hemingway and his bar buddies will be enough to deter the Imperial Marines.

[Canoerebel]

Somebody might want to suggest changing the name of the "community but not CR and PzH" thread. I clicked on it again thinking it was my thread. All I saw before I realized I was in the wrong place was a post by Dan Nicols about the "no house rules" agreement, so no harm done. But it's the kind of thing that will eventually create a problem through confusion, I think.

[Cribtop]

Oh sure, yuck it up now, but it won't be so funny when the Japs take Port Stanley by coup de main and then show up at Key West a week later. You already admitted you lost track of at least 2 carriers. You have your Indian Ocean blinders on, amigo.


I don't think Ernest Hemingway and his bar buddies will be enough to deter the Imperial Marines.

End homemade quote by Cap Mandrake............ (don't you hate it when you reply to a post and don't feel the need to use the quote feature 'cause you'll be next and it will be obvious, but then someone else is quicker on the draw and posts first, and then you kick over the next page and have to "Aggie quote." Well, I hate it.)

They could, however, stop one U-Boat. If it was already sunk. And the crew was holed up in Cuba. And if protagonist was sober enough to shoot straight. And if the hot love interest doesn't distract him. And stuff.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Key West: Warm and sunny.

Oh sure, yuck it up now, but it won't be so funny when the Japs take Port Stanley by coup de main and then show up at Key West a week later. You already admitted you lost track of at least 2 carriers. You have your Indian Ocean blinders on, amigo.


I don't think Ernest Hemingway and his bar buddies will be enough to deter the Imperial Marines.

He can always bring in Bogie from Key Largo. Dibs on Lauren Bacall for my secretary - you and Adm. Lord Sprior seem to already have yours picked out!

[paullus99]

Canoe - a quote from Grant comes to mind at this point, during the worst part of the Battle of the Wilderness.....are you perhaps too worried about what your opponent is going to do & not enough on what you are going to do?

[Canoerebel]

Wouldn't that make me McClellan or Rosecrans?

Yes, I admit I'm very worried about what PH will do. That hinders me in some ways. On the other hand, getting frisky will be lethal if I make a mistake. If I lose my carriers or if I blow a hole in my own Chinese MLR, things will get very, very ugly.

I think I'm just reaching the point now where I'm at the genesis of truly thinking on the offensive. I have ideas both in India and NoPac (and China, though I've always had ideas there, they just haven't come to fruition mostly).

Point take, Paullus. Thanks.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

That's me, your friendly neighborhood editor.

By the way, 116th IJA Div. showed up in far west China. (That's one of the good Kwantung units NYGiants mentioned yesterday). I've emailed Steve to ask him if he's paying to transfer units. I certainly hope he is. If he isn't we seem to be playing with different notions of propriety and frankly discussing what's pushing the envelope.

Question to resolve something in the other, peanut, thread: Did you pay PPs to put the USMC units into India? Or the US Army units into Oz?

[Walloc]

Just to clarify for the same thread. Were those units unrestricted or not.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

[Canoerebel]

Well, you can't load restricted units aboard transports until you pay the PP to "buy" them. Thus, I paid for 27th Division. I think the Marines and the two RCT of 40th Division were unrestricted.

I would not move restricted Indian units into Burma or further without buying them. Or, I should say, I traditionally haven't and wouldn't in this game unless Steve insisted on not having a House Rule.

But Steve said via email that he did pay for the Kwangtun units before moving them into China.

[desicat]

Wouldn't that make me McClellan or Rosecrans?

Since you have decided to don the "Blue", you may prefer to be Gen Thomas more than the other two you mentioned.

Thomas had a successful record in the Civil War, but he failed to achieve the historical acclaim of some of his contemporaries, such as Ulysses S. Grant (Nemo) and William T. Sherman (Greyjoy). He developed a reputation as a slow, deliberate general who shunned self-promotion and who turned down advancements in position when he did not think they were justified. After the war, he did not write memoirs to advance his legacy. He also had an uncomfortable personal relationship with Grant, which served him poorly as Grant advanced in rank and eventually to the presidency.

General George Henry Thomas

[Canoerebel]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

...If I lose my carriers or if I blow a hole in my own Chinese MLR, things will get very, very ugly.

Wow, did I really just say this last night, while waiting for this turn to come in? I'm omniscient or preescient or something!

1. My Changsha shock attacked failed pretty miserably, with the Chinese losing more than 300 squads. I'll have to retire and hope that something bad doesn't happen in the meantime (fortunately, the IJ shock attack at Changhsa failed; I really don't think there's any short-term risk there, because the Japanese army is roughed up and reinforcements are just one day away).

2. CV Indomitable took a sub-torp with an "ammo storage explosion." I can't open the next-turn file any time soon, so I don't know if the damage was fatal, mortal, or just serious. Ouch.

On a separate note, Steve employed 2nd Raiding Regiment at Changsha to get the para-assault odds modifier. We've already had extensive discussions on this aspect of the game, with mutually-agreed limitations imposed. I hope this wasn't some 5-AV fragment. If it's 40 AV well-prepped for Changsha, that would be fine. If it's 5-AV lobbed into the fray, that would be against what we mutually agreed upon.

I'm teaching today and then we have a big graduation party for my oldest son, with out-of-town company, so I'm committed until we wrap up the festivities. In the meantime, you guys offer up some kind thoughts for the Chinese and healing for Indomitable.

[princep01]

CR, while we all make little typos and grammar errors in our messages, sometimes I think the spirit of Greyjoy guides your hand:).
 
About your Northern Pacific thoughts.  I fully endorse a major effort to reclaim the main VP objectives in that area before the end of 1942.  If you go this route.  It appears more and more likely that this was a only an effort to grab points and to MAYBE catch some CVs in the process.  I hope you have analyzed the possibilty that he is playing for an auto victory at the end of '42.  I think he is.
 
So, because you seem inclined to retreat in India, thus surrendering a large number of VPs there, retaking the objectives with high point value in the N. Pacific would seem a must.  Perhaps you have analyzed this and KNOW he cannot achieve his ultimate VP goal...if so, I stand down, properly chastised.  But, he knows your style of play and I think he is taking advantage of it.  Do the math, my friend.....and jump his butt out of the high VP objectives in the north.  Remember, Winter is Coming.
 
So, my new motto....CR, King in the North!!! (Greyjoy and perhaps others will get this)