So is update 1.05 dead in the water or what?

[marcbarker]

I stayed away from this as much as possible, hat is off to Mike, great job you are doing. I believe this 1.05 patch has been going on for what now 6-7 years if not longer. Truth be told. WYSWIG...What you see is what you get. I am afraid the 1.04 is the last patch and we will make do. I agree with some of the frustration but again this is a game not a way of life. I since have moved on to other viable games that is fun, frustrating and down right a pain but the games are not from MATRIX. I like strategy games and such but the wait for me is over time to move on. Expand the horizons and venture to other games you may find that a few finite people will control this game, its out come and how it is played regardless of the consequences. I just wished they would have stepped up and put money behind rather then volunteers with emotional attachment to a GAME.

[wings7]

Good bye all you non-believers and hecklers, you should move on...I will wait patiently for the future offerings of The Campaign Series.
Rome was not built in a day (or a few years!) and good things come to people that wait patiently!

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: barker

I stayed away from this as much as possible, hat is off to Mike, great job you are doing. I believe this 1.05 patch has been going on for what now 6-7 years if not longer. Truth be told. WYSWIG...What you see is what you get. I am afraid the 1.04 is the last patch and we will make do. I agree with some of the frustration but again this is a game not a way of life. I since have moved on to other viable games that is fun, frustrating and down right a pain but the games are not from MATRIX. I like strategy games and such but the wait for me is over time to move on. Expand the horizons and venture to other games you may find that a few finite people will control this game, its out come and how it is played regardless of the consequences. I just wished they would have stepped up and put money behind rather then volunteers with emotional attachment to a GAME.

Hi Barker. Been a couple of years. Hope you are doing well. I agree with you 100%. This is it. Sure glad I still have 1.02B. It's still pretty enjoyable under that version. BTW...I recently bought Tiller's Winter War. It's pretty good.

Dep

[MrRoadrunner]

ORIGINAL: barker
I since have moved on to other viable games that is fun, frustrating and down right a pain but the games are not from MATRIX.

I guess I can remove our, over one year old, battle file from my West Front folder? [8|]

Thanks for letting me know (dripping sarcasm inserted)!

RR

[kool_kat]

Hi deputy: [:)]

Why don't you volunteer to be a part of the test team for the 1.05 patch?

I did.

You seem to have extensive knowledge of playing versus the AI and the associated problems?

I'm sure Jason and Team would value your input.

[marcbarker]

FYI I have been out of country for work. Also why argue or advertantly give homage to a person whom is well above everyone else in wit, intellect and overall character. Kudos to you!

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: mwest

Hi deputy: [:)]

Why don't you volunteer to be a part of the test team for the 1.05 patch?

I did.

You seem to have extensive knowledge of playing versus the AI and the associated problems?

I'm sure Jason and Team would value your input.

No thanks. I would prefer that PROFESSIONALS do the repairs on this type of thing. Unfortunately, Matrix, probably for money reasons, has chosen to let amateurs do the work. You get what you pay for, or don't pay for in this case. I will just do as Barker suggested and make do with 1.02B. It works okay and is stable. That's probably about the best you can ask for with this sim.

[marcbarker]

Mike, In my opinion 1.02B is more versatile anyway then 104 due to modability and how you can manipulate various oob's create platoon files etc. There is good reference on modding this and a lot of fun doing so. You can do as much as your imagination can do with that engine outside of manipulating the executable.

[Deputy]

Barker: Yep, although my modding is mainly changing the replacement rates, which can probably be done on the newer patches too. I just prefer the way hidden units are handled and the artillery (and mortars) not being as devestating on armor as it is in the newest patch. One of the things I wish I could change is the automatic spotting of where my artillery is going to hit each turn. He sees EXACTLY where my arty is going to land and moves his units out of the way, while I must move every spotted unit each turn to keep from being hit with arty.

[marcbarker]

One of the things I really liked about 1.02B was the ability to add units otherwise forgotten. Example I was toying with an idea to create a mod that is basically a Squad Leader type Game using Squads to Regiment Level. Each squad would have FP approx 25% of the Current Platoon Level type Unit and etc. This was an idea and I know there is logisitics problems with it but it gives a person something to do with a game that will not be updated. You can then do scenarios that are squad leader scenarios and maps as such. Would be a revamp of the system but the game engine would not change.

[Deputy]

WOW! That sounds pretty cool!

[marcbarker]

Like I said your imaginiation is your only limit to this game. Is there problems with it YES, is there good things Of Course Is it playable im its current form? YES...Is it worth the 39 US not really but it is what it is a game. Example D3, 59 US but playable on internet free! If they really wanted to sell this game they do what was already done with East Front, early PvP on the internet with servers. Easier to contain and control plus a wider base of players.

[Crossroads]

ORIGINAL: barker

Mike, In my opinion 1.02B is more versatile anyway then 104 due to modability and how you can manipulate various oob's create platoon files etc. There is good reference on modding this and a lot of fun doing so. You can do as much as your imagination can do with that engine outside of manipulating the executable.

ORIGINAL: barker

One of the things I really liked about 1.02B was the ability to add units otherwise forgotten. Example I was toying with an idea to create a mod that is basically a Squad Leader type Game using Squads to Regiment Level. Each squad would have FP approx 25% of the Current Platoon Level type Unit and etc. This was an idea and I know there is logisitics problems with it but it gives a person something to do with a game that will not be updated. You can then do scenarios that are squad leader scenarios and maps as such. Would be a revamp of the system but the game engine would not change.

Matrix (ie Jason) has been pretty good in providing support to modders in encrypting the platoon files sent to them. So while the encryption facility is strictly theirs to protect, it has been possible to create mods for the current JTCS 1.04 brand of games as well. My little mod (which Warhorse has played a significant role in creating new bitmaps and stuff - thanks again!) is a humble example of what is still possible.

About this thread, and on a separate note: I don't really understand what the doom and gloom is all about all of a sudden now, given Jason just posted here about them finally finding a suitable programmer to work with the engine.

And on a yet another note, it is not like this is the only old engine that has not full time staff working on it. Just look at the TOAW board for an example, lot of discussion about the latest patch to come out. And (I am guessing here) TOAW has sold way more than what TS / Matrix Campaign Series ever did...

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: Crossroads

ORIGINAL: barker

Mike, In my opinion 1.02B is more versatile anyway then 104 due to modability and how you can manipulate various oob's create platoon files etc. There is good reference on modding this and a lot of fun doing so. You can do as much as your imagination can do with that engine outside of manipulating the executable.

ORIGINAL: barker

One of the things I really liked about 1.02B was the ability to add units otherwise forgotten. Example I was toying with an idea to create a mod that is basically a Squad Leader type Game using Squads to Regiment Level. Each squad would have FP approx 25% of the Current Platoon Level type Unit and etc. This was an idea and I know there is logisitics problems with it but it gives a person something to do with a game that will not be updated. You can then do scenarios that are squad leader scenarios and maps as such. Would be a revamp of the system but the game engine would not change.

Matrix (ie Jason) has been pretty good in providing support to modders in encrypting the platoon files sent to them. So while the encryption facility is strictly theirs to protect, it has been possible to create mods for the current JTCS 1.04 brand of games as well. My little mod (which Warhorse has played a significant role in creating new bitmaps and stuff - thanks again!) is a humble example of what is still possible.

About this thread, and on a separate note: I don't really understand what the doom and gloom is all about all of a sudden now, given Jason just posted here about them finally finding a suitable programmer to work with the engine.

And on a yet another note, it is not like this is the only old engine that has not full time staff working on it. Just look at the TOAW board for an example, lot of discussion about the latest patch to come out. And (I am guessing here) TOAW has sold way more than what TS / Matrix Campaign Series ever did...

Well you must have an infinite pool of patience. Especially considering the last talk about a new patch for EF/WF was YEARS ago. I'd like to see that patch before I meet up with the grim reaper. I ain't gettin any younger. I hope they are at least PAYING this new programmer something besides Doritos and Corn Chips. And yes, I have been playing this and other wargames, although I have no idea what TOAW is. I've been playing a Tiller game called Winter War.

[marcbarker]

I just found other interests that I dive into. I will just play this as I see fit and encrypt as I see fit and be very compatmentalized. So amazing how defensive some people get on this game like they gave birth to it themselves

[Crossroads]

Just saying things aren't quite so black and white. They seldom are. And yes, I have quite the patience, especially since I started the little modding I do.

I play JTCS in intervals, the other game I was referring to was The Operational Art of War. Sorry, thought that was a well known acronym.

I play quite a lot of Total War series as well, especially the various Rome mods that are around.

I never got into the modern Playstation first person shooters, I am propably too old for them [:)] Hence the patience with these old engines, I suppose.

[Deputy]

ORIGINAL: Crossroads

Just saying things aren't quite so black and white. They seldom are. And yes, I have quite the patience, especially since I started the little modding I do.

I play JTCS in intervals, the other game I was referring to was The Operational Art of War. Sorry, thought that was a well known acronym.

I play quite a lot of Total War series as well, especially the various Rome mods that are around.

I never got into the modern Playstation first person shooters, I am propably too old for them [:)] Hence the patience with these old engines, I suppose.

Well in the YEARS that this "new and wonderful" patch have been promised, I haven't seen squat. Just lots of talk about another game based on this. That, and people who insist that THEIR way of playing is so much superior to any other way. Those folks have earned my ignore list so I don't see their silly posts any more. [;)]

[OttoVonBlotto]

Pretty sad really waiting so eagerly for something that even when it comes won't live up to your expectations and dreams of it, maybe your dreams are not the developers dreams or the dreams of the many who play it but really I think you may need to be more realistic if the game hasn't lived up to your expectations after all this time what hope do you hold out for a new wonder patch, it may be that what you are doing doesn't fully satisfy you game wise as you seem unfulfilled. I would stick to 1.02B as that seems to be the only one that makes you happy. For the record I couldn't give a monkeys how you play with yourself and certainly wouldn't want to stop you if it makes you happy.

I must say I quite like the new artillery hit percentage and hope it doesn't change but that's just me.

Is the game perfect no, will it ever be no, has there ever been a perfect game no, will there ever be or do we live a perfect world ? I will let you work that one out for yourself. if you can read this of course and I'm not still on your ignore list.

[marcbarker]

Otto, Nice one, no harm no foul

[blacksherman]

OK fellows, let us step back in time to the dark ages of the old Panzerblitz. Do you remember? There was no AI and if you engaged in a PBM game you had to write your units on a printed map sheet, mail it to your opponent, wait for his response, then start the process all over again. A 10 turn game might take three months to complete. No thank you, I like my computer and I like JTCS. I like it when I play an LCG against the AI. I like to do PBEM and be able to complete a game in a few days or weeks depending on its length. I like 1.04 and appreciate all the work Jason and the gang have done. This is a good game and if they come out with 1.05 fine. If not, I'm fine with that too. In my opinion, we've only just scratched the surface as far as coming out with new scenarios. The editor is so easy to understand and scenario design is like a game unto itself.