Val - Judy: To upgrade or not to upgrade

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Judy.  SR only matters after a few days of op's.  MOST CV battles are decided on the first day.  Longer range and bigger bomb matter, SR is minor point.

PS: as pointed out above, the Val was obsolete in '41. Think Stuka ... too old, too slow, too short legged, and too little bomb.

Only the Stuka carried a 500kg (1100 lbs) bomb, making it slightly more useful if it actually made it to the target.

No doubt the Val was a good airplane when it first went into service, but was a deathtrap by mid '43.

[FatR]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Judy.  SR only matters after a few days of op's.  MOST CV battles are decided on the first day.  Longer range and bigger bomb matter, SR is minor point.

PS: as pointed out above, the Val was obsolete in '41. Think Stuka ... too old, too slow, too short legged, and too little bomb.

Speed and particularly range of D3A were good for 1941-42 (the game undersells it somewhat, IMO, or, rather, gives its SBD excessive normal range with its maximum payload). Its only major flaw was relatively light bombload (370kg max, 250 normal). Like many Japanese planes it suffered in 1943 and later from insufficient improvements to its engine and delays with mass production of its intended replacement (D4Y was supposed to enter production somewhere in late 1942, but only appeared in significant numbers during the Battle of Philippine Sea, AFAIK).

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Judy.  SR only matters after a few days of op's.  MOST CV battles are decided on the first day.  Longer range and bigger bomb matter, SR is minor point.

PS: as pointed out above, the Val was obsolete in '41. Think Stuka ... too old, too slow, too short legged, and too little bomb.

+1 on the Val's vulneability. My CAP and AA [Marianas Scenario] shot them down in droves.
Judys - maybe a third as many for the same numbers attacking.

[SuluSea]

After thinking about it I think I'll make a change to my R&D and put the two factories earmarked for D3A2/D5Y1 upgrade into the DY4 program and get the D4Y4 a little bit earlier.


To quote Dombo--

Imagine DB's with 800KG bombs on your carriers*! Oh it's good to be a JFB



*slight drawback: your CV's most likely are sunk by this date.......

Yes it is!! HEHEHE[:)][;)]

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Judy.  SR only matters after a few days of op's.  MOST CV battles are decided on the first day.  Longer range and bigger bomb matter, SR is minor point.

PS: as pointed out above, the Val was obsolete in '41. Think Stuka ... too old, too slow, too short legged, and too little bomb.

Only the Stuka carried a 500kg (1100 lbs) bomb, making it slightly more useful if it actually made it to the target.

I forgot that (about the Stuka). Had to go back to the flight manual. Balance had to be terrible with it though ...

[Atilla60]

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

To quote Dombo--

Imagine DB's with 800KG bombs on your carriers*! Oh it's good to be a JFB



*slight drawback: your CV's most likely are sunk by this date.......

Yes it is!! HEHEHE[:)][;)]

Technicality [:)]

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Judy.  SR only matters after a few days of op's.  MOST CV battles are decided on the first day.  Longer range and bigger bomb matter, SR is minor point.

PS: as pointed out above, the Val was obsolete in '41. Think Stuka ... too old, too slow, too short legged, and too little bomb.

Only the Stuka carried a 500kg (1100 lbs) bomb, making it slightly more useful if it actually made it to the target.

I forgot that (about the Stuka). Had to go back to the flight manual. Balance had to be terrible with it though ...

Just that your manual tells that one possible bombload was 1x1000kg bomb, even though it says "bombloads with 1000kg or 500kg have to be avoided if possible".

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Historiker


Just that your manual tells that one possible bombload was 1x1000kg bomb, even though it says "bombloads with 1000kg or 500kg have to be avoided if possible".

I understood that, hence my comment that the balance had to be terrible. And no doubt shortened the range considerably. Still, the fact that they could get airborne with those loads ... pretty impressive.

[Historiker]

one 1.800kg bomb was also possible. [8D]

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Judy.  SR only matters after a few days of op's.  MOST CV battles are decided on the first day.  Longer range and bigger bomb matter, SR is minor point.

PS: as pointed out above, the Val was obsolete in '41. Think Stuka ... too old, too slow, too short legged, and too little bomb.

Only the Stuka carried a 500kg (1100 lbs) bomb, making it slightly more useful if it actually made it to the target.

I forgot that (about the Stuka). Had to go back to the flight manual. Balance had to be terrible with it though ...

Being that the Stuka had all the characteristics of a flying brick to start with, would you really notice it that much? [:D]