Game is unplayable

[gwgardner]

I give up on you. This is my last post in response to one of your continuing mistaken impressions of the game. I even started an AAR to show you that you can have a lot of fun with the game. Waste of time as far as you're concerned.

Supply is not broken by any means, except in 1.04 for air units, and you have been given a hotfix for that. Overall, supply is handled more elegantly in this game than any other I've played.

The game is great fun. You're determined to find fault with it. So be it.

[MarkWayneClark]

What?
 
There IS a problem and the fix IS a cheat.  It's a necessary cheat under the circumstances but it's still a cheat.
 
I like the game a lot, which is why I am still playing, but it's way frustrating.  I hope it all gets worked out in the end.  Mostly, I hope I can launch D-Day with an all division American army and not get slaughtered!

[Rasputitsa]

ORIGINAL: Mark Clark
What?

There IS a problem and the fix IS a cheat.  It's a necessary cheat under the circumstances but it's still a cheat.

I like the game a lot, which is why I am still playing, but it's way frustrating.  I hope it all gets worked out in the end.  Mostly, I hope I can launch D-Day with an all division American army and not get slaughtered!

I think the problem is that it's not so much that the game is unplayable, but that the GD scenario is unbalanced as it is now configured.

I depends on your view of the game, for me I see it as a tool box, the devs have made it open and accessible to the players, if you don't like their design decisions, you can often change them. The breadth of the game is huge, the Atlantic to beyond the Urals, Norway to North Africa, 1939 all the way to the end of the war and it's not surprising that some design decisions don't fit easily across all of that. This game does't run on rails, where you can predict what's going to happen next, it can get into areas other games don't reach. It's not a cheat if you are using the game's features to correct faults and adjust the game, if the devs have made a mistake it's not a cheat to fix it and keep the situations running. Maybe the devs have been overambitious in trying to do too much, but they have provided the tools to help the players to keep their games on track.

So if you want a game that works perfectly, straight out of the box, then this is probably not it, what it actually is, can be very enjoyable and when the 'I don't like that' moment occurs you can often do something about it. Just a glance at the other forum game titles shows that most games become a work in progress, rather than the 'take it, or leave it' of earlier years.

The editor has been a big limitation, as it can be complicated to use. I would like to use the GD scenario for the later war period, but it needs some work. There should be a longer preparation for a major European landing, so start date New Year 1944, more fortified lines set up in Italy for the Axis to fall back on and many other smaller details, but it will just take some work with the editor and the game files.

D-Day was Corps sized landings over several beaches, anything less is just a raid, GD has to be set up to make this a possibility, but with house rules that make it into more of a challenge against the AI. [:)]

[MarkWayneClark]

ORIGINAL: gwgardner

I give up on you. This is my last post in response to one of your continuing mistaken impressions of the game. I even started an AAR to show you that you can have a lot of fun with the game. Waste of time as far as you're concerned.

Supply is not broken by any means, except in 1.04 for air units, and you have been given a hotfix for that. Overall, supply is handled more elegantly in this game than any other I've played.

The game is great fun. You're determined to find fault with it. So be it.

hey, any comment on this "little" problem?

tm.asp?m=3272570&mpage=1&key=?

Now I can't use the save function, and since I don't have a spare 60 consecutive hours to play through without stopping, I guess I can't play at all.

[MarkWayneClark]

I'm pissed now and for the first time I feel cheated.  The game truly is unplayable.  This is a disgrace.  I'd ask for my money back but I know there's now way to get it and it's not worth my time to try.  But the developers should be embarassed.

[rmonical]

Look at:

in documents/my games/time of fury there is a file consoleout.txt. You can open it and check at the end of the file for an error. or you can send the file to Doomtrader along with a zip of the saved game folder.

[Omnius]

ORIGINAL: Mark Clark

I'm pissed now and for the first time I feel cheated.  The game truly is unplayable.  This is a disgrace.  I'd ask for my money back but I know there's now way to get it and it's not worth my time to try.  But the developers should be embarassed.

Mark Clark,
It is a shame that the 1.04 version isn't worth messing with, but I just shelved the game until I see a version that comes out without some huge glaring problem that requires editing in a cheat to overcome the bad programming problem. It's ironic that Strategic War in Europe has only been out half as long as ToF yet it is far more playable. I was lucky to be distracted by my daughter and her family coming out for a visit, sad that I don't see any progress made in releasing a newer version that corrects the air supply bug. Hopefully doomtrader will release a cleaner 1.04 version soon. Until then I have plenty of things to keep me amused without being frustrated by a buggy game.
Omnius

[doomtrader]

Mark Clark,
It is a shame that the 1.04 version isn't worth messing with, but I just shelved the game until I see a version that comes out without some huge glaring problem that requires editing in a cheat to overcome the bad programming problem. It's ironic that Strategic War in Europe has only been out half as long as ToF yet it is far more playable. I was lucky to be distracted by my daughter and her family coming out for a visit, sad that I don't see any progress made in releasing a newer version that corrects the air supply bug. Hopefully doomtrader will release a cleaner 1.04 version soon. Until then I have plenty of things to keep me amused without being frustrated by a buggy game.
Omnius

It has been already delivered last week to Matrix

[Omnius]

ORIGINAL: doomtrader

Mark Clark,
It is a shame that the 1.04 version isn't worth messing with, but I just shelved the game until I see a version that comes out without some huge glaring problem that requires editing in a cheat to overcome the bad programming problem. It's ironic that Strategic War in Europe has only been out half as long as ToF yet it is far more playable. I was lucky to be distracted by my daughter and her family coming out for a visit, sad that I don't see any progress made in releasing a newer version that corrects the air supply bug. Hopefully doomtrader will release a cleaner 1.04 version soon. Until then I have plenty of things to keep me amused without being frustrated by a buggy game.
Omnius

It has been already delivered last week to Matrix

doomtrader,
Thanks for the quick reply. I take it Matrix will release this new updated 1.04 version with a fixed air supply sometime in the next week or so. How will we know when Matrix has it available for download? Thanks for working to get us a playable version that isn't so frustrating.
Omnius

[doomtrader]

I'm pretty sure that Matrix Guys will announce it at the forum.

[Omnius]

doomtrader,
I finally figured out how to use the Products link to find the My Games link that leads me to the Time of Fury product page that gives me the Downloads link that shows me the links to version 1.02 and 1.01. I figure I'll be able to see when Matrix has the 1.04 version posted for download even if I don't see an announcement.
Omnius

[baloo7777]

Patiently waiting for the official v1.04 download. Seems to be taking a long time. When will it be availabe?

[doomtrader]

baloo7777, you have to ask Matrix support.
I can do anything only till the files are uploaded at the server.