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wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:10 pm

What type of plane do these wings belong to?

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:16 am

Geeze.... It would be a bit easier if you could actually see em...... [:(]

However, given the size, the large taper from the base to the tip and the assumed link to the Pacific, I am going to take a punt on a pair of TBF/TBM wings.

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:28 am

It looked OK before posting, but it comes up kind of dark now. Is this better?

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:30 am

Another angle.

I have a bunch of these. I thought I would start with one with a little bit of a challenge since people here are so good at identifying stuff. Maybe it was too hard?

ChezDaJez · Post by **ChezDaJez** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:50 am

ORIGINAL: Reg

Geeze.... It would be a bit easier if you could actually see em...... [:(]

However, given the size, the large taper from the base to the tip and the assumed link to the Pacific, I am going to take a punt on a pair of TBF/TBM wings.

I think you are right, Reg. The shape of the wing where it joins the fuselage with the right angle cut out would seem to indicate a wing that didn't just fold but also swept backwards. That would certainly apply to an Avenger.

Chez

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:00 am

Both of you are warm. The big open box is covered with a panel held on with zeus fasteners (fancy screws).

Bill

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:08 am

Got it!!

Outer (folding) wing panels of a Curtiss SB2C Helldiver. It must be a one big airplane!! [X(]

Allowing for the removal of the wing tips, dive flaps and ailerons the wing panels line up nicely with the panels seen at http://aircraftdrawingsdownload.com/files/sb2c.pdf

There is only one other SB2C flying in the world but this one looks like it is still a long way off joining it.

I was initially thrown by the lack of curves but without the wingtips and ailerons you can't tell. I was always a bit suspicious of the layout of the fold line which didn't quite fit the TBM but it lines up nicely for a SB2C.

By the way Don, they are actually DZUS fasteners and it would be a brave aircraft designer who would use them on a load bearing panel of that size. They are designed for quick release and are not particularly strong. Most likely that panel will be secured by screws.

ORIGINAL: wdolson

Maybe it was too hard?

Never!!! [:D]

JeffroK · Post by **JeffroK** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:09 am

Hellcat??

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:13 am

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Hellcat??

I thought about that too but the panels are all wrong. The hellcat has constant width skin panel planks near the wingtip. These taper toward the wingtip.

http://aircraftdrawingsdownload.com/files/f6f3.pdf

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:34 am

I'm embarrassed to say that I thought these were the wings of an F6F too when I posted it, but you are right. This was in another part of the same hanger.

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:36 am

I took over 400 pictures that day. Great thing digital cameras...

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:01 am

ORIGINAL: wdolson

I'm embarrassed to say that I thought these were the wings of an F6F too when I posted it, but you are right. This was in another part of the same hanger.

That's definitely a Helldiver!! Nice to see there is one under restoration and it looks like a good job too.

Were there any other treasures tucked away in the corners of that hanger?

Please post some more pics as they are very interesting.

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:10 am

There were many treasures. Quite a few are too obvious for a challenge like this one.

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:44 am

Pulling out a couple of my plastic kits and looking at the wings...

The join of the folding part and the fixed part of the wing on the SB2C is straight and the outer panel is not as long as the F6F. The Hellcat does have some taper to the wing if you take away the aileron. Looking at a Hellcat kit with separate outer wings, the shape of the top, outer left wing looks about right from the pictures. The big hole in the wing is also the right place for the ammo bay on the F6F.

The outer wing panel on the Hellcat is 16 1/2 feet long. The outer wing on the SB2C is 14 feet. This is calculated from measuring the 1/48 scale model parts I have here.

That museum is restoring both an F6F-3 and an SB2C-3. They specialize in rarer aircraft.

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:44 pm

Sorry Bill but that definitely is a SB2C wing...

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:17 pm

It's also the bottom of the wing too. Good call. I stand corrected.

Bill

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:41 pm

ORIGINAL: wdolson

That museum is restoring both an F6F-3 and an SB2C-3. They specialize in rarer aircraft.

The F6F parts must be around somewhere, have you got any pictures of those???

wdolson · Post by **wdolson** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:15 am

I don't have any pictures of it. It was tucked away somewhere when I was there (which was 2 years ago).

They do have a shot on their website.

https://yanksair.com/Products/70/71/Grumman-G-50-Hellcat-F6F-3/

If anybody finds themselves in the Los Angeles area. I strongly recommend going out to Chino which is on the eastern fringe of the metro area. There are two huge air museums there. I grew up about 45 minutes from there and going to the air museum beat Disneyland hands down. The second museum started when I was in high school.

Bill

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