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I prefer the term "hefalump".

Alfred

I'm an Ugly American. I vote POS (Uh, "Piece of . . . Stuff")

What committee of Dutch drunkards approved that design?

Note: Mike had a low-key day, so I just got turn #2. Friday night is good. Seeya.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

I prefer the term "hefalump".

Alfred

I'm an Ugly American. I vote POS (Uh, "Piece of . . . Stuff")

What committee of Dutch drunkards approved that design?

Note: Mike had a low-key day, so I just got turn #2. Friday night is good. Seeya.
They seem to have used the US Bolo bomber as a starting point, and added picture windows.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

I prefer the term "hefalump".

Alfred

I'm an Ugly American. I vote POS (Uh, "Piece of . . . Stuff")

What committee of Dutch drunkards approved that design?

Note: Mike had a low-key day, so I just got turn #2. Friday night is good. Seeya.
They seem to have used the US Bolo bomber as a starting point, and added picture windows.

[:)]

The difference might be we didn't risk a worldwide trading empire on the Bolo. [:o]
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[center]******Breaking NEWS!!!!******[/center]

[center]Singapore Assaulted Again!![/center]

[center]Read All About It!!![/center]

[center]Tomorrow[/center]
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Is it a superb defensive victory, with the Austrailians supreme?

Or have commonwealth units collapsed, and the worst surrender in British history?
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Sad news in conjunction with this AAR:


"'Underdog' cartoon co-creator dies at 85
by Associated Press

William Watts Biggers, the co-creator of the cartoon “Underdog,” the
mild-mannered canine shoeshine boy who turned into a caped superhero
to rescue his girlfriend, Sweet Polly Purebred, has died. He was 85.
Family friend Derek Tague says Biggers, who went by “Buck,” died
unexpectedly at his Plymouth, Mass., home on Sunday.

The native of Avondale Estates, Ga., worked for the New York City
advertising firm DFS when he accepted an assignment from the agency’s
largest client, General Mills, to create television cartoons to
promote its breakfast cereals. The most famous was “Underdog,” which
debuted on NBC in 1964.

The canine superhero, voiced by comic actor Wally Cox, also battled
villains including mad scientist Simon Bar Sinister, and a gangster
wolf Riff Raff.

Upon hearing the cries of Sweet Polly Purebred, Underdog would rush
into a telephone booth and transform into the hero.

He spoke in simple rhymes, his most famous probably “There’s no need
to fear, Underdog is here.”

Biggers also helped create “King Leonardo and His Short Subjects” and
“Tennessee Tuxedo and His Tales.” "

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2013/02/15/un ... ies-at-85/
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[center]******Breaking NEWS!!!!******[/center]

[center]Singapore Assaulted Again!![/center]

[center]Read All About It!!![/center]

[center]Tomorrow[/center]

Hmm ...

You haven't quite mastered it. That fine print is far too big and prominantly displayed. You won't pass the bar exams unless you master the noble and ancient art of hiding fine print.

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You need to make the fine print blend in
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

[center]******Breaking NEWS!!!!******[/center]

[center]Singapore Assaulted Again!![/center]

[center]Read All About It!!![/center]

[right]Tomorrow[/right]

Hmm ...

You haven't quite mastered it. That fine print is far too big and prominantly displayed. You won't pass the bar exams unless you master the noble and ancient art of hiding fine print.

Alfred

Better? [:)]
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March 9, 1942

Another Round, Barkeep!

Singapore, that fair city. Bane of Japan's existence, hero of the Allies' war efforts to date. Many of the moves and counter-moves in this game have centered here. I thought it might be nice for the historical purists to diary an account of the Aussie experience in the RL battle for the Jewel of the Empire:

"Fall of Singapore

By 31 January 1942, all British Empire forces had withdrawn from the Malay peninsula onto Singapore Island. On 8 February, the Japanese landed in the north-west of the island and within six days they were on the outskirts of Singapore city, which was also now under constant air attack.

Many of the troops had been shocked at the apparent lack of defences on the island. The men were battle-weary and the Australians had lost nearly 700 men fighting in Malaya since 14 January, with hundreds of others sick or wounded. Only one trained reinforcement unit, the 2/4th Machine Gun Battalion, arrived from Australia. Other last-minute reinforcements sent were untrained and ill-equipped for battle.


The Japanese had prepared for the invasion of Singapore with a heavy bombardment. They began their amphibious landings on the north-west of the island, where the Strait of Johore is narrowest. This area was held by the Australian 22nd Infantry Brigade but late on the night of 8 February the Japanese made their way through undefended sections. Twenty-four hours later a second Japanese landing force struck between the Causeway and the mouth of the Kranji River, an area held by the Australian 27th Infantry Brigade. By the morning of 10 February there were Japanese troops on most of north-west Singapore.

The Australian, British and Indian troops tried to hold the Japanese at various defensive lines but after two days many of their dreadfully depleted battalions had to be reorganised into composite units. A counter-attack on 10-11 February failed and on 12 February General H Gordon Bennett, the Australian commander, began moving his near-exhausted 8th Division AIF units into a perimeter just a few kilometres out of the city. By the next day the Japanese were within five kilometres of the Singapore waterfront. The entire city was now within range of Japanese artillery.


Official evacuations from Singapore had begun in late January and continued until almost the last moment. RAAF squadrons had been evacuated before the Japanese invaded the island and the remaining RAN warships were ordered to leave. Some merchant ships also got away carrying evacuees from the path of the Japanese. The warships' main operational tasks were escort duties, and the fleet based in Singapore included the destroyer HMAS Vampire and the sloop HMAS Yarra, which arrived late in January, along with several corvettes. The corvettes in the 21st Minesweeping Flotilla swept the sea lanes and conducted anti-submarine patrols. HMA Ships Toowoomba, Wollongong and Ballarat reinforced the original four corvettes, HMA Ships Bendigo, Burnie, Goulburn and Maryborough. The last 65 Australian Army nurses stationed in Singapore were ordered to board the Vyner Brooke, which sailed on 12 February. Their colleagues, who had sailed in the Empire Star the previous day, reached Australia, but only 24 of the nurses who sailed in the Vyner Brooke survived to return to Australia in 1945 after the war had ended.


By 14 February the Japanese had captured Singapore's reservoirs and pumping stations. The bombing, fighting and heavy shelling continued; many of the troops, separated from their units, wandered around aimlessly and the hospitals were crowded and overflowing. Some troops were deserting and others had become separated from their units. Hard fighting continued but on 15 February Lieutenant General Arthur Percival, the British commander in Singapore, called for a ceasefire and made the difficult decision to surrender. He signed the surrender document that evening at the Ford Factory on Bukit Timah Road. After days of desperate fighting, all British Empire troops were to lay down their arms at 8.30 that night. More than 100,000 troops became prisoners of war together with hundreds of European civilians who were interned.

Despite his instruction to Australian troops to stay at their posts, General Bennett and two of his staff officers escaped, controversially, from Singapore on the night of the surrender and eventually reached Australia."


The above is from an excellent Web site maintianed by the Australian government. See the link for photos and a more complete story of the efforts of Australian forces in WWII.

http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/japadvan ... apore.html

So. What happened in game world?

1) Another epic struggle at Singers, keying on two stiff Aussie infantry units as well as superior leadership bought over months with precious PPs. I am even more convinced that this arena has been, outside of Japan's own moves of course, driven by the twin factors of the Allies' being permitted to build to Forts 4 initially, and replacement of key COs with high Admin-rated leaders who have expertly drawn in replacements during the lulls in the fighting and restored disabled squads. The 150 spent to sack Perceval was money well spent.

The day began as they all have with saturation bombing. Fifty-seven bombers damaged, six destroyed. Targetting largely shifted to Ground, with the Singapore Fortress the most commonly chosen target, and the Indian divisions and one Aussie infantry unit being the other most common. Light bombers again went after the port and resident ships with no hits. One xAP was in unloading supplies. The other, with 58 system damage and moderate engine and float damage, was flushed to take its chances on the path to Palembang. The MLs again did their jobs, attracting bombs and shooting back at the low-flying attackers.

The ground assault replay was viewed in its entirety. The prelim bombardment phase was very long, demonstrating that Japan is well-equipped in that area with nearly 1000 guns. The infantry/armor phase went fairly quickly, with the Imperial Guards taking less damage than in the first attacks, but the independent regiments being severely diminished. On the defenders' side, almost all infantlry LCUs were zeroes except the Aussies, who were the rocks of the defense.

Forts were knocked down to 2. The city held once again, for the third time.

The report:

Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 71433 troops, 831 guns, 384 vehicles, Assault Value = 2550

Defending force 44486 troops, 578 guns, 382 vehicles, Assault Value = 1234

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 2724

Allied adjusted defense: 2449

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
7330 casualties reported
Squads: 183 destroyed, 295 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 50 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 107 disabled
Guns lost 94 (13 destroyed, 81 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (2 destroyed, 29 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2245 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 113 disabled
Non Combat: 44 destroyed, 142 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 47 disabled
Guns lost 41 (11 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (9 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Assaulting units:
56th Infantry Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
21st Division
16th Infantry Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
5th Division
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
56th Recon Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
113th Infantry Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
55th Infantry Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Karafuto Mixed Brigade
1st RF Gun Battalion
20th AA Regiment
56th Field Artillery Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
25th Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
18th Mountain Gun Regiment
34th Field AA Battalion

Defending units:
5/14th Punjab Battalion
1st Mysore Battalion
2/17 Dogra Battalion
11th Indian Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
SSVF Brigade
1st Hyderabad Battalion
3rd SSVF Battalion
22nd Australian Brigade
27th Australian Brigade
2nd Malay Battalion
2nd Loyal Battalion
1st Manchester Battalion
9th Indian Division
2nd ISF Base Force
3rd ISF Base Force
Singapore Fortress
1st ISF Base Force
Singapore Base Force
III Indian Corps
Malayan Air Wing
109th RAF Base Force
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
FMSV Brigade
111th RAF Base Force
3rd Heavy AA Regiment
Malaya Army
1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
110th RAF Base Force
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
112th RAF Base Force
109th RN Base Force
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As I write this I do not have the next turn in hand. I do not know how badly the defenders were hurt on a unit basis.

Did Japan err? On the positive side the air prep was long and heavy. It did keep Forts from rebuilding to 4, although under 20% progress was made in the pauses where air efforts shifted to Palembang. Some effort was made to keep supplies out of the city using subs and light bombers. A major HQ was present in the hex, and I believe a command-level HQ is in residence at JB. Large amounts of arty were used.

Also, it should be noted that in the midst of this siege the beta patch re-allowed LI supplies to be produced in the base. This amounts to about 180/day I believe.

On the negative side, Japan may have cost itself a win here in several ways. First, a Shock attack might have succeeded. The Allies were holding on by fingernails in the last stages of the infantry fighting. Second, the engineers sitting at Clark AFB probably would have been enough to take forts down to 1, or even all the way. In that case the city would likely have fallen with this same amount of force. Third, one more prepped infantry division would almost certianly have taken odds to 2:1 and probably resulted in a victory. Fourth, if bombing had focused on Ground and not on the AF and supply denial, it's possible some of the defenders would have been combat-ineffective. In summary, Singers needed more. Pretty much more of everything thrown at it. But not much more. It was close.

What now? There are about 8 LCUs at JB, and I do not know what they are. If any are fresh infantry, or tanks, a quick follow-on attack will probably work. Depending on the exact distribution of Japanese losses it's possible a quick shock attack in the next two days would work as well, especialy if bombing shifted to 100% ground targetting and kept disruption high. I plan to open the taps on supply burn, give nearly everyone a chance to rebuild and heal what they can, bring in Support squads if needed (those I do have in the pools), and leave fort-building on. Levels between 2 and 3 build faster than 3 to 4, and if bombing goes to Ground there might be a lull where Forts 3 could be reachieved. Doubtful that much time, but possible.

Will Japan pause now and bring in troops from the PI or elsewhere? Don't know. I wouldn't, but Japan in this game has been cautious with LCU strengths.

I've been considering all morning if I should throw in the towel on Singers and try to get the Aussie units out to Palembang, which at this point has more long-term strategic value. And I think I won't. I only have one decent-sized xAP in the sub-theater, although there are a few at Cocos. But without the Aussies Singers is an empty bag. Also, evac ships would surely be attacked by air and sub, and there are no assets to defend them. It would be a gauntlet run which might end up with Singers losing them and Palembang not gaining. So I think I will see what Singers can do to bandage itself and put forth at least one more credible defensive effort before the walls crash in.

Elsewhere . . .

2) The heavily-damaged APDs retreating from Palembang to Batavia are set upon by an I-boat. It misses, and the high-ASW ratings of the crippled destroyers do three hits, at least one of which is penetrating. I think, however, this TF might have retreated from the threat back toward Palembang and not forward to safety.

A different I-boat is attacked on the surface by S-39 near Billiton. The Americans miss, but intel is recorded that at least two big, ungainly subs are operating in shallow water near Singers.

3) Allied efforts to expand the air threat to Japan in the Burma theater continue. Strikes at Toungoo by the Chinese with AVG escort, and by new B-26s at Port Blair on Victoria Point (nightime) push the idea that CAP needs to be dispersed. Minor damage to both sides in these strikes.

4) Multiple ASW actions in the Sea of Japan tie down the attacking subs. This is going to be a fact of life for at least the next several months. The USN will probably evolve patrol areas as radar comes in and as Midway becomes the standard fuel budget.

5) A little bit of comedy as 66 IJA fighters sweep Palembang in two waves. One (1) P-38 is on high-CAP at 25,000 feet and meets the sweeps. No damage to either side.

6) On land, the bombing at Bataan continues, but still no movement dots at Clark. In Burma, the cavalry unit advancing on Akyab must have seen the forces gatheirng to meet it; it now has a SE movement dot. Japan bombards Urumchi for the second day without result. The defenders are pure infanty; no guns. The base is at 85% of Forts 2, building about 5% a day. China will allow this situation to continue as long as Japan likes.

7) Finally, UNDERDOG. TF destinations tweaked, and the carriers, which had fallen behind seven hexes due to my speed fiddling errors, are made independent to catch up and take station. A second replenishment group is being organized at SF to come to help eventualy, most likely on the withdrawl. The sub curtain to Christmas I's NW is still gathering into position. The RAAF patrol planes fly from Canton and see nothing.

Johnson I., which had only two subs showing for about a week after NEUMAN, for the first time shows surface ships. Three TFs, whcih read as single-ship each. (Unlikely.) The AF still reads as 40ish fighters alone, with no search or bombers. Are the TFs the KB or part of it, gone in to grab stranded fuel and wait to see what the sub sighting off San Diego was? Are they evac lift for the garrison on Johnson? ASW back to defend so supplies for the AF can come in? Just don't know. UNDERDOG is undetected as far as I know. It plows on at Cruise speed, hoping the Cats see something if something is there.
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Excellent position and an Allied fanboy's dream. But this is not going to happen vs a competent Japanese player in 1943 and I doubt 44 in an scenario #2 situation.

BTW) a look at Cap Mandrakes thread, who does not even read the manual [;)], and they are well entrenched in the S. Phillpines about ready to start a central Philllipine campaign ... March-43 ..[X(] [&o]

My point? A well focused Allied thrust where the IJ are not is extermly effective .. even in Scenario #2 ...Competency aside [:'(] The IJ have a lot to cover and even in scenario #2 they cannot cover everything .. if the Allies guess [or use WitP AE tracker] to find the hole .. Allied AV is more than possible ...
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March 10, 1942

Altitude Dancing

Catch-your-breath day.

1) At Singers the butcher's bill is not as bad as I feared. Several of the weaker, Malaysian infantry units are all but vaporized, as is the Punjab Battalion. But the Aussie units only lost about 4-5 AV points, and fatigue only tops out at about 7 for anybody. The Indian divisions are also in relatively good shape. AA has quite a bit more fatigue, in the mid- to high-teens, but it keeps shooting back. Forts go to 28% of 3 as the bombing lifts a scratch and orients more on Ground and Port than the AF, and the faster build of Level 2-3 also kicks in.

In a glass half-full moment, I was glad I did not load the Auusies up for evacuation. The medium-large xAP leaving Singers empty of supplies, which they would have been aboard, is torpedoed and sunk south of the base. The constant Mary attention to the port means that any supply mission into Singers is probably one-way.

2) The APDs did reach Batavia and did not retrograde to Palembang. One is under repair, the other still has Fires 3. I hope the port can help with that. Both will need a yard once patched, probably Perth.

3) At Palembang altitude matters today. One P-38 is flying, and a couple of Hurricanes. Despite the altitude bands for the latter I stick them both at 27,000 feet, as Zero sweeps have trended strongly to 25,000. They are served a strong escorted bombing raid and have some fun:

Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
G3M2 Nell x 17
G4M1 Betty x 16

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
P-38E Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged


No Allied losses

Later, these same planes meet a sweep:

Afternoon Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 30

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 2
P-38E Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ia Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-43-Ia Oscar sweeping at 25000 feet

And then another bombing run:

Afternoon Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 11
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 1
P-38E Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 6 damaged

No Allied losses

A good day to have one P-38 [8D]

4) In the Sea of Japan USS Grayback torpedoes xAK Yamaura Maru with one fish in the night phase. It survives and limps on. In the afternoon phase she attacks again, adding surface gunfire for I believe the first time. Aggresive COs? Yes, sir.

Sub attack near Sapporo at 119,49

Japanese Ships
xAK Yamaura Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage (sinks)

Allied Ships
SS Grayback

5) A sub-laid minefield at Wotje is seen and cleared in one turn by the IJN. Mines are rare beasts now; the Allies need to change to more surprising targets. A small field is also laid at Ambon by the Dutch.

6) USS Hornet arrives in the Canal Zone with a new heavy cruiser to play with. Not sure where she's going yet.
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Opened the next turn. A Tracker screen to show what motivtaed engineers can do in one day. See Forts at Singers.



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March 11, 1942

Ant Hill

1) Wonder of wonders, the hustle is amazing. Singers goes to Forts 3! This changes things a lot. There was 9% progress toward level 3 when the attack came, and that translated after, but I've never see almost 80% Forts 3 built in two days.

2) Night phase ASW sinks SS KXVIII in shallow water at the mouth of the Balikpapan channel. A second Dutch sub is hit four times by this same ASW TF. A surface reaction force led by USS Marblehead was already headed there at Full on this turn. Hoping there will be pay-back. KXVIII was forced to the surface and managed to get off two torpedo salvoes before going down for the last time.

Japanese Ships
DD Nokaze
TB Chidori

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII, hits 13, heavy damage

3) The Lone Lightning at Palembang bags another Oscar and disrupts a Betty raid and a Sally raid in a busy day. Palembang is getting in a little fort building as well. Bombing at Singers is mostly on troops. Minor casualties. The IJA bombers must be tired by now.

4) A bit of fighting in China as north-bound refugees at Kungchang fight a tank regiment and recon unit retreated from Lanchow. Chinese get 2:1 odds, but take slightly more losses. Still, it shows how weak the tanks are still.

In Burma the 11-stack retreated from Tuang Gyi catches a lone Chinese corps two miles from leaving the hex to sit on the river to the NE, and clocks them. Watching the replay, however, it looks like a lot of the fighting is done by the tanks, and the infantry units are low on AV. Mike has commented that malaria is eating him up in Burma, and this stack has been in the bush for weeks. The Chinese will retreat to a base with supply and reconstitutute.

Ground combat at 57,49 (near Toungoo)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32435 troops, 348 guns, 224 vehicles, Assault Value = 1358

Defending force 9523 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 387

Japanese adjusted assault: 851

Allied adjusted defense: 91

Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
196 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3971 casualties reported
Squads: 125 destroyed, 142 disabled
Non Combat: 104 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 14 (3 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
7th RTA Division
6th Tank Regiment
2nd RTA Division
14th Tank Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
14th Guards Regiment
5th Amphibious Brigade
15th Guards Regiment
4th RTA Division
22nd Recon Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
17th Indpt Guards Regiment
15th Army
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
53rd Chinese Corps

5) UNDERDOG. Infuriating FOW. Get this search hit: "SBD-3 Dauntless sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 192,136 near Christmas Island, speed 20, Moving Southwest."

That hex is one hex west of the landing force's location; the carriers with the SBD-3s are five hexes back to the NE. The landing force is making 12-14 knots , not 20. No icons show in red. So, is this a sub on the surface? Is it an IJN intercept about to jump on the landing ships? Or is it my pilots seeing our own ships? The course is right, the speed is wrong, the location off by one hex.

I can't risk it's really the Japanese. I will re-route the landing, speed up the carriers, extend aircraft ranges, and get ready for a fight. If it's the KB it'll be a short one.
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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks

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I'd lay odds that the 6-ship sighting is really one sub. He hasn't detected your Underdog TFs before now, has he? Why would he waste a six-ship SCTF patrolling a remote area that he has no idea is on your grab list? Usually you keep patrols close to your garrisoned islands, like Palmyra, rather than sending them wandering.
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I'd lay odds that the 6-ship sighting is really one sub. He hasn't detected your Underdog TFs before now, has he? Why would he waste a six-ship SCTF patrolling a remote area that he has no idea is on your grab list? Usually you keep patrols close to your garrisoned islands, like Palmyra, rather than sending them wandering.

I'm more than 50 percent sure the sighting was own ships. The last hint I had of a sighting was far north, after the dogleg, by an SBD. Almost a week ago. I have no hints from my own subs converging on the area that anything is at sea down there. I have no intel on Palmyra at all except radio chatter the last turn. I don't know what if any planes he has there. I have to assume Mavises.

This is a screen shot from the beginning of the current turn. My cariers are 20 hexes from Christmas. The search arcs from Canton show on the left. There's a gap, but it's not big. My druthers are to proceed with the landings. If he has snuck a combat group in there, either surface or carrier, he deserves a shot.



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March 12, 1942

Payback Is a Beast

Interesting turn with more experiments, some e-mails back and forth, and an expedition that worked out OK. Mostly.

1) Makassar Strait. Lost a Dutch sub yesterday and had another one pounded upon. Japan has at least three ASW groups in the strait every day now. From what I've seen they are typically 2-ships, either both DDs or a DD and smaller, and one is always in the shallow water at the channel mouth to Balikipapan. This is all sub intel; I don't have air search up that far. What few RAF and Dutch patrol planes I have left are at Palembang and Batavia helping keep Singers open.

This turn alone I collect:

ASW attack near Bandjermasin at 62,101

Japanese Ships
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS Saury

AND

ASW attack near Balikpapan at 64,98

Japanese Ships
DD Amatsukaze
DD Hagikaze

Allied Ships
SS S-36

AND

ASW attack near Donggala at 68,97

Japanese Ships
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Hatsuyuki

Allied Ships
SS KXVI

This suggests the Oil bite is starting to hurt, and he really wants to sanitize the strait and get tankers rolling from Balikpapan. As long as I have Soerbaja I'm going to try to stop that.

The CL Marblehead TF sent out yesterday into the Strait at Full speed RTBed with no attacks, so I send it out again at Mission speed and React=4, targetted on the spot the sub was lost. It gets an intercept this time:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 63,99, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Nokaze, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
TB Chidori, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage (sunk later per sound effect)

Allied Ships
CL Marblehead
DD Paul Jones
DD Van Ghent, Shell hits 1
DD Electra, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Encounter, Shell hits 1

The Allies get away, but are attacked by a strong, escorted Betty strike on the way home. Marblehead takes one torpedo but keeps on going. Her planes divert to southern Borneo.

2) I play more altitude games at Palembang and Djambi "just to see." The Hurricanes' maneuver bands want them lower, but I put them up at 27,000 with the one P-38 I have, and they do OK.

Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
G3M2 Nell x 14
G4M1 Betty x 14

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 5
P-38E Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 12
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
P-38E Lightning x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

After the bombing a 36-Zero sweep comes in at 30,000. The Lightning stays on the ground and one Hurricane is lost. Still, an interesting experiment.

At Djambi I send the B-17s at 32,000 ft. The Zeros come up from 11,000 ft., (where they've been bouncing my 9000 ft. attacks for weeks) and handle like pigs. Three get "oil leaks" and RTB. No Forts are lost, but no hits either. I may space some of these in at places like Singkawang where the CAP is thick and go for some ops losses. B-17s like to live at 32,000. Makes them think they're on "vacation" over France. [:)]

3) In China the troop bombing continues as it has, unmentioned, every day. For the first time Japan hits Chungking in an ineffective raid. Every piece of AA China owns is at Chungking (and all the arty.) It is about 25% to Forts 8, supply is drifting down at about 31,000 now. I think the Forts are more important. There is 3940 AV in the hex, plus many HQs, arty, and base forces.

4) Singers bombing targets are varied between Ground, Port, and AF. With the movie I got an e-mail from Mike which was not jocular as his usually are. He wanted to know if I was using two MLs at Singers to sponge bombs away from the xAKs and XAPs he sees coming in with supplies. I thought about it. No HRs, play the code: check. But moreover I am doing that, but not only that. I fired up Tracker. The MLs in question have AA ratings of 36. And they're harbor defense vessels defending a harbor. They were made at Singers; I didn't send them there. Moreover, Japan has so far sunk 9 HDMLs and 2 MLs. They're low-mix assets which are designed to be used up.

He replied that he was satisfied with my answer; he had thought I was using them simply as sponges. I had said they were useful shooting at his Marys strafing and skip-bombing at 100ft. He replied he was only doing that because they were there. Chicken, meet egg. I would also add that my combat reports show a high preponderance of Port attacks by Marys and Anns, not Naval missions. The MLs are in Surface TFs, not disbanded. If Japan wants them dead sustained Naval targeting will do it. (I didn't helpfully point this out, however.)

I re-replied again that I was using them to divert targetting, but not only as sponges. I offered to discuss how Singers went down, for our mutual learning, once the war moves past. And I tried to give him a BIG hint by saying I thought Singers has been a classic rock-paper-scissors tactical problem for two months. IOW, to break the pattern you have to risk. Pick one of the three and employ forces which counter its strength. Subs, surface TFs, MKB--whatever, but the key to Singers is supply and forts, and LBA has not and will not stop them at this point. He has to either stop them in other ways, or bring such a land hammer that neither is enough to ensure the base's survival. The stack sitting on Luzon would be useful. To that end, this turn I got intel that parts of 38th Division were loaded at Lingayan. (Also that 4th Division is still prepping for Pearl and is at Kota Bharu, so go figure.)

In opsec terms the e-mails show that he's frustrated at Singers. I'm sympathetic, but my job is to hold as long as I can. Time is an incredibly valuable resource in the game, and you can't make more.

5) UNDERDOG was re-jiggered, CV air was reset with new ranges and arcs, the landing force was ordered to go in. No probing APD. The risk of him having Mavises at Palmyra is too great to delay. Johnson Island is bare again for the second or third day. (Got sighting report of eight ships heading west from Johnson at high speed; take it for what you will.)

If I have two sunk carriers in three days I'll look like an idiot. But the landing is a go. Disruption on the ships is reaching extreme levels, especially the APDs (over 55% in one case.) They were only included because I had no other ASW escorts available; I didn't want them to carry. Such is the code. Fingers crossed. I wish Sweet Polly was along. [8|]
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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks

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If I have two sunk carriers in three days I'll look like an idiot. But the landing is a go. Disruption on the ships is reaching extreme levels, especially the APDs (over 55% in one case.) They were only included because I had no other ASW escorts available; I didn't want them to carry. Such is the code. Fingers crossed. I wish Sweet Polly was along. [8|]


Well, you could have them merge after load! ;)
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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks

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If I have two sunk carriers in three days I'll look like an idiot. But the landing is a go. Disruption on the ships is reaching extreme levels, especially the APDs (over 55% in one case.) They were only included because I had no other ASW escorts available; I didn't want them to carry. Such is the code. Fingers crossed. I wish Sweet Polly was along. [8|]


Well, you could have them merge after load! ;)

Excellent pointer. Thanks. I will try to remember that. Who says AARs don't help? [;)]

Fortunate that the APDs are carrying part of the base force, but it's still extreme disruption.
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RE: Nothing Up My Sleeve: Magical Moose Tricks--Bullwinkle58 vs.1EyedJacks

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Last night, after the e-mail flurry, as I was trying to go to sleep I began to ruminate on an operation. Low odds it will come to pass, but I want to reserve the name right now:

Operation CLUTCH CARGO.

Many, many dominoes need to fall right, but it could be fun.
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