Patch 7 Data Update FEEBACK THREAD

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Reg


Blackhorse did say he was comfortable with the strategic movement of the USMC units.....

I missed that. Do you mean he said he was comfortable with them as is, or comfortable with them being able to move strat road?

[Andy Mac]

We decided not to make a change other changes were higher priority and this one wasnt clear cut

[Andy Mac]

Scen 1 is ok are you sure you installed to correct directory

[Andy Mac]

Coy level units post mid 42 are not included as game moves to min Bn scale at this point

[Andy Mac]

Will change nme of dutch bde and fix armoured unit TOE

NZ air will amend

Can Sqns arrice as part of tiger force

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

We decided not to make a change other changes were higher priority and this one wasnt clear cut

Cool, thank you.

[Natali]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

We decided not to make a change other changes were higher priority and this one wasnt clear cut

Cool, thank you.

I don't know if they talked to Andy, but I asked the question from the Babes guys and they said six of one and half dozen of the other, but they think no strat road move is more realistic.

land units weren't generally strategicaly mobile on their own anyway, even US Army divisions. The USA divisions had to get a big number of QM Truck units from Corps to lift everybody. But the game abstraction lets them get strategic movement by using those "hidden" QM Truck units.

The USN and USMC didn't have any of that kind of upper echelon help. The USMC division had lots more troops, but lots less trucks than an Army division. It was not set up to go running around on roads. USN engineers had lots of gear, but you can't strategically drive bulldozers down a highway, you need a transporter. On mainland US it doesn't matter because there's railroads to everyplace. Off mainland US, they had to walk, so make them walk.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Natali

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

We decided not to make a change other changes were higher priority and this one wasnt clear cut

Cool, thank you.

I don't know if they talked to Andy, but I asked the question from the Babes guys and they said six of one and half dozen of the other, but they think no strat road move is more realistic.

land units weren't generally strategicaly mobile on their own anyway, even US Army divisions. The USA divisions had to get a big number of QM Truck units from Corps to lift everybody. But the game abstraction lets them get strategic movement by using those "hidden" QM Truck units.

The USN and USMC didn't have any of that kind of upper echelon help. The USMC division had lots more troops, but lots less trucks than an Army division. It was not set up to go running around on roads. USN engineers had lots of gear, but you can't strategically drive bulldozers down a highway, you need a transporter. On mainland US it doesn't matter because there's railroads to everyplace. Off mainland US, they had to walk, so make them walk.

I asked this question couple years back and got the same answer for the same reasons. Made sense to me then and still does. I'm ok with it. I was actually quite pleased with the granularity of the model that it could split up the movement between USN and USArmy.

[witpqs]

I didn't know about the previous round of Q&A.

[PaxMondo]

Its in the Mod forum somewhere .... ~2 yrs ago ... maybe a bit longer ...

[latosusi]

How many airplanes can be loaded on AK? I loaded one Catalina group on one AK, but some were left behind.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Its in the Mod forum somewhere .... ~2 yrs ago ... maybe a bit longer ...

Oh I believe it, just didn't know which is why I queried when I noticed the issue.

[inqistor]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Scen 1 is ok are you sure you installed to correct directory

Super Es are changed, so directory is correct.

However.. it unpacks quite quick, but I think there is NO wpd file in archive, or it is somehow skipped. I tried to delete old file from SCEN folder, but it does not seem to work, as no new file shows up, even when I delete wpc, which is surely updated.

[rjopel]

Scenario 14 Allied LCU
The following units have a delay of 9999 or inactive and could be deleted:
ID Name Location
104 Southwest Pacific Delay 9999 days
105 Southeast Asia Delay 9999 days
110 Australia Command Delay 9999 days
120 Alaska Defense Cmd Delay 9999 days
128 Soviet Far East Cmd Delay 9999 days
137 Tenth USAAF Delay 9999 days
138 Eleventh USAAF Delay 9999 days
144 222 Group RAF Delay 9999 days
147 225 Group RAF Delay 9999 days
148 231 Group RAF Delay 9999 days
154 10 Group RAAF Delay 9999 days
176 Eastern Command Delay 9999 days
177 Western Command Delay 9999 days
178 7th Mil. District Delay 9999 days
179 227 (T) Group RAF Delay 9999 days
184 Southern Command Delay 9999 days
185 Eastern Command Delay 9999 days
186 Northern Command Delay 9999 days
187 Ceylon Command Delay 9999 days
192 RAAF Command Delay 9999 days
193 RNZAF Command Delay 9999 days
194 CAF HQ Delay 9999 days
195 AHQ India Delay 9999 days
198 RN South Atlantic Delay 9999 days
200 Admiralty Delay 9999 days
202 Trans Baikal Front Delay 9999 days
203 1st Far East Front Delay 9999 days
204 2nd Far East Front Delay 9999 days
205 Soviet Pacific Fleet Delay 9999 days
209 9th Air Army Delay 9999 days
210 10th Air Army Delay 9999 days
211 12th Air Army Delay 9999 days
213 6th Guards Tank Army Delay 9999 days
214 Free French Command Delay 9999 days
215 India Command Delay 9999 days
5996 2/6 Cavalry Cdo Battalion Inactive
6008 13th Australian Brigade Inactive
6013 1st Australian Division Inactive
6021 2nd Australian Division Inactive
6026 3rd Australian Division Inactive
6031 4th Australian Division Inactive
6037 5th Australian Division Inactive
6055 30th Australian Brigade Inactive
6062 Port Moresby Brigade Inactive
6070 10th RAAF Base Force Inactive
6075 1st RAN Base Force Inactive
6082 3rd RAN Base Force Inactive
6085 Tasmania Base Force Inactive
6103 5th RAN Base Force Inactive
6206 1st NZ Brigade Inactive
6214 3rd NZ Brigade Inactive
6232 3rd NZ Division Delay 9999 days
6788 XI US Fighter Cmnd Delay 9999 days

[rjopel]

The following Allied units have overdue TOE upgrades, in some cases several upgrades:
ID Name TOE TOE Up
135 Far East USAAF Air HQ 41 0 days
136 Seventh USAAF Air HQ 41 0 days
5002 102nd USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5003 103rd USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5009 109th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5026 125th USAAF Base Force USA Air 0 days
5028 127th USAAF Base Force USA Air 0 days
5032 131st USAAF Base Force USA Air 0 days
5035 Mare USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5053 111th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5055 101st USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5063 204th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5074 95th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5092 198th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5096 94th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5097 197th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5098 208th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5107 1st Marine Defense Battalion USMC 0 days
5116 77th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5129 93rd Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5130 76th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5131 212th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5172 257th USAAF Base Force USA Air 0 days
5176 511th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5177 12th Marine Defense Battalion USMC 0 days
5180 258th USAAF Base Force USA Air 0 days
5193 611th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5214 608th Field AA Battalion USA 3bn 0 days
5216 612th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5218 610th Field AA Battalion USA 3bn 0 days
5221 607th Field AA Battalion USA 3bn 0 days
5228 70/100th Field AA Battalion USA 3bn 0 days
5241 738th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5242 207th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5270 17th Marine Defense Battalion USMC 0 days
5459 220th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5460 221st USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5461 222nd USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5462 223rd USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5463 224th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5465 226th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5466 227th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5467 228th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5468 229th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5469 230th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5470 231st USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5471 232nd USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5474 233rd USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5475 234th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5476 235th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5477 236th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5478 237th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5479 238th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5480 239th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5481 240th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5482 241st USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5483 242nd USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5503 I Corps Artillery USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5504 25th Infantry Division USA 1941 Infantry 0 days
5505 33rd Infantry Division USA 1942 Infantry 0 days
5506 41st Infantry Division USA 1941 Infantry 0 days
5507 767th Tank Tank Battalion USA Light Tank 0 days
5512 43rd Infantry Division USA 1942 Infantry 0 days
5513 Americal Infantry Division USA 1941 Infantry 0 days
5514 112th Cavalry Regiment USA Spec (112) Cav 0 days
5516 XI Corps Artillery USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5519 762nd Tank Tank Battalion USA Light Tank 0 days
5523 4th USMC Tank Tank Battalion USMC 43 Tank 0 days
5524 5th USMC Tank Tank Battalion USMC 44 Tank 0 days
5525 6th USMC Tank Tank Battalion USMC 44 Tank 0 days
5534 IX Corps Artillery USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5535 81st Infantry Division USA 1942 Infantry 0 days
5536 77th Infantry Division USA 1942 Infantry 0 days
5537 98th Infantry Division USA 1942 Infantry 0 days
5544 40th Infantry Division USA 1941 Infantry 0 days
5554 Oahu Harbor Defense Oahu Harbor Defense 0 days
5555 3rd Marine Defense Battalion USMC 0 days
5558 251st Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5559 298th(Sep) Infantry Regiment USA Infantry 0 days
5568 64th Field AA Battalion USA 3bn 0 days
5569 97th Field AA Battalion USA 3bn 0 days
5570 98th Field AA Battalion USA 3bn 0 days
5578 255th USN Base Force USN Port 0 days
5608 Puget Sound Defense Puget Sound Defense 0 days
5609 Columbia R Defenses Columbia R Defenses 0 days
5639 XX US Bomber Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5640 58th Bomber Wing Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5641 73rd Bomber Wing Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5643 XXI US Bomber Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5644 313th Bomber Wing Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5645 314th Bomber Wing Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5646 315th Bomber Wing Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5648 VII US Fgtr Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5649 301st Fgtr Wing Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5663 205th Field AA Battalion USA 2bn 0 days
5669 V US Bomber Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5670 54th TC Wing Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5671 V US Fighter Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5682 XIII US Bomber Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5683 XIII US Fighter Cmd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
5810 X Corps Artillery USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5811 763rd Tank Tank Battalion USA Light Tank 0 days
5819 XIII Corps Arty USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5829 6th Infantry Division USA 1942 Infantry 0 days
5830 32nd Infantry Division USA 1941 Infantry 0 days
5831 38th Infantry Division USA 1942 Infantry 0 days
5832 XIV Corps Artillery USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5838 V Corps Artillery USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5844 754th Tank Tank Battalion USA Light Tank 0 days
5849 XVIII Corps Arty USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5875 1st USMC Tank Tank Battalion USMC 42 Tank 0 days
5876 2nd USMC Tank Tank Battalion USMC 42 Tank 0 days
5877 3rd USMC Tank Tank Battalion USMC 42 Tank 0 days
5884 XXIV Corps Arty USA 44 Corps Arty 0 days
5911 766th Tank Tank Battalion USA Light Tank 0 days
5931 24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment USA Infantry 0 days
5932 37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment USA AK Infantry 0 days
5933 102nd(Sep) Infantry Regiment USA AK Infantry 0 days
5934 147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment USA Infantry 0 days
5937 193rd Tank Tank Battalion USA Light Tank 0 days
5945 I Australian Corps Aus Command/ 0 days
5947 7th Australian Division AIF 41 Inf 0 days
5948 9th Australian Division AIF 41 Inf 0 days
5952 2/4th Armoured Tank Regiment Aus 42 0 days
5953 2/9th Armoured Tank Regiment Aus 42 0 days
5954 2/7th Armoured Tank Regiment Aus 42 0 days
5968 6th RAAF Base Force RAAF 0 days
5969 9th RAN Base Force RAN Port 0 days
5970 16th RAAF Base Force RAAF 0 days
5973 20th RAAF Base Force RAAF 0 days
6246 2nd RNZAF Base Force RNZAF 0 days
6247 3rd RNZAF Base Force RNZAF 0 days
6249 5th RNZAF Base Force RNZAF 0 days
6271 13th Canadian Brigade Can 41 0 days
6280 18th Canadian Brigade Can 41 0 days
6281 19th Canadian Brigade Can 41 0 days
6302 Eighth USAAF 1st Division Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
6303 Eighth USAAF 2nd Division Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
6304 Eighth USAAF 3rd Division Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
6308 XXII US Bomber Cmd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
6512 3rd Carabiniers Tank Regiment Brit Lt Arm Rgt 41 0 days
6524 5th Indian Division Indian Div 5th (M/E 0 days
6784 II US Fighter Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
6786 VII US Fighter Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days
6787 XI US Bomber Cmnd Subordinate Air HQ 0 days

[henry1611]

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the updated scenarios.

I have one comment and one question on Scen 12 Marianas: Hakko Ichiu.

Comment: It may be because it is the Hakko Ichiu version of the scenario, but the upgrade paths on various USN and IJN vessels need some tweaking. Some vessels do not have the latest upgrade available for 5/44 and other vessels have upgrades that are not available until well past 5/44. Some examples: PENNSYLVANIA, CLEVELAND, SELFRIDGE, FULLHAM, HONOLULU, CASE, POLLACK, TAMBOR, THRESHER, VEGA, ARCTIC, GULFHAWK, GULFLAND AND OI.

Is there a way to use the Editor to change what upgrade a vessel is currently at in an on-going AI game akin to changing pool/production numbers for aircraft in an on-going AI game?

Question: Scen 12 has AI scripts but the "Use AI" button under the "Scenario" tab in the Editor is ticked "00 - No." Is that correct? What would the effect of ticking "01 - Yes" be?

Okay, that's more than one question . . .

I appreciate your efforts.

Henry

[Kull]

In Scenario 17, one of the Japanese xAKs (Ehime?) can upgrade to AG in "0" turns. Which means you can upgrade it AND send it off in a TF on the same turn. In Scenario 1, the same upgrade takes 21 days.

[Jorge_Stanbury]

Playing scenario 7 and so far nothing wrong to report

the Ehime instant conversion to AG bug occurs also on patch 6

[sanderz]

hi

are the zip files now broken? - only i can download OK but get errors unzipping (haven't had any problems with other zip files like the beta patch)

thanks

edit : ahhhh, stupid me, didn't see you need to change zip to exe - apologies for time wasting

[Itdepends]

Data updates don't appear to apply to games in progress? Specifically looking at the depth charge line up for super E's. Applying the beta patch and starting a new scenario 2 game gives a change (Type C class changes to 7 type 2 depth charge mounts, 3 LS, 3 RS and 1 Rear).

Starting a new game using the pre beta data patch the same boat has 12 Type 2 Centre and 1 rear.

Applying the beta data patch to the above game on turn 2 and the Type C continues to have 12 centre and 1 Rear.

I selected "Yes" when asked to apply database updates- is there something else I need to do?