Hairy Asian Experiences - GreyJoy (J) vs. Q-Ball (A)

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Lecivius

Those are CV's, but look at the troop losses compared to the damaged ships. That's a lot of engineers, & not many combat troops.

Just mu un-educated opinion.

Correct mate... but if the CVs are here, no possible extremely bold landings in the DEI are being executed...right? So what are those 3 USMC divisions doing?? Finishing and surfing at Thaiti?

[Lecivius]

I read all the AAR's ( a man's gotta have a hobby) so I don't say much. I can say it's a little over 2 weeks from where his carriers are, to where you think they may be. And that includes a pit stop in port to shore up any minor damage before going into a major operation.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Lecivius

I read all the AAR's ( a man's gotta have a hobby) so I don't say much. I can say it's a little over 2 weeks from where his carriers are, to where you think they may be. And that includes a pit stop in port to shore up any minor damage before going into a major operation.

Well, i keep my engines well warm anyway!

[1EyedJacks]

Ground combat at 80,40 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35400 troops, 462 guns, 194 vehicles, Assault Value = 962

Defending force 29038 troops, 178 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 633

Japanese adjusted assault: 345

Allied adjusted defense: 1012

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) <<- Jungle = 2X defensive bonus
Attacker: <<- nothing here to offset - no HQ/Leader bonus available? Can you reach with any air groups to try and pound in some disruption?

Japanese ground losses:
1707 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 175 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
708 casualties reported
Squads: 64 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

[crsutton]

If I were playing the Allies Sabang would be my number 1 choice. But who knows what QBall is thinking.

[Cribtop]

Who knows indeed, but recall that Q was a follower of Canoerebel's AARs, reading up on their game after it ended and contributing to CR's game against PJH. CR's Sumatra invasion plan may appeal to Q and he has certainly been exposed to it. Then again, at this point it's anybody's guess what his Alpha Plan is...

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

Ground combat at 80,40 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35400 troops, 462 guns, 194 vehicles, Assault Value = 962

Defending force 29038 troops, 178 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 633

Japanese adjusted assault: 345

Allied adjusted defense: 1012

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) <<- Jungle = 2X defensive bonus
Attacker: <<- nothing here to offset - no HQ/Leader bonus available? Can you reach with any air groups to try and pound in some disruption?

Japanese ground losses:
1707 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 175 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
708 casualties reported
Squads: 64 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

I always have an army hq when i attack, with top leaders everywhere, plenty of artillery etc. But that terrain is a wooden rough so it gets a +3 bonus, plus all the internal forts they have built. I've always supported my attacks there with more than 130 bombers....but i only got a couple of 1-1 shocking... A bloody affair so far

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Who knows indeed, but recall that Q was a follower of Canoerebel's AARs, reading up on their game after it ended and contributing to CR's game against PJH. CR's Sumatra invasion plan may appeal to Q and he has certainly been exposed to it. Then again, at this point it's anybody's guess what his Alpha Plan is...

I agree, but with his CVs being positioned south of Tabiutea, i can't see how he could do anything really bold like a DEI invasion now....without air support is not doable imho....so i may have enough time to reinforce the western perimeter...moreover, if his APs (his best ships) are there too, i think it's pretty safe to say that nothing major is happening in western DEI right now.
Sebang already has a division, 2 artillery units, an air hq and 2 base forces.
Padang, Siberoet and Bandoleng will have a strong garrison ( at least 200 AVs with 4 forts and artillery). 2 divisions will be kept in reserve at Batavia with 18 xAPs and 15 AKs, ready to be moved.

Cannot do more at the moment

[GreyJoy]

In burma the real battleground seems to be Warzup. He's massing his left side against it and we're reinforcing the place with another division...hope to be able to hold cause i'm very exposed on that flank and a defeat would be strategically a disaster

[GreyJoy]

Now at Makin the 2 Nells squadrons, who suffered 31 losses in today battle, are replaced by 2 fresh Betty squadron, backec by the Genzan daiatai (27 zeros) coming from shortlands. The air search has been intensified and 2 i-boats are getting closer to the area.

I'm also keeping an eye on the enemy convoy spotted at Townsville, where are also spotted 65,000 men, 550 guns and some 390 tanks...a bit too much for a garrison, right? But again, without the CVs, no major threat could come from there for the time being

[GreyJoy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 06, 42

Got a pretty busy day today...just a fast report for now.

The enemy keeps unloading stuff at Aroea... the enemy CVs are still there and his LRCAP shot down more 20 zeros and some 10 Netties today...we did poorly, only sinking an xAK and a PC ...ouch! I'm calling back the KB to the pacific anyway...If his CVs are there i cannot keep on hunting shadows in the DEI...too much fuel burnt for nothing [:(]

He keeps on pounding Mitikyna and i cannot contest those numbers... 250 fighters and 200 bombers are too much to handle on LRCAP...gotta give him that airspace

In China our exploit north of Kweyiang continues. The tanks are opening another gap in his perimeter...Damn, seems really to be in Russia during the Blau Operation!

Once again he sent 150 4Es to close PM's airfield... too much of attention to NG recently, and that big TF sailed from Townville taking with it 10/15,000 men...now is near Cooktown.... Does he really wanna land here only with LBA support???? Even if my CVs cannot come into action anytime soon, i still have a pretty decent LBA strenght in the area...

Sending I-boats to track down his CVs... no luck for the moment... my air search sucks [:-]

Moving more fresh units to the Marshalls and moving back those heavily battered during the last 2 days of battle...

[veji1]

Why send your CVs to the pacific ??? This is not the most strategically important area for you... At the very furthest you should send them to the island bases south east of Mindanao, but no further... in the end whether he clears the Gilberts and Marshalls one or 2 years ahead of schedule doesn't make much of a difference long term, as opposed to him having a foothold in the DEI in late 42 early 43....

[obvert]

Once again he sent 150 4Es to close PM's airfield... too much of attention to NG recently, and that big TF sailed from Townville taking with it 10/15,000 men...now is near Cooktown.... Does he really wanna land here only with LBA support???? Even if my CVs cannot come into action anytime soon, i still have a pretty decent LBA strenght in the area...

As I'm sure you know well from playing that side, the Allies can unload fast. So you have a 1-2 day window max to hit those ships. You might hit some, but it's pretty close for his LR CAP from Portland Roads. I found out that he could land a multi-divisional invasion at PM and be out before day two!

One key is to keep a group of Jakes on night search in the area so you know what is coming early. You could also keep some strike planes on night attack, but I've had very poor results from those, so might not be worth it. If he doesn't have CVs there, your SCTFs should have a chance to do something though. If you can get strong units to hang out at Milne Bay that might even be enough of a deterrent to keep him from going forward.

[ny59giants]

He has a very few CVEs right now, but get 3 or 4 CVEs that are non-replenishment type in mid-Dec '42 that come with 21 Wildcats and 9 Avengers. With his replenishment type CVEs, I would remove the second air group (usually SBDs) and leave just 28 fighters. None were present for this air battle (he has 36 x 5 = 180 fighters), so where are they??

[GreyJoy]

Well, i'm trying to position my CVs mirroring his CVs positioning. Micheal's right anyway: he could be fooling me showing the CVs (or his air groups anyway) and using the CVEs somewhere else. But which chances i have? If i keep on hunting my fears in the DEI the risk is simple: what if those were just paranoias (sp?!) of mine and he simply keeps on pushing in the pacific? What if he lands at Milne Bay, PM or Terapo with his CVs+CVEs in support?
What if he lands at Munda (a base that has been reconned hard lately)? What if he keeps on pushing in the Marshalls? Well, yes, the DEI are more strategic, obviously, but he cannot land there only with the CVEs...i don't think so. I have enough Netties+Zeros there, plus a strong surface asset, that i don't fear a non-CV-supported landing. Maybe i'm wrong, but that's how i feel.
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Obvert: yes, i know. However AP/AKs aren't APA/AKAs. If i remember well, the AP/AKs convert by 1/43...so he still has them as the only fast landing ships. Using LRCAP from portland roads is clearly possible, but LRCAP is much less efficient than a normal CAP as we know. If he tries to land in NG, i'll do my best, but don't have many hopes of stopping completely a landing...
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Another chance for him would be to conquer Horn Island with his CVs and then move immediately forward, avoiding completely the NG and landing somewhere south of Ambon, using the those sealanes. This would be a great plan imho, but also risky cause he will be away from his LBA and in range of my own LBA from Timor... plus i'll have the CVs pretty close coming down from Babeldoap...
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Well, the scenarios are very interesting for sure!
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4 BBs are spotted at Perth. I bet they are the old RN BBs...but i'll keep an eye on them, sending more glenn-equipped subs in that area.
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One thing i'm sure about: the next month will be decisive!

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Who knows indeed, but recall that Q was a follower of Canoerebel's AARs, reading up on their game after it ended and contributing to CR's game against PJH. CR's Sumatra invasion plan may appeal to Q and he has certainly been exposed to it. Then again, at this point it's anybody's guess what his Alpha Plan is...

I agree, but with his CVs being positioned south of Tabiutea, i can't see how he could do anything really bold like a DEI invasion now....without air support is not doable imho....so i may have enough time to reinforce the western perimeter...moreover, if his APs (his best ships) are there too, i think it's pretty safe to say that nothing major is happening in western DEI right now.
Sebang already has a division, 2 artillery units, an air hq and 2 base forces.
Padang, Siberoet and Bandoleng will have a strong garrison ( at least 200 AVs with 4 forts and artillery). 2 divisions will be kept in reserve at Batavia with 18 xAPs and 15 AKs, ready to be moved.

Cannot do more at the moment

No you are probably safe in the DEI for a good while. Allies just do not have enough landing assault type ships at this time to pull off more than one decent invasion at a time.

[ny59giants]

xAPs convert to APAs in 2/43. I'm trying to hoard those on mine that do this as there is a limited number of APAs coming in as reinforcements in early '43.

[GreyJoy]

8-9 Nov 1942
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The enemy's CVs remain covering their landings south of Tabiutea. We stopped our air attacks cause they were getting too bloody and we weren't achieving much.
The real news is that the big TF that sailed from Townsville seems to be heading to Horn island. At Portland Roads 200 fighters are providing LRCAP so we cannot try to attack... his 4Es are stationing between Cairns and Cooktown and keep on pounding our bases in NG. We're trying not to waste our assets against his CAP.
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Horn Island is already lost cause i evacuated the 90% of the single SNLF unit present there. This means the pressure on NG will be rising
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BBs and CAs are spotted at CookTown. We moved our BBs at Woodwark Island.
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The other news is that we managed to sink a TK convoy heading from India to Cocos Island. 5 big TKs and one PC are sunk with no mercy by 3CAs and 5DDs sent from Sebang.
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The Judy finally entered into production. We're now researching the third model of the series with 120 repaired factories....let's see.
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70 Judy (mk1) will be produced each month.
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In China we're now advancing fast towards Kunming, while our tanks, backed up by several divisions, are marching towards the central plains.
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In the meanwhile we're keeping reinforcing the DEI.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Lecivius

Those are CV's, but look at the troop losses compared to the damaged ships. That's a lot of engineers, & not many combat troops.

Just mu un-educated opinion.

Correct mate... but if the CVs are here, no possible extremely bold landings in the DEI are being executed...right? So what are those 3 USMC divisions doing?? Finishing and surfing at Thaiti?

I & I

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

xAPs convert to APAs in 2/43. I'm trying to hoard those on mine that do this as there is a limited number of APAs coming in as reinforcements in early '43.

I think you are talking about the USN AP's [no 'x'] converting to APA's on 3/43?