Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks

[Encircled]

Not exactly manga though is it?!?

I wonder how many more of my favourite cartoons of the 80's were from the dark side?

I'm probably playing the wrong side, and I didn't even know it!

[desicat]

In "Operation Underdog" the go word really needs to be "Sweet Polly".

Funny coincidence is I just told some folks the other day that they needed to "fire up the wayback machine", they had no idea who Mr Peabody and Sherman were.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Not exactly manga though is it?!?

I wonder how many more of my favourite cartoons of the 80's were from the dark side?

I'm probably playing the wrong side, and I didn't even know it!

Just look at the eyes. [8D]

The Cities of Gold one looked pretty weird. Supposed to be Mayan/Incan in the 16th C. but these kids are flying a huge bird-shaped airplane? I thought the good drugs were in the 60s? [;)]

There are lots of good cartoons on the good guys side. I hope to dig up some oldies.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: desicat

In "Operation Underdog" the go word really needs to be "Sweet Polly".

Funny coincidence is I just told some folks the other day that they needed to "fire up the wayback machine", they had no idea who Mr Peabody and Sherman were.

I'm saving Operation SWEET POLLY PUREBRED for something big. You don't waste that one. No! [8D]

There's no end to the things today's young people don't know. Mr. Peabody is one of the most classic characters in all of literature. Shakespearian almost. That level of greatness, to quote Eddie Izzard.

[desicat]

There's no end to the things today's young people don't know. Mr. Peabody is one of the most classic characters in all of literature. Shakespearian almost. That level of greatness, to quote Eddie Izzard.

He should be, he spent enough time time going "back" to help many of histories greats after all.

What is the status of Wake, Guam, and Christmas Island?

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: desicat

There's no end to the things today's young people don't know. Mr. Peabody is one of the most classic characters in all of literature. Shakespearian almost. That level of greatness, to quote Eddie Izzard.

He should be, he spent enough time time going "back" to help many of histories greats after all.

What is the status of Wake, Guam, and Christmas Island?

Here, in my universe, he went back from the 1960s to tell FDR about the coming cartoons. I don't think the WBM could go forward, except to return to the present. In my universe Sherman wins a jitterbug contest with Betty Grable.

Wake is mine. Forts half way to 5, about 3000 supply, no air power. The civilian engineers disband by and by, but so far they're still working. Major D. is the CO of the Marines. Japan has not taken many normal early Japanese takes. I have Canton, Baker, Tarawa, and Makin. Have run supplies to Canton. Penryn has the naval service unit that appears there. It has no supply. Palmyra is his still, no activity seen. Intermittent sub patrols checking there.

Guam he took. Have no intel. Have only had subs up by Saipan on occasion. Not a lot of patrols seen.

Christmas Island East he has. I have a sub there in the hex and two away. No sign of activiity in or out. No mines seen.

Are you trying to figure out UNDERDOG's objective? [:)]

[desicat]

Are you trying to figure out UNDERDOG's objective?

I saw Canoe Rebel place value on Enewetak in his long ago game with John III. Given that you still have Wake the taking of Enewetak would give you a nice self supporting air power umbrella that would cause him problems. If I still had Wake I would use it to disrupt free unobserved access to Marcus.

It is a bit too early for Saipan although you did just mention it. It may be a weak spot since he had to take Guam. No point in taking Johnson back as it is now just a POW camp.

[erstad]

I'm saving Operation SWEET POLLY PUREBRED for something big. You don't waste that one. No!

Will you dare name an operation "Nell"? Or would naming an Allied operation Nell be tempting fate?

[BBfanboy]

Are you trying to figure out UNDERDOG's objective?

To leave doo-doos in his back yard? [:D]

Re: the CMs etc. near Johnston - those things can also do fast transport after they drop some mines. I bet he is evacing the island.

Old cartoons:
Lil' Abner - characters like Daisy Mae, Mama Yokum, Pappy Yokum, IP somebody?
Popeye - Olive Oyl, Swee' Pea, Bluto, and didn't he have a hamburger-loving pal named Wimpy?
Dick Tracy - can't remember the names of the secondary characters, except villains like Pruneface. Most of the characters had funny names
Steamboat Willy - hey, it's naval isn't it?
Alley Oop - you did say you were a dinosaur ...

[jmalter]

hmm, Operation CHEECHWIZARD will give the enemy a certain, erm, hurt to the nether regions. 'soft underbelly'? no, think a bit lower down.

Operation BUGSBUNNY will surely deal the final death-blow!

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: jmalter

hmm, Operation CHEECHWIZARD will give the enemy a certain, erm, hurt to the nether regions. 'soft underbelly'? no, think a bit lower down.

Operation BUGSBUNNY will surely deal the final death-blow!

Lots of possibilities from the Looney Tunes family: Op Tasmanian Devil, Op Fog[of war]horn Leghorn, Op Daffy Duck, Op Tweety Bird, Op Chip and Dale ... Op Illudium Q35 Explosive Space Modulator!

[Encircled]

I'm wary of suggesting some more British cartoons till I've checked which country has made them!

I'll stick to Disney to be on the safe side

The Indian Army marching to the Burmese border

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQQZuLru9s

[desicat]

I'm thinking he is working along the lines of Tennessee Tuxedo and Chumly, Rough and Ready, Klondike Cat, Dudley Do Right, Mr Wizard, and the whole Fractured Fairy Tale line-up.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: desicat

Are you trying to figure out UNDERDOG's objective?

I saw Canoe Rebel place value on Enewetak in his long ago game with John III. Given that you still have Wake the taking of Enewetak would give you a nice self supporting air power umbrella that would cause him problems. If I still had Wake I would use it to disrupt free unobserved access to Marcus.

It is a bit too early for Saipan although you did just mention it. It may be a weak spot since he had to take Guam. No point in taking Johnson back as it is now just a POW camp.

The Super Bowl is messing with our weekend turns, so I have some dead time re the game. This post made me think, whcih is a good reason to get comments in an AAR. As everyone probably knows this is my first, but my opponent has played many, going back to WITP. One thing I think about a lot is how and when to transition to offense. I feel as if I'm still in the "shore up" phases, plugging holes, moving core assets, trying to slow him down and eat up time and amphib bonus. UNDERDOG is my first combined arms naval operation, but it shouldn't be seen as anything major. Eniwetok would be a very major dice roll in late February 1942.

For objectives like Eniwetok--which I agree is a major target at some point in a GC--my test is pretty much the old saw about the dog that chases cars. If he catches one what does he do with it? Right now I have no air power to spare. What I have is stretched and outclassed and every unit has four jobs already. I don't have escorts to run resupply, not at those ranges. I don't have spare LCUs big enough to go that deep into Indian country and survive a concerted effort to re-invade. Eniwetok later on can be a major asset for a Marianas campaign. It is inside mid-war LR recon plane range of Saipan, and it can be a major supply dump as well as R&R base for invasion troops who have been on ships from CONUS. But going at it now serves no strategic purpose except to deny it to Japan for the moment (Japan has shown no interest), and to collect some VPs. But holding it risks far more VPs in the short and medium term.

Saipan in February 1942 is a pipe-dream.

What to do with Johnson is a harder call. Is it a POW camp? To a large extent that depends on Japan. They certainly have the forces now to take it back to what it was before NEUMAN. A patrol plane base, an advanced sub base, a constant threat to Pearl. All NEUMAN did, if it did anything, was serve notice that Johnson might be more expensive than not if Japan wants to make full use of it. If I did another raid there I'd use carriers. And the AF is too small to really mount CAP to deal with 3-4 carrier air wings. Johnson is distance-isolated from help unless he also grabs another AF closer to Hawaii, which was his intention I think when he moved in there.

Taking Johnson down is not risk free since I don't know where the KB is and Kwajalein is within easy surface TF range, but it's a whole order of magnitude lower risk than an Eniwetok. The garrison is small and I can see it. It's a quick sail from Pearl. Supply is close. Re-taking it blinds him to events around Pearl to a great extent. Palmyra is still there, but it's a one-shot without Johnson to backstop it. And Palmyra is also vulnerable to an assault from the WC, as well as one out of Port Stanley, a direction I doubt he's watching.

My assessment right now, with limited data, is that NEUMAN suggested Johnson might cost more than it's worth, and he will back away from it. The next ten days will say a lot about the IJN's priorities.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: erstad

I'm saving Operation SWEET POLLY PUREBRED for something big. You don't waste that one. No!

Will you dare name an operation "Nell"? Or would naming an Allied operation Nell be tempting fate?

If I get that far down the character list it's going to have been a VERY busy war. [:)]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Are you trying to figure out UNDERDOG's objective?

To leave doo-doos in his back yard? [:D]

Re: the CMs etc. near Johnston - those things can also do fast transport after they drop some mines. I bet he is evacing the island.

I didn't know that and I had not thought of that. Thanks.

Old cartoons:
Lil' Abner - characters like Daisy Mae, Mama Yokum, Pappy Yokum, IP somebody?
Popeye - Olive Oyl, Swee' Pea, Bluto, and didn't he have a hamburger-loving pal named Wimpy?
Dick Tracy - can't remember the names of the secondary characters, except villains like Pruneface. Most of the characters had funny names
Steamboat Willy - hey, it's naval isn't it?
Alley Oop - you did say you were a dinosaur ...

Abner has some interesting possibilities. Also Pogo. Popeye was never one of my faves. The villain changed names for no good reason (Brutus and Bluto), and Olive's voice is the stuff of nightmares. Yes, Wimpy would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. Dick Tracy is for the real purists. Not widely read after the 1970s. The villain names were an inspiration for Spiderman I think. Alley Oop has some upside. It's idiomatic in American English these days.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: jmalter

hmm, Operation CHEECHWIZARD will give the enemy a certain, erm, hurt to the nether regions. 'soft underbelly'? no, think a bit lower down.

Operation BUGSBUNNY will surely deal the final death-blow!

CHEECHWIZARD is a new one on me. Off to Google . . .

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

I'm wary of suggesting some more British cartoons till I've checked which country has made them!

I'll stick to Disney to be on the safe side

The Indian Army marching to the Burmese border

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQQZuLru9s

Not too far off the truth. [:)]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: desicat

I'm thinking he is working along the lines of Tennessee Tuxedo and Chumly, Rough and Ready, Klondike Cat, Dudley Do Right, Mr Wizard, and the whole Fractured Fairy Tale line-up.

I am, after all, very, very old. [:)]

The real test will be if the Internets can provide art work.

[Crackaces]

No point in taking Johnson back as it is now just a POW camp

Just an example of some nuances .. the drop tank distance of a Hellcat is 25 hexes .. Pearl to Palmaya is 26 hexes . [;)] but Johnson to Palmaya is 22 hexes and then Canton Island is 22 hexes .. If island hopping of certain fighter groups is in the future Johnson Island becomes a little bit more than a POW camp ..[8D]

The big purpose I find for Johnson at this stage of the game is interlocking patrol arcs ithe Pearl/Midway ...