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[Missouri_Rebel]

We had a vote Michael while you were away and it looks like you were overruled and I am in. Now be a nice lad and send me all available material.


My mother told me her biggest wish for me in life was for me to become a WiF beta tester. I guess I'll have to call her and tell her the bad news. It's gonna break her heart I hope you know.


Of course you were probably scared I'd mop you up in my very first ever WiF game. I might not.

mo reb

[michaelbaldur]

funny joke, but then again its not.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

We had a vote Michael while you were away and it looks like you were overruled and I am in. Now be a nice lad and send me all available material.


My mother told me her biggest wish for me in life was for me to become a WiF beta tester. I guess I'll have to call her and tell her the bad news. It's gonna break her heart I hope you know.


Of course you were probably scared I'd mop you up in my very first ever WiF game. I might not.

mo reb

warspite1

Mo Reb, why not send a PM to Steve, see what he thinks. Might be worth a try.

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

We had a vote Michael while you were away and it looks like you were overruled and I am in. Now be a nice lad and send me all available material.


My mother told me her biggest wish for me in life was for me to become a WiF beta tester. I guess I'll have to call her and tell her the bad news. It's gonna break her heart I hope you know.


Of course you were probably scared I'd mop you up in my very first ever WiF game. I might not.

mo reb

warspite1

Mo Reb, why not send a PM to Steve, see what he thinks. Might be worth a try.

Ah, the man has his health to deal with and enough on his plate. I won't pester him.

But thanks warspite. I thought it a good idea.

mo reb

[Extraneous]

Oh my post came back (it happens sometimes)

warspite1

This is bizarre.

1) I am giving a high level view on WIF - not MWIF. The counters I am describing are as per WIF.

2) If my passing a positive opinion on the MWIF maps, that Steve has agreed may be posted, is against my NDA then you got me "bang to rights".
3) Just curious, but why you are bringing this up now rather than the numerous times the map has been mentioned before (and commented upon by some of the Beta Testers - see below for just one example?

1) "but the superb MWIF map sorts that little problem out . The counters are exceptionally good - NATO symbols for the army, silhouettes for the ships, and full colour camoflagued aircraft. Playing with SIF and PIF is a must for me as these excellent counters really add to gaming experience."

Where do you change from MWiF back to WiF? The way it is written I read it this is all MWiF.

Again, posting opinions/reviews is not allowed. I can't post mine you can't post yours.

You should have written it like this
"The WIF counters are exceptionally good - NATO symbols for the army, silhouettes for the ships, and full color camouflaged aircraft. Playing with SIF and PIF is a must for me as these excellent counters really add to gaming experience looks fantastic."


2) Again, posting opinions/reviews is not allowed. I can't post mine you can't post yours.

3) Check the MWiF Beta Testers Forums for permissions for maps and screenshots.

ORIGINAL: Cad908

Mo Reb,

Here is a link to the final edition rules with the examples included. The one on ADG's website for some reason does not include the graphics. It was done by a fan, and I would give credit if I knew his / her name.

http://manlig.org/wif/RaW-7mAug2004.pdf

This RAW forms the basis of the game.

Two other documents:

1) Rules as Coded (RAC) Some 98% of RAC is directly from RAW. It provides clarifications to the rules and the transition form a paper game to the computer one.
Players Manual (PM) Details sequence of play and all the forms used in MWIF, along with many other goodies are part of MWIF... The timing of their release is up to Matrix.


-Rob

1) Did you get permission to post percentages? Again, posting opinions/reviews is not allowed. I can't post mine you can't post yours.

Slurs and innuendoes
warspite1
Goodbye cruel world
The Matrix police

Empire101
We found the secret protocols of the NDA on the body of the Paradox secret agent in the lake.... Its all over...
By the way, who appointed you to police this forum??

paulderynck
You have absolutely no idea how much your approval of what I wrote means to me.

Yes I do paulderynck .

ORIGINAL: Empire101

1) Slurs and innuendoes??!!

Who is this aimed at??

Everyone has been more than polite.

2) If anyone needs to apologize, its you for getting the wrong end of the stick, and saying you are sorry to Warspite.

3) By the way, who appointed you to police this forum??

4) All of this nonsense should have been done by PM between Warspite, Steve & yourself ( if there ever was any basis for your accusations, which there are not )....a gentleman would not have blown all this up in full view of the community.

Empire101

1) See list above. If you missed it that was sarcasm from paulderynck .

2) Apologize to warspite1 for what?

3) I have been trying to help see you all don't get in trouble with your NDA while you all taking this as a personal affront for some reason.

4) I refuse to PM the entire Beta Test Team and Steve monitors these forums.

4) I am not a Noble, a member of the landed gentry, a man of independent means, or a valet.


I have been trying to help see you all don't get in trouble with your NDA while you all taking this as a personal affront for some reason.


michaelbaldur the voice of reason. I agree take a breather and calm down.



And for those that missed it...

I have been trying to help see you all don't get in trouble with your NDA while you all taking this as a personal affront for some reason.

[Missouri_Rebel]

Let cooler heads prevail.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

We had a vote Michael while you were away and it looks like you were overruled and I am in. Now be a nice lad and send me all available material.

My mother told me her biggest wish for me in life was for me to become a WiF beta tester. I guess I'll have to call her and tell her the bad news. It's gonna break her heart I hope you know.

Of course you were probably scared I'd mop you up in my very first ever WiF game. I might not.

mo reb

warspite1

Mo Reb, why not send a PM to Steve, see what he thinks. Might be worth a try.

Ah, the man has his health to deal with and enough on his plate. I won't pester him.

But thanks warspite. I thought it a good idea.

mo reb

warspite1

So where did you end up mo reb on your plans to learn the game?

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous
paulderynck
You have absolutely no idea how much your approval of what I wrote means to me.


Yes I do paulderynck.

How much?

[Empire101]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Let cooler heads prevail.

Hear Hear.
I think we got a little hot under the collar.

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

4) I am not a Noble, a member of the landed gentry, a man of independent means, or a valet.

+1
That made me laugh![:D]

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

ORIGINAL: warspite1

warspite1

Mo Reb, why not send a PM to Steve, see what he thinks. Might be worth a try.

Ah, the man has his health to deal with and enough on his plate. I won't pester him.

But thanks warspite. I thought it a good idea.

mo reb

warspite1

So where did you end up mo reb on your plans to learn the game?

I'm not sure where I stand right now. As it is I'm searching the net for any info about WiF and the conclusion I have come to is that most of the sites that were around at one point and are linked to in the few fan sites I come across are dead. Surprisingly, there is not much out there.

I plan on reading up on the rules and trying to apply it in VASSAL along with any aids I can find. I wish I could find a cheap copy of the boardgame so I have both the scenario rules and the scenario setups.

All in all pretty early. I want to take my time and as expected, life goes on in between. Plus, I have some great games to play as it stands. As a matter of fact, I have too many games on my hard drive that don't get the right attention before another comes out. Been some good releases this year IMO.

I'm open for suggestions.

mo reb

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

ORIGINAL: Cad908

Mo Reb,


1) Rules as Coded (RAC) Some 98% of RAC is directly from RAW. It provides clarifications to the rules and the transition form a paper game to the computer one.
Players Manual (PM) Details sequence of play and all the forms used in MWIF, along with many other goodies are part of MWIF... The timing of their release is up to Matrix.


-Rob

1) Did you get permission to post percentages? Again, posting opinions/reviews is not allowed. I can't post mine you can't post yours.

Actually, I have seen this before. It was posted by Steve, percentages and all. I see no reason to jump on this guy who is trying to help out a new player.

3-16-2012

tm.asp?m=3061509

' (RAC). It contains changes that reflect the transition of World in Flames (WIF) from paper maps and cardboard counters to a computer screen, with keyboard and mouse. Yet, 98% of the text is directly from RAW. The changes to RAW can be divided into cosmetic, essential, clarifying, and deviations.'-Steve

Post #2 first paragraph. Not trying to rehash an argument, but I do believe apologies ARE in order. You were wrong Extraneous. Seems simple to me.

mo reb

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel
I'm not sure where I stand right now. As it is I'm searching the net for any info about WiF and the conclusion I have come to is that most of the sites that were around at one point and are linked to in the few fan sites I come across are dead. Surprisingly, there is not much out there.

I plan on reading up on the rules and trying to apply it in VASSAL along with any aids I can find. I wish I could find a cheap copy of the boardgame so I have both the scenario rules and the scenario setups.

All in all pretty early. I want to take my time and as expected, life goes on in between. Plus, I have some great games to play as it stands. As a matter of fact, I have too many games on my hard drive that don't get the right attention before another comes out. Been some good releases this year IMO.

I'm open for suggestions.

mo reb

I am giving myself permission to post the following:

You can get the scenario rules and set-ups off ADG's site: http://www.a-d-g.com.au/

Rules are in: Scenariotxt.doc
Set-up is in: 30setup.zip - which is slightly out of date as it has the US convoys starting in the US, from which they cannot possibly reach all the sea zones they need to be in for the US-Japan Trade Agreement. The revision that was made was to allow the US to start 15 convoy points in Honolulu, but for unknown reasons this file never was updated.

[Missouri_Rebel]

Thanks Paul. WoW, that spreadsheet is a mess. Talk about information overload.

What was rule 23. ? My Raw goes to 22 and the scenario txt has rule 24.

Seeing that they release the scenario set ups, does anybody have those for VASSAL? But maybe it would be better getting used to setting up the pieces myself?

For another discussion; while virtual wargames are great and help the bookkeeping so much I have to admit I long for the days of standing over a table for hours at a time. Nothing can replicate the acting and purposeful misdirection keeping an evident self blunder unnoticed.

Don't stare at the troubled area for long. [;)]

mo reb

[Empire101]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel



For another discussion; while virtual wargames are great and help the bookkeeping so much I have to admit I long for the days of standing over a table for hours at a time. Nothing can replicate the acting and purposeful misdirection keeping an evident self blunder unnoticed.

Don't stare at the troubled area for long. [;)]

mo reb

The halcyon days of my youth before work/marriage/real life etc, impinged on me playing WiF......The triumph as your troops enter Paris...the elation!![8D]

And then the mounting horror as your opponent slowly overcomes your painstakingly constructed Axis armies after you nearly pull off Sealion/Barbarossa/North Afrika/Case Blue/The Pacific/Citadel .....
you just want to strap him in the chair and push the eject button ( metaphorically of course!! ),... as he smugly crushes you into the ground.[:(]

Another song...Another Stalingrad.......Happy days!!![8D]

[Cad908]

Mo Reb,


Board Game Geek has a page for World in Flames

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1499/world-in-flames

I stop by once a week or so. There are session reports, rules issues and is an interesting source. Some of the games use newer expansions, Factories in Flames etc, that I had to look into as I was reading. Still a very good reference on the board game.

-Rob

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Thanks Paul. WoW, that spreadsheet is a mess. Talk about information overload.

It looks OK when printed.

What was rule 23. ? My Raw goes to 22 and the scenario txt has rule 24.

Seeing that they release the scenario set ups, does anybody have those for VASSAL? But maybe it would be better getting used to setting up the pieces myself?

For another discussion; while virtual wargames are great and help the bookkeeping so much I have to admit I long for the days of standing over a table for hours at a time. Nothing can replicate the acting and purposeful misdirection keeping an evident self blunder unnoticed.

Don't stare at the troubled area for long. [;)]

mo reb

NOTICE: In the following, I am not talking about MWiF.

23 is the Index and Glossary.

The Vassal module comes with a set-up for all the scenarios but only for the "Classic" version. It also has two Super Deluxe Global War set-ups - one that was done with all the extra POLiF, AiF etc. units and one that was built for the latest version (7.00) of the module, and excludes a lot of the add-on kits (but does have SiF, PiF, MiF, AfiF)

But when setting up you have lots of leeway so it's not as though every at-start unit is on the map when you open those scenarios.

[Anendrue]

For those who do not know The nice thing about Vassal is you can play the game; but, you are suppossed to own a copy of the game you are playing. However unlike MWiF rules are not enforced, supply is not checked etc.... So MWiF will be the only way to go for computer play.

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel
I'm not sure where I stand right now. As it is I'm searching the net for any info about WiF and the conclusion I have come to is that most of the sites that were around at one point and are linked to in the few fan sites I come across are dead. Surprisingly, there is not much out there.

I plan on reading up on the rules and trying to apply it in VASSAL along with any aids I can find. I wish I could find a cheap copy of the boardgame so I have both the scenario rules and the scenario setups.

All in all pretty early. I want to take my time and as expected, life goes on in between. Plus, I have some great games to play as it stands. As a matter of fact, I have too many games on my hard drive that don't get the right attention before another comes out. Been some good releases this year IMO.

I'm open for suggestions.

mo reb

I am giving myself permission to post the following:

You can get the scenario rules and set-ups off ADG's site: http://www.a-d-g.com.au/

Rules are in: Scenariotxt.doc
Set-up is in: 30setup.zip - which is slightly out of date as it has the US convoys starting in the US, from which they cannot possibly reach all the sea zones they need to be in for the US-Japan Trade Agreement. The revision that was made was to allow the US to start 15 convoy points in Honolulu, but for unknown reasons this file never was updated.

paulderynck

But you could have just linked to the thread I started from wayyyyyy back (also there more information in the thread).

The RaW 7 Aug 04 and Scenario RTF

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous
But you could have just linked to the thread I started from wayyyyyy back (also there more information in the thread).

The RaW 7 Aug 04 and Scenario RTF

Somebody named 'Mziln' started that thread. [:-]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: abj9562

For those who do not know The nice thing about Vassal is you can play the game; but, you are suppossed to own a copy of the game you are playing. However unlike MWiF rules are not enforced, supply is not checked etc.... So MWiF will be the only way to go for computer play.

warspite1

Why do you need a copy of the game abj9562? How exactly does Vassal work?? I don't understand [&:]