[WIP] EVE Online & DUST 514 MOD (Update:Modding Diary 6/7)

[ehsumrell1]

Well HURRY UP, my dear Eva, chat it up and get some more posts under your belt
because you are doing AWESOME work!!!!!!
[:D]

[Kalthaniell]

[X(] Yeah, I don't even know what to say. That's the best, most vivid, visually attractive, awesome, detailed and professional mod update summary I have ever seen. WOW. I feel like a noob modder now I remember Quadro making some really cool previews for ME mod but this is just crazy good!

Man, we need to get more Koreans making mods for this game

[Frildin]

I can't wait for this mod. I'm a huge fan of Eve and a long-term player (on break at the moment but returning soon because 5 years active playtime obviously isn't enough [:D]) It looks fantastic with what you've done so far and I look forward to seeing it develop further. I can see myself playing with this for months when it's officially released.

[dostillevi]

Incredible! And here I thought it'd be cool if I added a few shipsets from EVE.. and it turns out I wasn't even the first to think of that. This is awesome, and I can't wait to pick it apart and add all the new races and other bits into my own personal mashup mod. I hope the soon to be announced expansion doesn't break this and all the other awesome mods too badly!

[Gareth_Bryne]

My dear eva lilith, it seems that by the looks of it you are quite ready for the new expansion with pirate factions

[Nedrear]

The new expansions allows us to add pirate "factions" instead of raiders? Did Elliot say that already... guess I missed that. Let's see how I can add that in my mod too.

About the mod:

Beautiful quickstart and a nice pace. Even though most of its content is an adjustment from an MMO which only needs a collection and conveyance, the work behind adding the pictures and writing designs and dialogues is quite huge for all of these big theme mods like Star Trek or Mass Effect. But considering the speed and time it consumed to get there already it is not only a good work so far. Its a brilliant result.

Though now that I think about it... do you want to edit the dialogues to match the factions? It is nothing personel, but you said your English needs some polishing. Maybe you should get a proof reader for these? I am sure someone here is native to English and interested in Eve to help you.

[eva lilith]

ehumrell, Kalthaniell, Gareth
thank you! really appreciate it! [:)]
important thing is..How does it work ingame..[8|]

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Frildin, Dostillevi
oh hi Capsuleers [:D] and Thank you guys!

i was almost finish all factions shipset,,
problem is..'ship's scale..'
ships scale is not matching EVE..[:(]
is unacceptable...to me..
seems to ..many modder is trying to find a solution this problem,can't find not yet..[:(]

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ORIGINAL: Nedrear
Though now that I think about it... do you want to edit the dialogues to match the factions? It is nothing personel, but you said your English needs some polishing. Maybe you should get a proof reader for these? I am sure someone here is native to English and interested in Eve to help you.

Thanks for your Opinion & advice..[:)]
you're absolutely right..
dialogues, event messages, that works need english skill...

Actually, Why i am here,
DW is very awesome game..but not much popular in korea..( maybe.. in world...)
Does NOT even exist distant worlds forum in Korea..[:(]
so im vist here, updating my mod & progress..(can not even write English well..)

i think..i will find someone to help me.. or released Korea first and then coming back after english translation work..
i'll think abou this..

thanks anyway

[Atridij]

This looks just so amazing... [&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o]

[dostillevi]

Good luck with the scaling issue! I'd love more realism in this area too, but realistically the ships would be invisible if they were scaled according to the planet sizes, and the frigates would be next to invisible compared to supercaps.

ORIGINAL: eva lilith
Frildin, Dostillevi
oh hi Capsuleers [:D] and Thank you guys!

i was almost finish all factions shipset,,
problem is..'ship's scale..'
ships scale is not matching EVE..[:(]
is unacceptable...to me..
seems to ..many modder is trying to find a solution this problem,can't find not yet..[:(]

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: dostillevi

Good luck with the scaling issue! I'd love more realism in this area too, but realistically the ships would be invisible if they were scaled according to the planet sizes, and the frigates would be next to invisible compared to supercaps.

ORIGINAL: eva lilith
Frildin, Dostillevi
oh hi Capsuleers [:D] and Thank you guys!

i was almost finish all factions shipset,,
problem is..'ship's scale..'
ships scale is not matching EVE..[:(]
is unacceptable...to me..
seems to ..many modder is trying to find a solution this problem,can't find not yet..[:(]

I think it helps to think in the terms of a leader looking at a top down view of the map with assistants pushing around little ship models on the map, ala WWII style strategic planning maps. Watch some of the old naval war movies to get a sense of what I am talking about.

In other words, I'm not actually at the battle, just getting a simulated relay of what's going on, and in order for me to see it better, the ships have been enlarged.

[Igard]

Eva, loving the presentation here. This looks fantastic!

ORIGINAL: eva lilith
i was almost finish all factions shipset,,
problem is..'ship's scale..'
ships scale is not matching EVE..[:(]
is unacceptable...to me..
seems to ..many modder is trying to find a solution this problem,can't find not yet..[:(]

The ship scaling issue was discussed in this thread :- http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2513492

Unfortunately the images Lordxorn posted have gone down.

What we found is that you can make a ship look smaller by adding more opaque pixels to the image. If you reduce the opacity of these pixels (more transparent), you can make the ship look much smaller and still see the stars and other objects behind as the ship passes.

A problem with this is when the ship takes damage. The damage texture will appear over the semi-transparent pixels.

The major problem is that we can't make ships appear larger. This is why there are no Borg in my mods.[:(]

I'm really hoping we can customise ship scale with the new expansion. Let's wait and see... [:)]

[Kalthaniell]

Is there going to be gangnam style eve online remix in the music soundtrack? [:D]


sry I just had to ask :P:P:P

[Frildin]

@Shark7 I've pretty much felt the same way about most strategy games, as far back as Age of Empires. Would see a basic villager standing beside a house and think "Man, there's no way I could fit ten of him in there. Must be scaled up." Always a good thing to laugh about though. Easily understandable why they do it to be fair. It would be really annoying trying to find your units when they're one or two pixels in size.

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: Frildin

@Shark7 I've pretty much felt the same way about most strategy games, as far back as Age of Empires. Would see a basic villager standing beside a house and think "Man, there's no way I could fit ten of him in there. Must be scaled up." Always a good thing to laugh about though. Easily understandable why they do it to be fair. It would be really annoying trying to find your units when they're one or two pixels in size.

Exactly. Just think of yourself as the commander deep inside the ship's CIC and your disbelief is easily suspended. [;)]

[eva lilith]

Atridij
thank you! Atridij! [:)]

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ORIGINAL: Igard

The ship scaling issue was discussed in this thread :- matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2513492

Unfortunately the images Lordxorn posted have gone down.

What we found is that you can make a ship look smaller by adding more opaque pixels to the image. If you reduce the opacity of these pixels (more transparent), you can make the ship look much smaller and still see the stars and other objects behind as the ship passes.

A problem with this is when the ship takes damage. The damage texture will appear over the semi-transparent pixels.

The major problem is that we can't make ships appear larger. This is why there are no Borg in my mods.[:(]

I'm really hoping we can customise ship scale with the new expansion. Let's wait and see... [:)]

Thanks Igard!
I already had seen before that discussion post
that was BIg HELP to me!
I was very impressed by your pro modder mind and achievements

really appreciate it! [:)]

ps) i wish to see your Borg ship in your Startrek mod asap!!

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ORIGINAL: dostillevi

Good luck with the scaling issue! I'd love more realism in this area too, but realistically the ships would be invisible if they were scaled according to the planet sizes, and the frigates would be next to invisible compared to supercaps.

ORIGINAL: Shark7
I think it helps to think in the terms of a leader looking at a top down view of the map with assistants pushing around little ship models on the map, ala WWII style strategic planning maps. Watch some of the old naval war movies to get a sense of what I am talking about.

In other words, I'm not actually at the battle, just getting a simulated relay of what's going on, and in order for me to see it better, the ships have been enlarged.

ORIGINAL: Frildin

@Shark7 I've pretty much felt the same way about most strategy games, as far back as Age of Empires. Would see a basic villager standing beside a house and think "Man, there's no way I could fit ten of him in there. Must be scaled up." Always a good thing to laugh about though. Easily understandable why they do it to be fair. It would be really annoying trying to find your units when they're one or two pixels in size.

yeah thats right..
i 100% agree with you guys talking about [:)]
i just dont want to disappoint someone eve fan playing this mod..
i should not think TOO much this scale issue [:)]

Actually, i & Igard said 'Scale' is...

(i cant write english well... so..here is some sample image..)


- 1st image(O mark) not maching to reality of EVE,, but it's ok
- 2nd image(X mark) is 'scale issue' ingame...

-"the way that ship images are measured (so that they can be drawn at the proper scale) is by comparing the total number of non-transparent pixels in the image to the overall size of the image.
Thus an image of 100 x 100 pixels with a long skinny ship drawn on it, might have 2000 non-transparent pixels on it's total area of 10000 pixels - thus a coverage of 20%.
So when a ship using this image is drawn it will likely be scaled up in size relative to another ship image that might have 50% coverage"
-elliotg


but...
i think... you guys right.. that is better point of view
i should not think TOO much this scale issues anymore..
..Besides.. NO WAY to Fix this issue..anyway (yet..) [:D]

Thanks Guys!

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ORIGINAL: Kalthaniell

Is there going to be gangnam style eve online remix in the music soundtrack? [:D]
sry I just had to ask :P:P:P

[:D] [:D]

PSY's Gangnam style..[:D]
how do you know that song?
i heard that..Enew sometimes, but didn't know that really that popular in world..

BTW yesterday, i was play your ME mod!
that was really GREAT!
wait, i will visit & write your ME post...wait a moments [:)]

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[Shark7]

Also, IIRC as you build ships in game, they will scale some based on the space used.

IE a Frigate at 250 space will scale up slightly larger visually compared to a frigate at 125 space. Not sure if this is the case anymore, but I do seem to remember this being the case in the original game.

[Kalthaniell]

ORIGINAL: eva lilith

PSY's Gangnam style..
how do you know that song?
i heard that..Enew sometimes, but didn't know that really that popular in world..

BTW yesterday, i was play your ME mod!
that was really GREAT!
wait, i will visit & write your ME post...wait a moments

You kidding?! Everyone knows this song![:D] It's awesome It's very catchy and hilarious at the same time, not mentioning the amazing choreography[:D]





Regarding the scaling issue:
I remember someone was experimenting with putting 250x250 ships in 1000x1000 transparent pics, which in theory should resolve the scaling problem. However, I'm not sure if such big pictures (although transparent) were slowing down the game loading time. Can anyone recall what was the result of the experiment?

[Igard]

ORIGINAL: Kalthaniell
Regarding the scaling issue:
I remember someone was experimenting with putting 250x250 ships in 1000x1000 transparent pics, which in theory should resolve the scaling problem. However, I'm not sure if such big pictures (although transparent) were slowing down the game loading time. Can anyone recall what was the result of the experiment?

If I recall correctly, it made no difference to the size of the ship. It's as if the game ignores the outside border of transparent pixels.

[tjhkkr]

This looks like an extraordinary fine piece of work... WOW.

[shinobu]

I absolutely love that Gallente Nyx- very cool ship!