Richard III

[stockwellpete]

The War of the Roses would make an excellent subject for a two-player WEGO computer wargame. I know there is a new game called exactly this but it is an action-type game rather than a political strategy-type game. I have played Field of Glory PC a lot oer the last two years and I have designed custom scenarios for all the main battles plus I linked them all up with a very basic text campaign system (in hard copy, not a computer programme). And the results of the campaigns that have been played have come out fairly evenly between Yorkists and Lancastrians - basically victory points are awarded for winning battles and killing leaders of the other faction. So I think a well-researched wargame for the PC would be a very interesting project indeed.

[Empire101]

ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

The War of the Roses would make an excellent subject for a two-player WEGO computer wargame. I know there is a new game called exactly this but it is an action-type game rather than a political strategy-type game. I have played Field of Glory PC a lot oer the last two years and I have designed custom scenarios for all the main battles plus I linked them all up with a very basic text campaign system (in hard copy, not a computer programme). And the results of the campaigns that have been played have come out fairly evenly between Yorkists and Lancastrians - basically victory points are awarded for winning battles and killing leaders of the other faction. So I think a well-researched wargame for the PC would be a very interesting project indeed.

I would buy it!![:)]

Kingmaker writ large.....one day....one glorious day...

[redcoat]

ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

The War of the Roses would make an excellent subject for a two-player WEGO computer wargame. I know there is a new game called exactly this but it is an action-type game rather than a political strategy-type game. I have played Field of Glory PC a lot oer the last two years and I have designed custom scenarios for all the main battles plus I linked them all up with a very basic text campaign system (in hard copy, not a computer programme). And the results of the campaigns that have been played have come out fairly evenly between Yorkists and Lancastrians - basically victory points are awarded for winning battles and killing leaders of the other faction. So I think a well-researched wargame for the PC would be a very interesting project indeed.

I have played many of your Wars of the Roses scenarios. Very good. Thanks for making them.

[Toby42]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: warspite1


warspite1

Well certainly not French - the Normans (largely descended from Vikings - Norsemen) did not really consider themselves French at all. Welcome to the hotch potch of European history.

Even the Conquerer's children were a blend. But for sure, Henry II was the son of Geoffrey of Anjou, and Henry's wife was from Aquitaine. So Richard I was, at best, 1/4 Norman - the rest mostly French. John's wife was from Angouleme & his son's wife was from Provence. Then Edward I & Edward II had French wives. You have to go to Edward III to find a non-French wife. Then Henry V & Henry VI were back to French again. The Plantagenets were pretty much French.

warspite1

But not French in the sense we know today. Could you argue that the 100-years war was in fact a French civil war?

Isn't the present day Royal Family of German Ancestry?

[Empire101]

Correct.

Thats why I posted Richard was the very last 'true' English King.

As to them speaking french; french was the the language of the court as custom dictated, but he spoke english when 'off duty'[:D]

[wodin]

yes..Saxo Gothbergs

[redcoat]

ORIGINAL: Treale

Isn't the present day Royal Family of German Ancestry?

Most English people have some Germanic ancestry. The Anglo-Saxons originally came from NW Europe. [:D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: wodin

yes..Saxo Gothbergs

warspite1

Also known as Saxe-Coburg Gotha. Queen Victoria's husband Prince Albert came from that House, although Victoria herself was of German descent - her father was the son of King George III (of Hanoverian descent, and whose Grandfather - George II - was the last English King born outside the UK) and her mother was also German of the Saxe-Coburg Saalfeld House.

Still with it? Good cos I'm thoroughly confused

[rodney727]

Some people wanted George Washington to be the first king of America... If in fact that happened he would have been of English decent.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: wodin

yes..Saxo Gothbergs

warspite1

Also known as Saxe-Coburg Gotha. Queen Victoria's husband Prince Albert came from that House, although Victoria herself was of German descent - her father was the son of King George III (of Hanoverian descent, and whose Grandfather - George II - was the last English King born outside the UK) and her mother was also German of the Saxe-Coburg Saalfeld House.

Still with it? Good cos I'm thoroughly confused

[Toby42]

I remember reading a book on the "Conquest". I think that it stated that 40% of the Anglo Saxons were killed? That's quite a bit. But I think that William was pretty ruthless in his conquests. And wasn't a lot of land given to his cronies that came over with him?

I'm fascinated with English / British History and I don't have any English or French blood in me!!!

[ckammp]

ORIGINAL: Empire101

Correct.

Thats why I posted Richard was the very last 'true' English King.

As to them speaking french; french was the the language of the court as custom dictated, but he spoke english when 'off duty'[:D]

The Tudor dynasty that followed the York dynasty was the most "English" dynasty to rule England from 1066 to the present day. Thus claim to be the last 'true' English King should actually go to Elizabeth I.

As to the German ancestry; it is of course true the present House of Windsor has a strong strain of German, but that is rapidly diminishing.
Elizabeth II's father, George VI, was the first English King to marry an English woman since Henry VIII (not counting the unique situation of William & Mary), and both Prince Charles and Prince William married English woman.

[warspite1]

As to the German ancestry; it is of course true the present House of Windsor has a strong strain of German, but that is rapidly diminishing.

Its a point similar to that I made when we had the Queen's Jubilee thread in the summer. Some people like to sneer that the Royal Family is "German" - like its a bad thing.

Compare how far back the German influence goes (as per ckammp's comment above) and then look at that against how we treat immigrants in this country. In response to neanderthals telling immigrants to go back home - the answer is often, I am home I was born here. Well so was QEII, and her dad and her mum and her Grandad etc

[Toby42]

I think that a fitting testament to the English is that the last words in the book that I read were: After a period of time, the conquerors became English. The English didn't become Norman!

[Alfred]

Henry Tudor was Welsh.

Alfred

[Zorch]

Henry Tudor's father's father was Welsh. His father's mother was French (the widow of Henry V).
His mother was descended from Edward III.

The saying that the Tudors were 'the most English dynasty since...' is based on the other Tudors, IMHO.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Henry Tudor's father's father was Welsh. His father's mother was French (the widow of Henry V).
His mother was descended from Edward III.

The saying that the Tudors were 'the most English dynasty since...' is based on the other Tudors, IMHO.

warspite1

...that and the fact he was born in Wales [;)]

[Zorch]

Didn't Queen Elizabeth II change the name of the current royal family to Windsor-Mountbatten, in honor of her husband?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Didn't Queen Elizabeth II change the name of the current royal family to Windsor-Mountbatten, in honor of her husband?

warspite1

Not sure of the legal schmegals - but its something to do with the Battenburgs (more Germans!!) who became Mountbatten in WWI(?) - and Prince Philip is a decendent of the Battenburg line.

Our First Sea Lord in 1914, Prince Louis of Battenburg, was hounded out of office for being too German in the eyes of some morons. Not sure when the change of name took place.

[Zorch]

George V changed it to Windsor (from Saxe-Coburg) during WWI.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

George V changed it to Windsor (from Saxe-Coburg) during WWI.

warspite1

Zorch the question must reference the addition of Mountbatten, not the change to Windsor, as that was not a change made by the Queen.

Edit: Hold on, I 've just realised you asked the question....[&:][X(] What the .....???