Pearl Harbor BB's

[John 3rd]

KABLAH!

[denisonh]

I think you mean Gettysburg and Manassas

ORIGINAL: nashvillen

There are options to give those ships a different name also in some scenarios. I believe we have done so already in our 3x2 game. The three of us decided (if I remember correctly) to name them after some ACW battles (Gettysburg and Bull Run). That was a while ago and many other discussions have happened so I may be barking up the wrong tree. They have nominal arrival dates of 28 JUL 42 and 08 MAR 44.

[n01487477]

Any interesting sources for the resurrection and clean up of the BB's? Seems like a mammoth job.

On another note - If the US CV's were in port on the 7th (and sunk). I wonder if they would have been re-floated, if there was the capability to do that in shallow water (maybe a silly Q. given that BB's were)...

[morganbj]

ORIGINAL: denisonh

I think you mean Gettysburg and Manassas

ORIGINAL: nashvillen

There are options to give those ships a different name also in some scenarios. I believe we have done so already in our 3x2 game. The three of us decided (if I remember correctly) to name them after some ACW battles (Gettysburg and Bull Run). That was a while ago and many other discussions have happened so I may be barking up the wrong tree. They have nominal arrival dates of 28 JUL 42 and 08 MAR 44.

Yankees. [:D]

[msieving1]

ORIGINAL: n01487477

Any interesting sources for the resurrection and clean up of the BB's? Seems like a mammoth job.

Pearl Harbor: Why, How, Fleet Salvage and Final Appraisal by Homer Wallin is online at Hyperwar. Wallin was the officer in charge of the salvage effort.

[TSCofield]

ORIGINAL: n01487477

Any interesting sources for the resurrection and clean up of the BB's? Seems like a mammoth job.

On another note - If the US CV's were in port on the 7th (and sunk). I wonder if they would have been re-floated, if there was the capability to do that in shallow water (maybe a silly Q. given that BB's were)...

Probably would have been a priority to get them back into action.

[Grfin Zeppelin]

ORIGINAL: SimHq Tom Cofield

ORIGINAL: n01487477

Any interesting sources for the resurrection and clean up of the BB's? Seems like a mammoth job.

On another note - If the US CV's were in port on the 7th (and sunk). I wonder if they would have been re-floated, if there was the capability to do that in shallow water (maybe a silly Q. given that BB's were)...

Probably would have been a priority to get them back into action.

Would that have been even possible ? I mean aint a carrier much more uh fragile than a BB ?

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

ORIGINAL: SimHq Tom Cofield

ORIGINAL: n01487477

Any interesting sources for the resurrection and clean up of the BB's? Seems like a mammoth job.

On another note - If the US CV's were in port on the 7th (and sunk). I wonder if they would have been re-floated, if there was the capability to do that in shallow water (maybe a silly Q. given that BB's were)...

Probably would have been a priority to get them back into action.

Would that have been even possible ? I mean aint a carrier much more uh fragile than a BB ?

If there would have been carriers at PH during the attack then there would not have been much left of them other than scrap metal IMO. Not likely that the carriers would have gone down just because two or three hits below the waterline but also immense bomb damage everywhere. Guess they would not have been more than wrecks and restoring them wouldn't have been possible. Compared to Japanese carriers the USN ones were tough but look at what only one or two bombs could do to them.

[geofflambert]

I think Zuikaku and Shokaku compared favorably with the US carriers in toughness, but not in damage control.

[Lokasenna]

I dunno, the Yorktown wreck is in pretty damn good condition... It would depend on how much the IJN aircraft focused on the carriers as opposed to the other ships in the harbor, but if even the hull is still mostly there I'd think it would be easier to raise the thing up 60 feet or so and salvage it than to build a new one from scratch.

Not to mention the time involved. I have no professional background in anything related to military history or ship salvage, but I think that if any of the US CV's got blasted at Pearl Harbor, the need to get back in the CV game would have meant that even if it was just faster, if not necessarily cheaper, to raise and repair than to build from scratch that they would have been raised.

I mean think about it - if it took 18 or 20 months to build an Essex class (4/41 to 12/42 for CV-9), but only a year to get Enterprise or Lexington off the bottom of Pearl Harbor and ready for combat again, don't you think the Navy would have done that, no matter the cost when compared to building new?

Unless of course the hull was completely mangled, keel busted up, etc. The upper decks and superstructure should be a relatively easy reconstruction job compared to the main structure of the boat, no?

[packerpete]

I think they would have raised the CV's if for no other reason than to clear the harbor berths.

[inqistor]

There should be possibility left from WITP, to return Cruisers, and Carriers.


I have not checked if it works, but there is specific switch for this in every Scenario. Just fire up the editor, check he field, and save under different number.