When?

[tigercub]

Sh.T i for got to green button the pice of dunny rapper! aarrr its done now ...

[michaelbaldur]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Man, this has turned into a dark place. Depressing. Even the Matrix Militia now sniping within ranks about dopey NDAs and perceived shortcomings in faith to the party line. Poor abj6969 can't even take a joke anymore, his 1000-yard stare is a haunting prelude to a complete PTSD breakdown.

Steve is not going to complete this game, not even a nerfed no-A.I. version. It simply is not going to happen - it's okay to admit the inevitable, doing so is simply an admission of the facts, the steepening trajectory of non-development, and not a slam on Steve. The best case scenario is that Failtrix puts an actual team on the job, but that is unlikely because they clearly don't give a shit. I mean guys, seriously... when you clear away the good wishes and hopeful thoughts and high regard for hard work and our enthusiasm for WiF itself, whats left? Do you have a line at which the importance of results jumps ahead of everything else?

Your cheerfulness is so wonderfully consistent. I just hope that you have the same opinions every time that you look in a mirror.

Am I out of line to lack cheer re: your progress after nearly a decade of work? If you were looking for another job, would this go on your resume? The basket beneath the guillotine is spilling over with victims of the chopping block: scenarios cut to a ridiculous handful, no A.I., optional rules missing... I'm sure there's more I haven't bothered to remember? The graphics are atrocious. There is no shame (well, perhaps a little) in admitting you bit off more than you could chew, and that Matrixster's support and dedication to this project has been abysmal.

You preside over a failure, partially of your own making and having nothing to do with recent health woes. Perhaps it's time to step away? Or have you lashed yourself to the wheel?

just a question..

have you ever opened the game ????

because I can tell you that I play this game daily. the game is playable and if I really want to find new bugs I have produce situations that are really unlikely.

if steve had not missed 6 month with health issues. the game would have been out now.

so I would start saving up vacation time because the game is really, really good

[bo]

Steve I know it is hard to ignore him [crussdaddy] but please try harder. The obvious thing I see here is he is still lurking, peeking around the corner hoping for the release of this game.

Matrixster's,Failtrix, Matrix militia, guillotine chopping block, lashed yourself to a wheel? picking on abj who is the most positive poster here, [:@] Murcans, [&:] nerfed AI [meaning AI for the nerf BO] [;)] I am shocked, shocked [from Casablanca] [:D] I cannot believe that you thought all of this up by yourself, come on own up Crussdaddy.

I know I am alone in this one but you break me up, really you are good with the quips, I would bet that if you apologized to all of the dedicated Wifer's here and decide to help us by becoming a beta tester for Matrix and Steve, Steve would gladly give you a week vacation in his Honolulu condo. I mean come on Steve that condo is all done being refurbished by now, Right? [&o]

Bo

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Man, this has turned into a dark place. Depressing. Even the Matrix Militia now sniping within ranks about dopey NDAs and perceived shortcomings in faith to the party line. Poor abj6969 can't even take a joke anymore, his 1000-yard stare is a haunting prelude to a complete PTSD breakdown.

Steve is not going to complete this game, not even a nerfed no-A.I. version. It simply is not going to happen - it's okay to admit the inevitable, doing so is simply an admission of the facts, the steepening trajectory of non-development, and not a slam on Steve. The best case scenario is that Failtrix puts an actual team on the job, but that is unlikely because they clearly don't give a shit. I mean guys, seriously... when you clear away the good wishes and hopeful thoughts and high regard for hard work and our enthusiasm for WiF itself, whats left? Do you have a line at which the importance of results jumps ahead of everything else?

Did you make any constructive contribution to the development of this game? Probably not... If you did, than I will make excuses now for what I'm going to write here:

Get out of here and never come back! You're abusive!

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Oh, and happy Thanksgiving to my fellow 'Murcans.

Quick somebody call the hacking police. Someone stole Crussdaddy's account. I know this because this quote actually approaches being nice.

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets



Your cheerfulness is so wonderfully consistent. I just hope that you have the same opinions every time that you look in a mirror.

Am I out of line to lack cheer re: your progress after nearly a decade of work? If you were looking for another job, would this go on your resume? The basket beneath the guillotine is spilling over with victims of the chopping block: scenarios cut to a ridiculous handful, no A.I., optional rules missing... I'm sure there's more I haven't bothered to remember? The graphics are atrocious. There is no shame (well, perhaps a little) in admitting you bit off more than you could chew, and that Matrixster's support and dedication to this project has been abysmal.

You preside over a failure, partially of your own making and having nothing to do with recent health woes. Perhaps it's time to step away? Or have you lashed yourself to the wheel?

just a question..

have you ever opened the game ????

because I can tell you that I play this game daily. the game is playable and if I really want to find new bugs I have produce situations that are really unlikely.

if steve had not missed 6 month with health issues. the game would have been out now.

so I would start saving up vacation time because the game is really, really good

Matrash and Steve were not needed to create a playable WiF game -- we already had CWiF. The current iteration of MWiF is functionally identical to CWiF. The version of MWiF that is on track to not be released is no different, save for two unwelcome distinctions: it will cost money and it will not include the Edit Mode that allows you to create your own scenarios or interrupt scenario play to embark upon fanciful "What If?" games or undo the bugs that periodically crop up.

I mean, if you want to get sprung because the graphics have been tweaked and there's a complete user manual and unit bios I guess it will be a very Merry Christmas if MWiF is ever released, but after nearly a decade of "work" this game has not changed in any substantive way.

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Man, this has turned into a dark place. Depressing. Even the Matrix Militia now sniping within ranks about dopey NDAs and perceived shortcomings in faith to the party line. Poor abj6969 can't even take a joke anymore, his 1000-yard stare is a haunting prelude to a complete PTSD breakdown.

Steve is not going to complete this game, not even a nerfed no-A.I. version. It simply is not going to happen - it's okay to admit the inevitable, doing so is simply an admission of the facts, the steepening trajectory of non-development, and not a slam on Steve. The best case scenario is that Failtrix puts an actual team on the job, but that is unlikely because they clearly don't give a shit. I mean guys, seriously... when you clear away the good wishes and hopeful thoughts and high regard for hard work and our enthusiasm for WiF itself, whats left? Do you have a line at which the importance of results jumps ahead of everything else?

Did you make any constructive contribution to the development of this game? Probably not... If you did, than I will make excuses now for what I'm going to write here:

Get out of here and never come back! You're abusive!

I am not a playtester, if that's what you mean. I have periodically contributed to the opinion threads re: maps and optional rules and so forth, but I presume that falls below your threshold of value. I have answered some questions on the threads that talk specifically about CWiF, which I have played exhaustively. If yours is the quaint and disreputable opinion that commentary or criticism should be restricted to the tiny circle of intimates involved directly in the production-testing of the game, then you of course may regard my input as unworthy.

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Man, this has turned into a dark place. Depressing. Even the Matrix Militia now sniping within ranks about dopey NDAs and perceived shortcomings in faith to the party line. Poor abj6969 can't even take a joke anymore, his 1000-yard stare is a haunting prelude to a complete PTSD breakdown.

Steve is not going to complete this game, not even a nerfed no-A.I. version. It simply is not going to happen - it's okay to admit the inevitable, doing so is simply an admission of the facts, the steepening trajectory of non-development, and not a slam on Steve. The best case scenario is that Failtrix puts an actual team on the job, but that is unlikely because they clearly don't give a shit. I mean guys, seriously... when you clear away the good wishes and hopeful thoughts and high regard for hard work and our enthusiasm for WiF itself, whats left? Do you have a line at which the importance of results jumps ahead of everything else?

Did you make any constructive contribution to the development of this game? Probably not... If you did, than I will make excuses now for what I'm going to write here:

Get out of here and never come back! You're abusive!

I am not a playtester, if that's what you mean. I have periodically contributed to the opinion threads re: maps and optional rules and so forth, but I presume that falls below your threshold of value. I have answered some questions on the threads that talk specifically about CWiF, which I have played exhaustively. If yours is the quaint and disreputable opinion that commentary or criticism should be restricted to the tiny circle of intimates involved directly in the production-testing of the game, then you of course may regard my input as unworthy.

Criticism should be productive and not counterproductive. Where's the constructive side in the post I quoted? Can Steve or testers or anyone in this forum get anything positive out of this writing? It isn't there. If it isn't there, why post it, Crussdaddy? To make people angry or to put your frustrations in writing?
You may be disappointed. You may write so here. But to write: "Steve is not going to complete this game, not even a nerfed no-A.I. version" looks to me as an insult to the people contributing this.
When this comes unto the market (and I'm pretty positive it will go to the market) you are probably going to sit quiet in a corner here and buy it. Well: the first thing I'm going to do in this forum if MWIF hits the market is to ask you to make your excuses public here. Not to me. No, I'm not important, but to Steve!

[yvesp]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Am I out of line to lack cheer re: your progress after nearly a decade of work? If you were looking for another job, would this go on your resume? The basket beneath the guillotine is spilling over with victims of the chopping block: scenarios cut to a ridiculous handful, no A.I., optional rules missing... I'm sure there's more I haven't bothered to remember? The graphics are atrocious. There is no shame (well, perhaps a little) in admitting you bit off more than you could chew, and that Matrixster's support and dedication to this project has been abysmal.

You preside over a failure, partially of your own making and having nothing to do with recent health woes. Perhaps it's time to step away? Or have you lashed yourself to the wheel?

Go there in his place, retrieve an old undocumented code that you are forced to straighten(instead of starting from scratch, which would have been much more sensible), do this alone with no support.

Then, and only then if you do better, we'll praise your skills and will have earned our respect.
At this point, all you prove is that obviously you know not a single thing about programming.

Yves

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
Matrash and Steve were not needed to create a playable WiF game -- we already had CWiF. The current iteration of MWiF is functionally identical to CWiF. The version of MWiF that is on track to not be released is no different, save for two unwelcome distinctions: it will cost money and it will not include the Edit Mode that allows you to create your own scenarios or interrupt scenario play to embark upon fanciful "What If?" games or undo the bugs that periodically crop up.

I mean, if you want to get sprung because the graphics have been tweaked and there's a complete user manual and unit bios I guess it will be a very Merry Christmas if MWiF is ever released, but after nearly a decade of "work" this game has not changed in any substantive way.

And you know this because you are a beta tester or somepone developing the game or content in somw way?

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
I am not a playtester, if that's what you mean. I have periodically contributed to the opinion threads re: maps and optional rules and so forth, but I presume that falls below your threshold of value. I have answered some questions on the threads that talk specifically about CWiF, which I have played exhaustively. If yours is the quaint and disreputable opinion that commentary or criticism should be restricted to the tiny circle of intimates involved directly in the production-testing of the game, then you of course may regard my input as unworthy.

Ah here we have it. An open admission that what you are stating is an opinion on something you are not actively involved in with the exception of making some minor albeit needed contributions. Otherwise the vast majority of your posta are opiniated statements without substantiation or authority?

If you want to get involved pleae quit trolling and make a positive contribution. It's obvious to most of us that you want to participate. So why not do so in a meanigful and positive way. Bo keeps reminding us an AI is necessary and needed. He does so in a way that keeps us on our toes without being mean or spitefull. If you feel the game needs to be pushed out sooner we probably all can agree to different amounts on that issue. However we don't want to burn the house down while we keep a warm fire burning towards a goal we want to see completed.

[Extraneous]

[:D] Sorry CrusssDaddy [:D]

I have tried and tried to get the people here not to flame people.

But I'm still probably #1 on their most hated list. You made a good try though.

[CrusssDaddy]

ORIGINAL: abj9562

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
Matrash and Steve were not needed to create a playable WiF game -- we already had CWiF. The current iteration of MWiF is functionally identical to CWiF. The version of MWiF that is on track to not be released is no different, save for two unwelcome distinctions: it will cost money and it will not include the Edit Mode that allows you to create your own scenarios or interrupt scenario play to embark upon fanciful "What If?" games or undo the bugs that periodically crop up.

I mean, if you want to get sprung because the graphics have been tweaked and there's a complete user manual and unit bios I guess it will be a very Merry Christmas if MWiF is ever released, but after nearly a decade of "work" this game has not changed in any substantive way.

And you know this because you are a beta tester or somepone developing the game or content in somw way?

I know this from the monthly (now perhaps bimonthly? quarterly?) progress reports, which we all agree are very thorough. CWiF has no A.I., does MWiF have one? Was one promised? CWiF has 3 scenarios, how many does MWiF have? How many were originally intended? I've seen the graphics and play from the playtest AAR, the former laughable the latter unchanged from the game that I downloaded for free 10 years ago.

Perhaps I'm wrong and MWiF is substantively different from CWiF? Please correct me, let me know how these many years have been spent profitably. (SPOILER ALERT: I will be unimpressed by accounts of the convoy system being perfected or Vichy crashes eliminated.)

*Edited to fix quote formatting.

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

ORIGINAL: abj9562

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy
Matrash and Steve were not needed to create a playable WiF game -- we already had CWiF. The current iteration of MWiF is functionally identical to CWiF. The version of MWiF that is on track to not be released is no different, save for two unwelcome distinctions: it will cost money and it will not include the Edit Mode that allows you to create your own scenarios or interrupt scenario play to embark upon fanciful "What If?" games or undo the bugs that periodically crop up.

I mean, if you want to get sprung because the graphics have been tweaked and there's a complete user manual and unit bios I guess it will be a very Merry Christmas if MWiF is ever released, but after nearly a decade of "work" this game has not changed in any substantive way.

And you know this because you are a beta tester or somepone developing the game or content in somw way?

I know this from the monthly (now perhaps bimonthly? quarterly?) progress reports, which we all agree are very thorough. CWiF has no A.I., does MWiF have one? Was one promised? CWiF has 3 scenarios, how many does MWiF have? How many were originally intended? I've seen the graphics and play from the playtest AAR, the former laughable the latter unchanged from the game that I downloaded for free 10 years ago.

Perhaps I'm wrong and MWiF is substantively different from CWiF? Please correct me, let me know how these many years have been spent profitably. (SPOILER ALERT: I will be unimpressed by accounts of the convoy system being perfected or Vichy crashes eliminated.)

*Edited to fix quote formatting.

While I am not allowed to discuss MWiF. I can say CWiF is a bugged nightmare with horrid graphics. I thought it was shameful to ever be released in it's original condition. With that said, complain to ADG on that score. It was their project and their release.

Regarding what has been publicly said about MWiF. IMHO an awful lot is different, beginning with the unified map, better graphics, and improved code. Steve's contract does require an AI as he has stated many times. Will there be an early release without it? I have no idea. That is up to Matrix. How many scenarios, again that is up to them. They might give us all of them or hold some back for paid expansions like so many games do. Those are business decisions to make something profitable.

Now then are people disppointed because they can't have the game when they want it. Yes they are. But so is a 3 year old when they cant have what they want when they want it. Complaining about slow develpoment time is like complaining to GM, Ford etc... that your car doesn't get 100 MPG. Could they do it? Yes, bit it will take awhile before it gets done. How long have they been working on it. Well three plus decades. My grandfather was a VP for GM when it was a solid company in the 70's and 80's. Anyway, complaining about development time becomes pointless and childish in the extreme. Some things just take time. How much who knows.

Critique and constructive criticism are fine and dandy and help to identify real concerns. Flaming is just mean, vindictive and something I expect from bullys and children. Personally I just want the flaming for the sake of trolling to end from anyone who does it. Weather someone (myself, you or anyone else) is a troll reveals itself in the message they present. Does it convey constructive points or is it just a lot of complaints. Do the complaints offer suggestions or solutions? Or is the poster just being mean and ugly towrds people.

[vonRocko]

This is funny! Crussdaddy says the emporer has no clothes, and the minions have a fit!

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

I know this from the monthly (now perhaps bimonthly? quarterly?) progress reports, which we all agree are very thorough. CWiF has no A.I., does MWiF have one? Was one promised? CWiF has 3 scenarios, how many does MWiF have? How many were originally intended? I've seen the graphics and play from the playtest AAR, the former laughable the latter unchanged from the game that I downloaded for free 10 years ago.

Perhaps I'm wrong and MWiF is substantively different from CWiF? Please correct me, let me know how these many years have been spent profitably. (SPOILER ALERT: I will be unimpressed by accounts of the convoy system being perfected or Vichy crashes eliminated.)

*Edited to fix quote formatting.

Remember I am still bound by the NDA (even though I dropped out of the beta).

Q) Does MWiF have an AI? Was an AI promised? It would be very strange to report the status of an AI if it wasn't to be offered.

Q) How many scenarios does MWiF have? How many scenarios were originally intended? Sequence of Play Tutorial - #10

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

This is funny! Crussdaddy says the emperor has no clothes, and the minions have a fit!

I am not a minion. I am not yellow, short, talk gibberish, or work for Grue.

Despicable me?

Note: I corrected your spelling its emperor not emporer.

[bo]

Wow, wow, wow crussdaddy sure knows how to pull your chains, [:-] he's wetting himself hearing you people defend Matrix, Steve, ADG and god knows who else. Unfortunately most of what he says is correct to a point but so what, let him gas and we should stop fueling his fire, there is just no point in answering him, I am telling you he will continue to blow steam as long as you posters go after him. Let him die on the line.

Really people he might be a very nice person [:@] with a great passion for this game and he is just frustrated that it is not finished yet and he is using the forums to blow some steam off.

Maybe [&:]

Bo

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: bo
Wow, wow, wow crussdaddy sure knows how to pull your chains, [:-] he's wetting himself hearing you people defend Matrix, Steve, ADG and god knows who else. Unfortunately most of what he says is correct to a point but so what, let him gas and we should stop fueling his fire, there is just no point in answering him, I am telling you he will continue to blow steam as long as you posters go after him. Let him die on the line.

Really people he might be a very nice person [:@] with a great passion for this game and he is just frustrated that it is not finished yet and he is using the forums to blow some steam off.

Maybe [&:]

Bo

Without going all Sigmund Freud here. Responding to a flamer just ups the ante in their own mind. But not for the resonable poster. A reasonable poster does not get mad and return the flames instead they respond with the truth. The more a flamer is drawn into exhibiting their bad behavior the more self destructive it becomes. Causing some to be banned or face banning. At some point most people lose all respect for the flamer. Therefore responding seems to give them what they want - when it actually just sets them up for a fall (or turns them to the light side in a few cases). I for one do not mind feeding them the truth since the truth is just fuel for them to see the error of their ways or fuel to feed their own funeral pyre.

For example:
Try ignoring a bully, they do not go away. You deal with them head on and isolate them at all costs. Without support of other bullies they eventually slink away. When faced with the truth and no real way to respond, they usually resort to personal attacks. Much like we have seen here today.

As a vet I know many GI's with PTSD and stepping over that line today revealed a lot about crussdaddy. That alone costs him a lot of respect here. Especially from and decent GI from any country who has or knows others with PTSD. After all what he did was similiar to a bully making fun of a mentally disabled person, a child with downs syndrome, or any number of other issues beyond an individuals control.

So if people stay calm and consider the source they usally laugh at the argument as some have done today. Or, they blow off the flamer and in some rare cases they join the flamer as an additional bully on the block. In either case the flamer actually lost as soon as they made the ugly post.

A flamer lives to win the moment, but actually loses the war or the opening salvo. Unless - people let them have their way. And I for one will never give in to a bully.

[bo]

And I for one will never give in to a bully. [:-]

We have noticed that abj [;)] stay cool please [&o]

Bo

[CrusssDaddy]

abj, your list of ways in which MWiF exceeds CWiF is a silly one. Perhaps you do not recall that CWiF already had a unified map? The new graphics are terrible, dated and ugly and they have been rightfully laughed at by others elsewhere. "Improved code..." Has a computer game ever been marketed with this characteristic as a selling point? "HALO 4 -- NOW WITH IMPROVED CODE!!!" No, because it is meaningless. The code in MWiF, after nearly a decade of refinement, does exactly the same thing as the code in CWiF. They are functionally identical games.

Bo here are some emoticons for you, I know you enjoy them so: [:@][:D][;)][&o][&o][:o][&o][8D][:(][X(][>:][>:][>:][:-][:'(][:@][:)][:)][:)] Keep on truckin', as the kids these days say...

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

[:D] Sorry CrusssDaddy [:D]

I have tried and tried to get the people here not to flame people.

But I'm still probably #1 on their most hated list. You made a good try though.

You are not on my hated list. Your contributions to this site, in my humble opinion, has been invaluable.