Should CV's not fly when out of fuel?

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:11 pm

I have noticed that CV's continue to fly aircraft even without fuel left. As CV's have no supply limitation except for Fuel limits, should they continue to be able to conduct air missions once out of fuel. As it sits now, even completely out of fuel, chugging along at 1 hex per turn, they still fly 100% of their aircraft.

This strikes me as rather silly, meaning even if you do not bother to refuel them, they are still 100% effective at a reduced speed.

Weathersfield · Post by **Weathersfield** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:24 pm

I hate it when my CV flies!!

I would agree, eventhough they are different things, fuel oil vs aviation gas, something should make you refuel your CVs.

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:44 pm

I would agree, eventhough they are different things, fuel oil vs aviation gas, something should make you refuel your CVs.

I understand, but they have abstracted anything naval to use fuel instead of supplies, so it's the logical fix until WitP which hopefully has real supplies for things like this.

The same argument can be applied to PT boats which ran on super octane gas, not fuel oil, but again, it is abstracted to be fuel = all naval consumables.

Full Moon · Post by **Full Moon** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:50 pm

Flying CVs:eek:
It reminds of airships USN developed in 1930s. They intended to use them as flying airplane tenders.
I would say yes, but it is stranger to me that airplanes only cosume supplies not fuels. :rolleyes:

m0ngoose · Post by **m0ngoose** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:50 pm

And keep im mind the value shown is Endurance. Fuel is actually on another screen.

In regards to this post, my carriers stopped launching strikes when the entire TF ran out of gas. So I have not witnessed the issue in contention but I agree that logically when you are out of juice nothing goes!

And to add to that, typically the CVs had to turn into the wind and do 30 knots for launch of planes which is hard to do when you are running on fumes....

Feinder · Post by **Feinder** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:05 am

Was it Stargazers or something like that, that had a flying Yamato...?

PBY Capt : "This Fox 9 with contact report. Position is grid 4, at 6.7 north, 1.2 west. Contact appears to be a large aircraft carrier at 16,000 feet.

Cairns Tower : "This is Cairns tower Fox 9. Receivd your report, grid 4, 6.7 north, 1.2 west. Confirm your contact please. We read your report as CV contact at 16,000 feet. Please confirm."

PBY Capt : "This is Fox 9 confirming contact with IJN CV, likely Soryu class, at 16,000 feet. Contact is launching fighters, heading into T-storm to evade..."

Hours later, the log of the PBY pilot (who landed safely) and the Cairns Tower log were confiscated...

-F-

Yamamoto · Post by **Yamamoto** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:28 am

Originally posted by Feinder
Was it Stargazers or something like that, that had a flying Yamato...?
-F-

Starblazers was the name of the show outside of Japan. In Japan it was called Space Battleship Yamato. I saw that show every morning when I was about 13 years old and I loved it. The storyline was very detailed and involved. Not at all like typical American animated programming. It was the second anime I ever saw. The first one was speed racer. At the time I had no idea either one was Japanese. All three seasons of Space battleship Yamato, as well as the five movies, are available on DVD and laserdisc today for those of you who are interested.

Yamamoto

Full Moon · Post by **Full Moon** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:34 am

Originally posted by Yamamoto
Starblazers was the name of the show outside of Japan. In Japan it was called Space Battleship Yamato. I saw that show every morning when I was about 13 years old and I loved it. The storyline was very detailed and involved. Not at all like typical American animated programming. It was the second anime I ever saw. The first one was speed racer. At the time I had no idea either one was Japanese. All three seasons of Space battleship Yamato, as well as the five movies, are available on DVD and laserdisc today for those of you who are interested.

Yamamoto

I loved it too. I also liked Captain Harlock series. It is belived that Captain Harlock was Kodai Mamoru of Space Battleship Yamato.

Joel Billings · Post by **Joel Billings** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:36 am

You guys are welcome to run a poll but we've already limited ships in the patch so that they can't launch aircraft if they have no fuel. The answer is don't run out of fuel when playing the patch.

Joel

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:10 am

Wow

All I can say is great minds think alike!

Thanks for that one Joel.

It struck me as rather silly when I ran into it on the weekend.

Funny enough, it had never happened to me before because I always watch fuel levels and keep some AO/TK's fueled and ready to save me from myself!

It just so happened that due to bad weather, I decimated 71 bombers from his CV TF and just HAD to chase him all the way back to port to see how many CV's could be sunk since he no longer had any effective form of attack. The weather grounded my bombers which would have flown and met the same fate his did, as I was running 90% CAP

I stopped 1 hex from Truk

but managed to put all the CV's to the bottom on the way, but obviously was out of fuel. I figured I was toast now, yet to my shock, all my planes continued to fly and take out convoy after convoy as my replenishment TF came puttering along to save the day and get me back home.

In reality, my CV's should have been forced to break off and re-supply, letting his CV's get away after about half the chase. I think while this will probably annoy some folks, it will bring CV use back into the realm of reality

Yamamoto · Post by **Yamamoto** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:27 am

Originally posted by Joel Billings
...in the patch ...

Joel

When do you think the patch will be out? Unlike everyone else who asks this question, I'm hoping it will be later and not sooner. Also, could you tell us some of the items in the patch? Naturally, that might change my mind about wanting it later rather than sooner.

Yamamoto

Full Moon · Post by **Full Moon** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 2:35 am

What makes you don't like the change, Yamamoto? Just curious.

Yamamoto · Post by **Yamamoto** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 3:52 am

Originally posted by Full Moon
What makes you don't like the change, Yamamoto? Just curious.

Actually, it's not the nature of the change but ANY change that I don't want right away. I'd like it to happen in about a month. You'll find out why later tonight or tomorrow... depending on how many people post to my poll I set up last night.

Yamamoto

DaveConn · Post by **DaveConn** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 4:05 am

Actually, all a/c should be grounded because the CV can't make enough speed to conduct air ops, regardless of whether there is avgas or not.

But who would ever let a carrier run out of fuel anyway?

pasternakski · Post by **pasternakski** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 4:26 am

Originally posted by DaveConn
Actually, all a/c should be grounded because the CV can't make enough speed to conduct air ops, regardless of whether there is avgas or not.

But who would ever let a carrier run out of fuel anyway?

xlnt post.

Fred98 · Post by **Fred98** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 4:34 am

From time to time my ships run out of fuel because I have no idea of the fuel level.

bilbow · Post by **bilbow** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 4:54 am

This whole thread is an eye-opener for me. I never thought you could possibly still launch- I have never allowed my carriers to get even close to out-of-fuel. Leaving your most valuable asset unable to move is unthinkable. If you screw up and don't keep an eye on fuel, then you should pay.

In a PBEM game, my opponents would make me pay bigtime for letting my carriers run out, and if they couldn't then the game's over anyway.

Maybe that's why the bug is there- the designers never thought anyone would ever allow the carriers to run out.