Moving res/oil from N China

[michaelm75au]

I think the Japanese player seems to have a better time with resource movement from Urumchi based on past saves I have looked at.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: michaelm

I think the Japanese player seems to have a better time with resource movement from Urumchi based on past saves I have looked at.

That would make sense as the IJ player is generally in a position to expend some supply to help it, the allies aren't when they need it. Later in the game, the allies don't care! [;)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

As far as my limited experience goes, fuel moves, but not that far. Same goes for the myth that says that fuel hauled in Singapore ca run all the way to Port Arthur is the road is clear from enemy units... it doesn't.
I am not 100% positive, but i haven't read a single post saying "Yes, it happens in my game"

Sorry, it can and does. Many people do it. No one has suggested that it is easy or that it happens overnight. You have to understand the alogrithm and be very careful in making sure that you are using it to your advantage. Tedious? yes. Beneficial? Oh, yeah.

PS: See Nash's post above for someone who does it. There are quite a few others as well.

Pax, i think i understood now what you mean. What you've posted in the other thread about how this "magic" works seems now clear to my eyes...

However, the more i think of it, the more i don't "like" the overall idea. Convoys bringing oil and fuel from the SRA were one of the most important assets (and targets!) in the whole conflict...taking them out of the equation really seems strange to me...and it takes away a lot of "flavour" of the game.
Also i don't think it's fair towards the allied opponent... i remember playing with Rader the frustration i had not to be able to find any convoy...he probably used this strategy to bring everything to Fusan...

I think i'll stick with the "old way"... anyway thank you so much for having explained how it works...this game is really a gem!!!!

[Puhis]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


However, the more i think of it, the more i don't "like" the overall idea. Convoys bringing oil and fuel from the SRA were one of the most important assets (and targets!) in the whole conflict...taking them out of the equation really seems strange to me...and it takes away a lot of "flavour" of the game.
Also i don't think it's fair towards the allied opponent... i remember playing with Rader the frustration i had not to be able to find any convoy...he probably used this strategy to bring everything to Fusan...

+1

It shouldn't be possible in this game. IRL it wasn't possible, there was no roads, railroads and capacity.

So I won't even try to use it. IMO it's just wrong.

[Grfin Zeppelin]

Dunno but for me all that convoy managing is really fun. I will stick with it.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Puhis

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


However, the more i think of it, the more i don't "like" the overall idea. Convoys bringing oil and fuel from the SRA were one of the most important assets (and targets!) in the whole conflict...taking them out of the equation really seems strange to me...and it takes away a lot of "flavour" of the game.
Also i don't think it's fair towards the allied opponent... i remember playing with Rader the frustration i had not to be able to find any convoy...he probably used this strategy to bring everything to Fusan...

+1

It shouldn't be possible in this game. IRL it wasn't possible, there was no roads, railroads and capacity.

So I won't even try to use it. IMO it's just wrong.

It was possible, they were doing it by wars end and the "roads"* existed then. You're thinking by todays western standards, not by how things were (and are) done in China and SE Asia. Think Ho Chi Minh Trail .... If you doubt, all I can say is that you have to have been there and seen/lived it to really understand what is capable and not capable of being done.

Americans and Europeans just can't conceive it. We think a large assembly is 10,000 people. In China, that's called a normal city block of people. Have you ever actually seen 1,000,000 people gathered in one location? How about 2,000,000? Not in a city, but I mean in a single location like a park. You have to see this to start comprehend it.

*roads were not by US Army Corp of Engr standards ... but by standards of the area and era, they existed and were in common use.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

As far as my limited experience goes, fuel moves, but not that far. Same goes for the myth that says that fuel hauled in Singapore ca run all the way to Port Arthur is the road is clear from enemy units... it doesn't.
I am not 100% positive, but i haven't read a single post saying "Yes, it happens in my game"

Sorry, it can and does. Many people do it. No one has suggested that it is easy or that it happens overnight. You have to understand the alogrithm and be very careful in making sure that you are using it to your advantage. Tedious? yes. Beneficial? Oh, yeah.

PS: See Nash's post above for someone who does it. There are quite a few others as well.

Pax, i think i understood now what you mean. What you've posted in the other thread about how this "magic" works seems now clear to my eyes...

However, the more i think of it, the more i don't "like" the overall idea. Convoys bringing oil and fuel from the SRA were one of the most important assets (and targets!) in the whole conflict...taking them out of the equation really seems strange to me...and it takes away a lot of "flavour" of the game.
Also i don't think it's fair towards the allied opponent... i remember playing with Rader the frustration i had not to be able to find any convoy...he probably used this strategy to bring everything to Fusan...

I think i'll stick with the "old way"... anyway thank you so much for having explained how it works...this game is really a gem!!!!

One of the great parts of the game is that everyone can play their style. As long as no one is "insisting" I play their style, all is good.

Me? I worked this out almost two years ago ... I actually haven't been playing much since then. Working out other aspects of the game as time permits, and it doesn't permit that much. [:(] But then, I have a (now) 3 yo son, and he will only be 3 yo once, and I am very fortunate to be able to spend what time I have left with him. Yeah, old f@rt like me with a 3yo! Hey, life is like that and I am very lucky that it is. [8D]

[nashvillen]

In my game Urumchi produces 290 oil a day (21 are damaged and have not been repaired, too much supply needed), and from that with 12 refineries produces 108 fuel and 12 supply a day with 170 oil surplus. Over a month (30 days), this is 3240 fuel and 360 supply with 5100 oil.

Here is the last 50 or so days of data from Tracker. You can see that the Supply level is slowly going up from the low to mid 200s to at or near 300. The Fuel level is right around 22k, and the Oil is in the mid to upper 3500's. This does indicate that the produced Fuel/Oil is going somewhere.

[jmalter]

i would sorta expect that the Sovs are most likely to benefit from commodities produced at Urumchi. being closest, i think they get the 1st draw.

i've got 2 tales to tell:

- 1st, i've noticed when shipping supply/fuel from Cape Town to Perth, the supply at Perth gets sucked out quickly to other points in Oz, the fuel takes longer to move.

- 2nd, i just had a mini-crisis of supply for my Allied base at Loyang. too many transport ops-losses forced me to stand down my Ledo air-bridge, at the same time the bases between Sian & Urumchi were transferring to IJ control. no IJ LCU were involved in this xfer, it looked like it was a variant of 'rowboat brigade' occupation of nearby island bases, where one's 'sphere of influence' can capture a nearby un-occupied base. i sent Chinese LCUs north from Sian, when they arrived at the IJ-controlled bases, they didn't encounter IJ LCU, and i re-established control of the bases. shortly after, my troops at Loyang were drawing enough supply. mostly this was due to re-starting the air-bridge, but i think at least part of it was b/c i'd cleared the major-road to Urumchi & put the intervening bases back under Allied control.

[michaelm75au]

There was a bug (prior to patch 6) where Singapore could send fuel to a base, who then could pass it on to the next base, etc making a nice chain thru China. This passing of the 'baton' could mostly happen in ONE day, and you could get the fuel/oil/resource moving across the map.
It was changed in patch 6 to only allow the amounts that were in the base at the start of the supply phase to be moved. The arriving fuel/oil/res will be added to the base at end of the phase. Thus you can still move fuel from Singapore to China, but it will take a longer time.

[Puhis]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Puhis

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


However, the more i think of it, the more i don't "like" the overall idea. Convoys bringing oil and fuel from the SRA were one of the most important assets (and targets!) in the whole conflict...taking them out of the equation really seems strange to me...and it takes away a lot of "flavour" of the game.
Also i don't think it's fair towards the allied opponent... i remember playing with Rader the frustration i had not to be able to find any convoy...he probably used this strategy to bring everything to Fusan...

+1

It shouldn't be possible in this game. IRL it wasn't possible, there was no roads, railroads and capacity.

So I won't even try to use it. IMO it's just wrong.

It was possible, they were doing it by wars end and the "roads"* existed then.

No. We are not talking about rice cakes, rifle ammo and spare parts. Japan needed 12000 tons of crude oil/fuel each day. Not even millions of chinese can help you transport thousands of tons of crude oil each.

IRL tanker were the only way to transport notable amount of crude oil/fuel. Unfortunately game does have different reality.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Puhis

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Puhis




+1

It shouldn't be possible in this game. IRL it wasn't possible, there was no roads, railroads and capacity.

So I won't even try to use it. IMO it's just wrong.

It was possible, they were doing it by wars end and the "roads"* existed then.

No. We are not talking about rice cakes, rifle ammo and spare parts. Japan needed 12000 tons of crude oil/fuel each day. Not even millions of chinese can help you transport thousands of tons of crude oil each.

IRL tanker were the only way to transport notable amount of crude oil/fuel. Unfortunately game does have different reality.

Opinions do vary ... again.


Still what's nice is that the game allows everyone to play their reality. [;)]