AE Land and AI Issues [OUTDATED]

[rjopel]

I have the 1st Filipino in the Dec 8 Full campaign. It is not in the DaBigBabes 7 Dec start game I'm playing. So I think it depends on the scenario author.

[Blackhorse]

In stock AE, unit 5267 is the 1st Filipino Infantry Regiment, arriving in San Francisco on 6-Apr-44.

[pnzrgnral]

rjopel, Blackhorse, thanks for the responses. Just goes to show one should look at the reinforcements before relying on one's game memory. I guess it's like most IT techs when asked why someone's monitor is blank - "Did you turn it on or plug it in?" I'll crawl back under my rock in shame now [&o]

[btbw]

Japanese 25cm type 41 CD gun
In Scenario 2 gun have range 13k yards when in really had 27k yards. Why so much decrease?

[inqistor]

Device 1137 90mm M2 DP Gun have pool of 50, but it begins production at 4305, and is upgrade for 1136 90mm M1A1 AA Gun, which have pool of 0.

Those pools probably should be exchanged.

[Blackhorse]

ORIGINAL: inqistor

Device 1137 90mm M2 DP Gun have pool of 50, but it begins production at 4305, and is upgrade for 1136 90mm M1A1 AA Gun, which have pool of 0.

Those pools probably should be exchanged.

Logically, I can see why one would think that, but the in-game pools are correct.

The "pool" for the early-model M1A1 AA is a "convoy" unit that arrives on July 1, 1942, then disbands. The "convoy" includes 100 of the heavy anti-aircraft guns.

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: btbw

Japanese 25cm type 41 CD gun
In Scenario 2 gun have range 13k yards when in really had 27k yards. Why so much decrease?

Error/typo

[btbw]

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

Error/typo

Don think so. I bet it special action.
As i see some japan naval guns had lower range then had. It going from wrong reports which based on some old type gun mounts and wrong-crossing guns of same caliber.

[btbw]

Scenario 2
Many Armored Cars have wrong range.
For example
Alvis-Straussler Armoured Car have range 2!!!! Same as SU-85/100/122 or T-34/85. So how MG have same range like 85-100-122mm AT gun????
Vickers power?
Many examples....

[margeorg]

Hmm,

I´m not familiar with the armoured car mentioned here, but generally spoken heavy MGs could indeed fire at long ranges. F.e. the german MG-42 (when mounted on a tripod as a heavy MG) was able to fire at ranges up to 2200m, thus overshooting own forces. The bullets reached heights of more than 30m in flight. By using MGs like this they could place MG fire f.e. 400m ahead of your own attacking infantry.

[btbw]

Alvis-Straussler Armoured Car was armed with 2x 6.5mm Vickers (for DEI at least)


, like many others Armored Cars which had wrong range 1-2. If compare with REALLY EQUIPPED with 0.5 MG cars like M3A - THEY HAVE RANGE 0!!!!
Can imagine logic of that?

[JeffroK]

WITPAE AT START UNITS
AUSTRALIAN ARMY
Working in no WITPAE order, Ive listed slot numbers


I have little complaint about the units chosen to be listed, there were lots of, for example Light Hrse Regiments, which had a short life and where often at about 25% TOE.

But these units were then spread all around the map, few are actually in the correct locations, locations often covered by units which should be elsewhere.

If someone can make corrections to this info, please go ahead and let me know the source. I have basically used the War Diaries from the Australian War Memorial, but have found contradictions so am happy to make changes.

There needs to be bases created to replicate the Seymour/Puckapunyal, Bandiana & Greta/Rutherford/Singleton complexes. (I'll post suggested hexes next)

The Bird units should be Force rather than Bn, Lark Bn is lame, should be Lark Force.

All Tank Attack Rgts s/be Anti Tank Rgts until 6/43

2/11 Armoured Car Rgt should be at Tamworth
5957 has it at Charleville

2/5, 2/6 & 2/7 Arm Rgts should be at Singleton
5967&5968 are at Charleville and 5969 at Newcastle.

2/8, 2/9 & 2/10 Arm Rgts should be at Seymour
5970 is at Mildura and 5971 & 5972 at Broken Hill.

3 Independent Coy should be in Sydney, it left for New Caledonia on 8/12/41,
unit 5987 arrives in Sydney on 25/12/41

2 Recce Bn should be at Beenleigh (Brisbane hex)
6052 is at Cloncurry

1 Cavalry Bde is called 1 Motor Bde, this change doesnt happen until early 1942. AE has it at Cairns but I have 5 Mot Rgt at Gympie & 11 Mot Rgt at Gatton which are about 100km north of Bribane. (I have also seen the Bde at Cairns and its HQ at Toowoomba????)

11 Bde should be at Townsville with 51Bn at Cairns
6039 has the Bde at Brisbane.

47Bn should be at Maryborough and 42 Bn at Yeppoon/Rockhampton. These units become 29 Bde in late January 1942.
AE has 6040 at start at Bundaberg.

53 Bn should be at Sydney getting ready for Pt Moresby,
AE has 5058 at Townsville.

4 Cavalry Bde 6044 wasn't at Bathurst, it was covering the coast south of Pt Kembla, we don't have any bases to cover,Its units were at different towns. For the game Bathurst is the only option.

6 Cavalry Bde should be at Adelaide
6045 has it at Mildura

1st Bde should be at Newcastle
6014 starts at Sydney

5th Bde should be at Sydney
6024 starts at Canberra

8th Bde should have 2Bns in Newcastle and 1Bn Sydney
6023 is in Canberra as well.

14th Bde should be at Newcastle.
6022 is in Wagga

39 Bn should be at Darley Camp, Baccus Marsh. Melbourne would do.
6056 is at Sydney

22 Motor Rgt should be at Brighton Camp. Hobart would do
6053 as at Queenstown

3rd Cavalry Bde should be at Geelong
6043 is 3 Motor Bde at Melbourne, name change comes later

17 LH MG Rgt should be “near” Geelong 6048 is at Mildura

19 LH MG Rgt should be “near” Geelong 6049 has it at Portland

30 Brigade forms at Port Moresby on 3 January 1942, the game has 6055 arriving 420315 and should absorb 39 Bn, 49 Bn & 53 Bn.

109th Tank Attack Rgt 6134 should be 109th Anti Tank Regiment at Perth

4th Bde should be at Bonegilla 6027 is at Melbourne.

10th Bde should be at Seymour 6028 is at Portsea

15th Bde should be at Seymour 6029 is at Sale

2nd Bde should be at Mt Martha (Portsea) 6053 is at Portland

6th Bde should be at Balcombe (Portsea) 6032 is in Adelaide

3rd Bde should be at Adelaide 6060 is at Broken Hill

10 Recce Bn (often called 10 LH Rgt) should be in Perth 6050 is at Geraldton (But often trained in that area)

25 LH MG Bn had companies at Albany, Busselton, Bunbury & Geraldton
6051 is at Albany

44Bn was at Perth
6063 is at Kalgoorlie

49 Bn (less 1 coy) should be at Port Moresby

13 Bde Its Bns (11,16 &28) were in Perth
6011 28Bn is at Busselton

NGVR Coys are listed as NG Rifles

108 Tank Attack Rgt
5961 should be at Seymour

5963 2/4 Arm Rgt starts the game, it was formed 11/42 at Wee Waa (nr Tamworth)

5983 2/1 Independent Company should be 1st Independent Company (and changes name in 1942, it had detachments at Kavieng, Vila, Tulagi, Buka so should not be solely at Kavieng)

5984 2/2 Independent Company should be 2nd Independent Company

5986 should be Kanga Force, not Kanga Force Bn,Was more a Headquaters and consists of many in-game units. ( it was also formed from of 1 Indep Coy, 2/5 Indep Coy & the NGVR.)

6014 1st Infantry Bde should be at Newcastle, not Sydney

6016 18Bn should be at St Ives/Sydney, not Newcastle

6017 41Bn should be at Newcastle as part of 1st Bde,

6018 45Bn should be at Pt Hacking(Sydney), not Port Kembla

6034 32Bn should be at Mt Martha(Portsea) with 2nd Bde, not Mildura

6035 38Bn should be at Balcombe with 6th Bde not Geelong.

6062 Port Moresby Bde Doesn't exist, Port Moresby had 49 Bn(-1 coy) and Papuan Inf Bn.

Wren Force should be Nauru Force (changed 8/41)

Heron Force should be Ocean Force (maybe Ocean Is Force?)

2/16 Field Rgt should be 16 Field Rgt

21/22 Field Rgt should be individual units until merged.

[Natali]

That is so cool JeffK. Thank you for posting that.

A question for you and And Mac. Will anything of this hurt the AI? I have a very hard box to work in and the AI is stone wall. If it won't hurt the AI, I will use all of it I can for the BabesLite update and the 42 scenario.

Regards, Sam.

edited for typing faster than the brain works [;)]

[Don Bowen]

I believe that the detachments on Ocean and Nauru Islands were indeed called Wren Force and Heron Force. Thet were formed from 13 Field Regiment, the bulk of which was at Port Moresby.

The "Bird" forces, as far as I can find, were:

Sparrow - Timor
Gull - Ambon
Lark - Rabaul
Wren - Nauru Island
Heron - Ocean Island
Robin - Noumea (installing Coast Defense guns).

I've always suspected that the 2/1st Ind. Coy at Kavieng (and other locations**) would have had a "bird" identity but have never been able to find anything on the subject.

** Namatanai (New Ireland), Manus Island, Buka, Tulagi, Vila (New Hebrides)

[JeffroK]

Not correct Don.

There was a force sent to Naura & Ocean Is and named as Wren & Heron Force.

On their relief in August 1941 the names were changed to Nauru Force & Ocean Force (caould be Ocean Is Force??)

1st Independent Company at the locations you list & 2nd Independent Company were not part of a "Bird Force".
2 Ind Coy worked closely with Sparrow, 2 Ind Coy was tasked with Portuguese Timor(Dili) and Sparrow was to hold Koepang.

You can find the War Diaries of Wren/Nauru, Heron/Ocean and the Independent Companies at the Australian War Memorial

[Don Bowen]

is this it: http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/record ... 5-60-1.pdf

if so, I'll most certainly take your word for it. Long, not searchable, and quite mundane.

Besides, it's obvious that you know what you are talking about.

[JeffroK]

Long, not searchable, and quite mundane.
Not searchable, half of therm are not readable![8D]

But they provide an interesting insight in the mobilzation of the Australian Army for the war in the SW Pacific and the defence of Australia.

What we take for granted, or was easy for a highly mechanised country, was a far bigger effort for a country that didnt have a car industry and only assemblied wooden framed biplanes.

[JeffroK]

To enable allocation of Australian Army units above at least 3 bases need to be added,they can be 0/0 as no major airfields were associated with them.

Seymour Hex 82,169 Represents the Seymour/Puckapunyal complex.
Bandiana Hex 84,169
Greta Hex 90,165 (Or 1 hex further away from Newcastle) Represents the Greta/Rutherford/Singleton complex.

[Stvitus2002]

? about a TOE upgrade for the US 102nd (sep.) regiment: It lists
17 T14 light tanks. I believe these are supposed to be converted
Dutch tanks,right? I do not see them listed in the pool.



WO 0/0

[Andy Mac]

No new bases will be added because of impact on AI