The Wargamer and curtis
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RE: The Wargamer and curtis
Boys - Why not direct all this testosterone where it is needed and go visit the Australian Beauties thread and vote for something REALLY important?
Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: The Wargamer and curtis
Warspite says it gents. More important things to do than bashing ---> head over to the Aussie babes thread, you know you want to.
RE: The Wargamer and curtis
Uninformed...no..personal experience I'm afraid to say...want me to post Curtis email? I would but maybe Curtis wouldn't want me too...you see whats in Curtis email rings so many bells with me it's uncanny..
RTWFreak..this is about the wargame community..one that makes me ashamed to be apart of at times...plus it is an issue that rubs old wounds. So couldn't help myself...sorry.
Oh I see some of the usual suspects turned up here and some I'm not sure I recognise but must be members of the other site aswell, last year I was bothered, really upset about people turning against me, but now I really don't care at all, don't know you, you don't know me, so no problem I have a healthy wargaming FB page and some close wargaming members here who I trust 100% and are worth a million of any of the other group...plus the block button is a godsend:) Also it's funny to see people post here who by the looks of their post count don't contribute to this site at all. Out of the woodwork comes to mind.
Slaak is controversial yes...but on this issue boy is he right.
Also the original post isn't what started this, it was provocative action started by a certain clique. Who are superb at turning tables..
Also did I not say that a person being a mod at Wargamer and at the other site a conflict of interests? Yes..was I right..Obviously..was I put down for saying it..yes.
Also up until me doing what I did at wargamer (because of being harassed on said forum) I had been on there for what eight years without 1 issue! Now if I was this mental unhinged person they like to make out I am surely that would have been obvious from the start, not eight years later. Can't you see how they portrayed me makes no sense going by that fact alone? Still no one wanted to listen to my side just like Curtis side wont be listened to by a certain section.
I'm sorry but Curtis has my full support. Your blind now if you still support this particular circle. You think everyone who experiences this is mental? Or wrong? Or unhinged? Don't you think the evidence is mounting against them?
One last thing I only quickly scanned some replies here as many aren't worth reading. When you know your right through personal experience, and know how things where twisted by this group (take for instance one member of said group calling me out on here publically for pirating a game and also contacting said developer, who I was busying working with at the time, that I had pirated his game. He did the usual thing this group does, took tiny bits from forums all out of context to suite his agenda. I asked the developer and showed him evidence this was untrue..he said he wasn't actually interested anyway in gossip. I have since shown him Curtis email to show what this group is like)you can't be swayed by their fanboys or the ill informed I'm afraid. That particular website that Curtis says begins with a G should be vetoed by all wargamers in my opinion. Whatever happened to me is nothing to a man being forced to resign because of underhand sly tactics used against him just before Xmas. I know how disgusting this is because I believe every word he has said because I experienced the exact same thing. One other thing they are great at is public humiliation and shouting down anyone who dare say anything against them or anything they don't wont to hear. Also I can't be sure here but I doubt the actual main man over at the other site was really aware of what is or was going on. I think he has been taken in by this group that split from wargamer as he knew them from the past. I just can't see him being involved. He needs to get rid of this particular circle and bring in some more honest decent wargamers. There are many of them. Here is another way to view my personality. I think those who I get on with wouldn't recognise the character portrayed of me by this circle or their group who just listen to their side of things.
OK signing off from this thread. I'm not coming back to read it either. I've stated my case clearly. I didn't want to bring up myself when really it's to do with Curtis but how can I not as it's that very experience that makes me believe Curtis every word. Blimey even a pretty major gamesite wargame reporter can believe what Curtis has said through his very own observations on what has gone one over at wargamer over the years. So you know, when people like that say it..you have to think dont you?
Funny enough it was around Halloween when I experienced their way of doing things..hmmm....
Anyway on to happier things, Xmas is around the corner!!
RTWFreak..this is about the wargame community..one that makes me ashamed to be apart of at times...plus it is an issue that rubs old wounds. So couldn't help myself...sorry.
Oh I see some of the usual suspects turned up here and some I'm not sure I recognise but must be members of the other site aswell, last year I was bothered, really upset about people turning against me, but now I really don't care at all, don't know you, you don't know me, so no problem I have a healthy wargaming FB page and some close wargaming members here who I trust 100% and are worth a million of any of the other group...plus the block button is a godsend:) Also it's funny to see people post here who by the looks of their post count don't contribute to this site at all. Out of the woodwork comes to mind.
Slaak is controversial yes...but on this issue boy is he right.
Also the original post isn't what started this, it was provocative action started by a certain clique. Who are superb at turning tables..
Also did I not say that a person being a mod at Wargamer and at the other site a conflict of interests? Yes..was I right..Obviously..was I put down for saying it..yes.
Also up until me doing what I did at wargamer (because of being harassed on said forum) I had been on there for what eight years without 1 issue! Now if I was this mental unhinged person they like to make out I am surely that would have been obvious from the start, not eight years later. Can't you see how they portrayed me makes no sense going by that fact alone? Still no one wanted to listen to my side just like Curtis side wont be listened to by a certain section.
I'm sorry but Curtis has my full support. Your blind now if you still support this particular circle. You think everyone who experiences this is mental? Or wrong? Or unhinged? Don't you think the evidence is mounting against them?
One last thing I only quickly scanned some replies here as many aren't worth reading. When you know your right through personal experience, and know how things where twisted by this group (take for instance one member of said group calling me out on here publically for pirating a game and also contacting said developer, who I was busying working with at the time, that I had pirated his game. He did the usual thing this group does, took tiny bits from forums all out of context to suite his agenda. I asked the developer and showed him evidence this was untrue..he said he wasn't actually interested anyway in gossip. I have since shown him Curtis email to show what this group is like)you can't be swayed by their fanboys or the ill informed I'm afraid. That particular website that Curtis says begins with a G should be vetoed by all wargamers in my opinion. Whatever happened to me is nothing to a man being forced to resign because of underhand sly tactics used against him just before Xmas. I know how disgusting this is because I believe every word he has said because I experienced the exact same thing. One other thing they are great at is public humiliation and shouting down anyone who dare say anything against them or anything they don't wont to hear. Also I can't be sure here but I doubt the actual main man over at the other site was really aware of what is or was going on. I think he has been taken in by this group that split from wargamer as he knew them from the past. I just can't see him being involved. He needs to get rid of this particular circle and bring in some more honest decent wargamers. There are many of them. Here is another way to view my personality. I think those who I get on with wouldn't recognise the character portrayed of me by this circle or their group who just listen to their side of things.
OK signing off from this thread. I'm not coming back to read it either. I've stated my case clearly. I didn't want to bring up myself when really it's to do with Curtis but how can I not as it's that very experience that makes me believe Curtis every word. Blimey even a pretty major gamesite wargame reporter can believe what Curtis has said through his very own observations on what has gone one over at wargamer over the years. So you know, when people like that say it..you have to think dont you?
Funny enough it was around Halloween when I experienced their way of doing things..hmmm....
Anyway on to happier things, Xmas is around the corner!!
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RE: The Wargamer and curtis
Having read this thread I'll plead ignorance and say I have no idea who Curtis is and the underlying issues. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has no idea what this is all about. Since there is such passion about this topic I'm curious to know the details.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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RE: The Wargamer and curtis
wow. So you talk about this "other site" (Grogheads for anyone not in the know), it's "underhand" workings and a certain clique out to get people - and you start an inflammatory thread wishing the demise of a site which regardless of what you personally think (and they are just thoughts) many people enjoy.
Wodin - as I said to you about the post rating system introduced at The Wargamer - let it go. Wishing people ill is not dignified. I know you were being trolled with that rating system - but I told you back then - leave it - the people who know you and who read your posts would know different and not pay any attention to the ratings. But unfortunately you didn't listen and you went into meltdown. I don't know about other people banned here or at Grogheads or Wargamer - but perhaps it's their own doing sometimes? You know what you did yourself to get banned. I thought it was tough - even though I knew what you had done - but it was breaking the rules. Tough or not the forums rules were apparently broken and you were banned.
Yep - they could've dropped the rating system - but why? On the call of one forum member? Yep - perhaps they could've tracked the IPs of the people rating your particular posts? But all those resources on doing that when so many other things had to be done. You had (have?) a forum yourself I believe - so I guess you may well know at least part of what it entails. Though probably only the tip of the iceberg...so it's unrealistic to get moderators to go looking through posts and checking for repeated clickers of certain little rating tabs. You created several aliases on a website - I know why you did it - but the view was it was underhand. Regardless - the outcome of that was that your credibility had been lost and long with it - trust.
You need to drop it. I've read your posts around here and I read them at Wargamer. Your posts (as I said at The Wargamer) are informative and helpful - but there are some posts you create (this is one) that just do you a total disservice. By wishing Grogheads ill ( and as I said many people enjoy posting there), just because of a couple of individuals - how do you think that paints you in the wargaming community - wanting the demise of a website because of a few people? You're just coming off bitter.
Drop it. Move on. Post where you want to and leave others to enjoy where they like to post.
Do what you do best - create helpful, informative posts and stay away from the venomous vindictive posts.
Good health
Wodin - as I said to you about the post rating system introduced at The Wargamer - let it go. Wishing people ill is not dignified. I know you were being trolled with that rating system - but I told you back then - leave it - the people who know you and who read your posts would know different and not pay any attention to the ratings. But unfortunately you didn't listen and you went into meltdown. I don't know about other people banned here or at Grogheads or Wargamer - but perhaps it's their own doing sometimes? You know what you did yourself to get banned. I thought it was tough - even though I knew what you had done - but it was breaking the rules. Tough or not the forums rules were apparently broken and you were banned.
Yep - they could've dropped the rating system - but why? On the call of one forum member? Yep - perhaps they could've tracked the IPs of the people rating your particular posts? But all those resources on doing that when so many other things had to be done. You had (have?) a forum yourself I believe - so I guess you may well know at least part of what it entails. Though probably only the tip of the iceberg...so it's unrealistic to get moderators to go looking through posts and checking for repeated clickers of certain little rating tabs. You created several aliases on a website - I know why you did it - but the view was it was underhand. Regardless - the outcome of that was that your credibility had been lost and long with it - trust.
You need to drop it. I've read your posts around here and I read them at Wargamer. Your posts (as I said at The Wargamer) are informative and helpful - but there are some posts you create (this is one) that just do you a total disservice. By wishing Grogheads ill ( and as I said many people enjoy posting there), just because of a couple of individuals - how do you think that paints you in the wargaming community - wanting the demise of a website because of a few people? You're just coming off bitter.
Drop it. Move on. Post where you want to and leave others to enjoy where they like to post.
Do what you do best - create helpful, informative posts and stay away from the venomous vindictive posts.
Good health
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RE: The Wargamer and curtis
Good grief. You and Curtis really are two peas in a pod, Wodin. You talk a big game about how you don't want to see the wargaming community divided, and then you put up antagonistic nonsense that serves no purpose except dividing the wargame community. Grogheads isn't running around tossing bombs here, Wodin. That was Curtis and now it's you. And I agree with you, it is pretty sad.
Do I post at Grogheads? Yes. Do I post at Wargamer and here? Not too much. Not because it's some absurd 'either/or' situation. But because I was spending all of my free time posting on forums and none of it actually playing games, so I cut back on all of the places (and there were way too many) where I was active. There is no conspiracy to try to end involvement at other sites. A lot of the people at Grogheads are also active community members here and at Wargamer and at Armchair General and so on. I don't know where this nonsense theory came about that people have to choose one site above the others, but it's infantile.
There was no vast conspiracy to bring down Curtis. Did some people dislike him? Yes. And based on responses elsewhere, that goes beyond just the community at Grogheads. Not liking someone != actively forming a group to destroy him. And how exactly would that work? Explain to me how a group of people with little to no actual affiliation with Slitherine-Matrix somehow convinced their management to toss him aside. Because that's what would have been required to make this happen. We aren't some powerful cabal of industry figures capable of making people dance like puppets. We're a community of gamers. That's it. If you choose to dream up some fairy tale beyond that, that's not my problem. But I'm not going to sit idly by while the good name of a site, it's community and myself as a member of that community is disparaged in the name of your bizarre fever dream.
The other reason this whole line of rhetoric bothers me so much is how it makes ALL of us look. This nonsense is being talked about on Boardgamegeek. It's being talked about on Rock, Paper, Shotgun. Curtis' overheated letter has spread this beyond the wargaming community. And the result is that we come off like infantile children. That isn't good.
Do I post at Grogheads? Yes. Do I post at Wargamer and here? Not too much. Not because it's some absurd 'either/or' situation. But because I was spending all of my free time posting on forums and none of it actually playing games, so I cut back on all of the places (and there were way too many) where I was active. There is no conspiracy to try to end involvement at other sites. A lot of the people at Grogheads are also active community members here and at Wargamer and at Armchair General and so on. I don't know where this nonsense theory came about that people have to choose one site above the others, but it's infantile.
There was no vast conspiracy to bring down Curtis. Did some people dislike him? Yes. And based on responses elsewhere, that goes beyond just the community at Grogheads. Not liking someone != actively forming a group to destroy him. And how exactly would that work? Explain to me how a group of people with little to no actual affiliation with Slitherine-Matrix somehow convinced their management to toss him aside. Because that's what would have been required to make this happen. We aren't some powerful cabal of industry figures capable of making people dance like puppets. We're a community of gamers. That's it. If you choose to dream up some fairy tale beyond that, that's not my problem. But I'm not going to sit idly by while the good name of a site, it's community and myself as a member of that community is disparaged in the name of your bizarre fever dream.
The other reason this whole line of rhetoric bothers me so much is how it makes ALL of us look. This nonsense is being talked about on Boardgamegeek. It's being talked about on Rock, Paper, Shotgun. Curtis' overheated letter has spread this beyond the wargaming community. And the result is that we come off like infantile children. That isn't good.
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RE: The Wargamer and curtis
ORIGINAL: stormbringer3
Having read this thread I'll plead ignorance and say I have no idea who Curtis is and the underlying issues. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has no idea what this is all about. Since there is such passion about this topic I'm curious to know the details.
Thanks.
I'm in this group. Judge Dredd, good advice for Wodin. Personally, I could not get so passionate about a game site.
RE: The Wargamer and curtis
ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil
Ok this is getting out of hand. Let's keep it polite people.
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RE: The Wargamer and curtis
I'm locking this as its just unproductive and unpleasant. No problems discussing things but no provocation and no personal attacks. Wodin please stop trying to create an argument.
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