WitE New Public Beta v1.06.22 Available

[morvael]

According to a quick survey I made in the CSV export files, the following Soviet planes have no end date set and no upgrade path:
I-15bis, I-153, I-153BS, I-15bis, I-16 Type 18, I-16 Type 24, I-16 Type 29, I-16 Type 5, Yak-4, La-7, R-5, R-Z, R-10, SB-2, SB-2(recon), Ar-2, IL-10, IL-4, TB-3G-2, Li-2VP

At least some of them were not produced till the end of war, so their end dates should be set properly. I would be willing to do it, but how to send you the list of proposed changes?

[Helpless]

What would be the point setting end date to the planes which are not produced?

[morvael]

From least to most important reasons:
1) being a software developer myself, I'm kind of data nazi, so if the quality (completeness) of data can be improved - it should. You never know where this may come handy (like the problem caused in the latest patch to ARM factories - it's source is in data inconsistency).
2) to serve as visual reminder for people that this or that plane is obsolete - being relatively new to WitE I still remember how overwhelming the production screen looks with all those names that say nothing, a couple of # could be handy.
3) to help the upgrade/swap engine in deciding when to phase out old planes. Everyone's favourite source says for example that I-16 was produced until 1942, and half of the produced planes were still in service when they were phased out in 1943. So setting end date to 12-41 or 1-42 should help the engine to phase out those planes in '43.

[Helpless]

3) to help the upgrade/swap engine in deciding when to phase out old planes. Everyone's favourite source says for example that I-16 was produced until 1942, and half of the produced planes were still in service when they were phased out in 1943. So setting end date to 12-41 or 1-42 should help the engine to phase out those planes in '43.

I-16 (combat version) was never produced that late, at least in meaningful quantities. It was officially out of production by the end of 1940.

For the planes with no production end date is not used much.

[Denniss]

Polykarpov factory (in Gorky/Moskovsky) produced I-16 up to early 1941 (partially side-by-side with LaGG-3) but then completely switched to LaGG-3 (their fighter proposal lost the competition against MiG-3 and LaGG-3 and was not selected for production). Factory became the major producer of LaGG, La-5 and La-7 but was at some time in danger of being taken-over by Yakovlev.

[Helpless]

ORIGINAL: Denniss

Polykarpov factory (in Gorky/Moskovsky) produced I-16 up to early 1941 (partially side-by-side with LaGG-3) but then completely switched to LaGG-3 (their fighter proposal lost the competition against MiG-3 and LaGG-3 and was not selected for production). Factory became the major producer of LaGG, La-5 and La-7 but was at some time in danger of being taken-over by Yakovlev.

They made 80 I-16 in 1941, all the rest were trainers UTI-4.

http://www.rudolf.webservis.ru/72ag_boo ... 9_41gg.htm

In any case that was long before June 1941

[morvael]

Ok, the end date could be set to whatever you experts say. Anyway, certainly 1) and 2) remain valid points and I also thought that 3) is a valid reason in light of recent patch changes (though now as I read them I see they affect mostly ground elements, especially AFVs, not planes).

[gingerbread]

I strongly suggest that this patch (1.06.22) is withdrawn, since it will mess up the industry.

It's a beta so nuking it should not be a hard call to make.

[vinnie71]

ORIGINAL: gingerbread

I strongly suggest that this patch (1.06.22) is withdrawn, since it will mess up the industry.

It's a beta so nuking it should not be a hard call to make.

In what way is it messing up the industry?

[morvael]

ARM factories over 16 will be reduced to 16. Soviets lose about 15 ARM production if they didn't move their at-start ARM factories making them smaller in the process (when moving in parts).

[Denniss]

And vehicle facs above 20 will be reduced to 20. Axis lose 20 points here.

[morvael]

Ouch.

[Denniss]

To start a new game with .22 and without the bug it's probably enough if you load generic data in editor, remove build limit from ground element types 1483 and 1489 and save generic data.
To verify this start a human:human 1941 campaign and keep an eye on Soviet Arm + German Vehicle facs on turn 2.

[Joel Billings]

There is a new 1.06.23 public beta hotfix now available here: tm.asp?m=3234730