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March 22, 1942

Server ate my post and I ain't re-typing it.

Stuff happened.
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Admirably concise.  Would you like us to disregard your post?
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Good stuff or bad stuff ? (or both?)
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Good stuff or bad stuff ? (or both?)
Obviously you have not studied the great philosopher, George Carlin. All stuff is junk to someone else, and vice versa. [:D]
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Moose - please pardon the interupption:

catwhoorg - ever getting back to Origins or is the family life and running taking up too much time? We miss you and your humor!
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Admirably concise.  Would you like us to disregard your post?

I don't have that kind of space here. [:)]
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Good stuff or bad stuff ? (or both?)

I was pretty peeved before.

In summary, I saw a flght of 37 Oscars score 40 (yes, ladies and germs, 40) bomb hits on one xAKL at Singers. It sank, remarkably.
Supply at Singers 12,200. Forts at 3 + 42%.
A movement dot seen at Clark aimed at Bataan.
Hollandia landings begin.
Moved Force Z a bit toward Horn Island in case the cruisers are a precursor to Port Moresby.
Swept mines at Palmyra. DMSes seen by torpedo bomber. Might be KB, might be FOW.
Wounded AO made Pearl. Rest of UNDERDOG moving north.
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Good stuff or bad stuff ? (or both?)
Obviously you have not studied the great philosopher, George Carlin. All stuff is junk to someone else, and vice versa. [:D]

"A Place For My Stuff" is comedy gold. Especially liked the stuff implications of traveling from the US to Maui and having stuff spread across the planet.
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Nothing should ever be allowed to eat your post. Excepting your dog when you use the ol' Smith Corona typewriter. [:)]

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Moose - please pardon the interupption:

catwhoorg - ever getting back to Origins or is the family life and running taking up too much time? We miss you and your humor!

Not this year for certain. I'd like to get back into the swing of attending though. Miss you guys.
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March 23, 1942

Bombs Oil Around Us . . .

Puns, right? Ya hate 'em, I hate 'em . . . [:)]

1) Mike and I had a series of frank discussions over the past two days about the game and its current staus. I lowered the opsec curtain a bit to encourage him to get after some of the more mandatory Japanese targets. Whether right or wrong I don't want Japan to stall out by the summer. I also told him if it isn't apparent I'm always going to attack the economy. To that end I pair the Forts with some new B-25Cs and have a yabba-dabba-do time in the oil patch. Take a chance on AA and CAP and get lucky at 4000 feet in daylight:

Afternoon Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 7
B-17E Fortress x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Oil hits 19

2) Two DMses at Palmyra clear circa 65 mines. I think I can conclude that the CM-led TF seen about five days ago went there. Later, USS Gato attacks a TF of a DD and an xAK two hexes SW of Palmyra. Missed, but I'm not sure what this is. Re-supply, evac, coming to hit Christmas, only a part of the story, what? I will re-zone my Christmas patrol planes away from looking for the KB and see if I can get a better read.

3) Some light Ground attacks on Bataan as the movement dot remains. About half of the LCUs at B. have 100 or less organic supply. Forts are at 4. Will be interested to see what Japan does Shock-attack-wise.

4) Put a light CAP into Singers for a day or two to mix it up. In truth the low Oscar raids are getting me down, man. The xAKL sunk yesterday didn't get to deliver. I have about six more sacrific . . . umm, future hero transports coming into Palembang to load supplies. The CAP at Singers meets a few unescorted raids and knocks down a Betty or two, but this one shows why Singers is just a tough nut if the AA has ammo. Despite the CAP numbers only three planes fought with the raid:

Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 17
Ki-27b Nate x 12
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ia Oscar: 1 destroyed


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

5) B-25Cs from Palembang raid Singkawang at 100 feet. Target the AMc, miss, do some port damage. The -25's range is a nice feature in this era.

6) Makasar falls, and landings begin at Donggala, the last Allied base on the Celebes. 66th Naval Guards take Hollandia without opposition, a nice VP haul. Allied subs reposition to interdict the next set of bases down the coast.

7) Lashio's air field goes to 4. Forts are already there. This will be tough one if/when.
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Reverend DeYoung in 10th Grade world history class was known for his bad puns.  One day he was teaching us about King Otto (of some Middle European country).  Otto, he said, was a good father who one day made a little play toy to suspend above his child's bed.  It was, Rev. DeYoung claimed, "The first Otto Mobile."
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Reverend DeYoung in 10th Grade world history class was known for his bad puns.  One day he was teaching us about King Otto (of some Middle European country).  Otto, he said, was a good father who one day made a little play toy to suspend above his child's bed.  It was, Rev. DeYoung claimed, "The first Otto Mobile."

Were you allowed to bring old fruit to class? [:'(]

This is what's wrong with American education . . . The guy is a KING, works his whole life climbing over people to get there, and all you remember is the pun!
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He didn't allow us to bring overripe fruit, but we were permitted to toss wads of paper at him. He really was a good sport.

Well, one day, I began working on a wad of paper.  I sat in the back of the room, so my activities went unnoticed.  I kept adding paper while waiting for him to utter a bad pun.  Eventually the wad grew to the size of a bowling ball.  I think it weighed at least a pound or two.  Finally, he offered the pun.  He had his back to the class.  I tossed The Wad and it zoomed past his shoulder and hit the blackboard with a sound that can only be described as startling and impressive.

I was no longer permitted to sit in back.
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Singers is just a tough nut if the AA has ammo.

After Michealm made some changes the game plays much differently as far as AA goes. In fact, the ol' home game restrictions on ground attacks can be made meaningless if AA accompanies the ground forces. The ol' vulnerable places like Truk with reall 88L71 flak batteries if supplied are flak traps with these software behavior changes. [Before the change I could wipe Truk out with a night raid with few losses .. now lots of damaged and downed 4E aircraft with little in runway damage because flak also effects results .. ]

There is also a real penalty now for not blitzkreiging Singapore because the combination of flak and forts with LI and supply rules changes, and this makes a very tough and expensive nut to crack as time goes by . Add to this equation airpower and the IJ have a very real problem if they let things develop ... .

The lesson is .. in the new Beta's the IJ have to come to Singapore with a lot more and quickly overcome the defenders before they can build up forts .. or face Verdun with the clock ticking ...
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Singers is just a tough nut if the AA has ammo.

After Michealm made some changes the game plays much differently as far as AA goes. In fact, the ol' home game restrictions on ground attacks can be made meaningless if AA accompanies the ground forces. The ol' vulnerable places like Truk with reall 88L71 flak batteries if supplied are flak traps with these software behavior changes. [Before the change I could wipe Truk out with a night raid with few losses .. now lots of damaged and downed 4E aircraft with little in runway damage because flak also effects results .. ]

There is also a real penalty now for not blitzkreiging Singapore because the combination of flak and forts with LI and supply rules changes, and this makes a very tough and expensive nut to crack as time goes by . Add to this equation airpower and the IJ have a very real problem if they let things develop ... .

The lesson is .. in the new Beta's the IJ have to come to Singapore with a lot more and quickly overcome the defenders before they can build up forts .. or face Verdun with the clock ticking ...

Yep. But, but, but. Once the hex is invested only the LI produces, and it's 180 a day I think. I have a pretty moderate defense now and it eats about 1000/day with forts 3-to-4 running. Higher levels of fort building would be a serious drain.

It can be taken with the divisions Japan has. They're far better than the Malaysian and Indian troops who retreated down the penn. and about the same as the Aussies. But it can't be taken without a bloodbath if Japan waits.

This is Singers since the last attack took Forts down to 2. Note the AV is only 1154, and probably 300 at least is very low quality. The base is very take-able now.

OTOH, he's lost hundreds of bombers to not stop fort-building a bit. Fatigue is universally at 3, and Morale is excellent.


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Just sent the next turn back. Wanted to post a screenie of what's up near Palmyra. I have no idea what this is.

I stopped the last unloading (the base is over spoilage limits on Supply already) and ordered everything to retreat east, including the APD ASW guys. One AP is too crippled to leave the pier and he'll have it if he wants.

But what is this? A re-invasion? (The second TF is DD and xAK(s)) Even if it is and even if it works, for what? If it's just a harrassment raid on the merchants it's a boatload (several in fact) of fuel to come from wherever to punch on some xAKs. I don't get it. Which usually means I missed something.



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Hmmm Your at turn 108 (March 25, 1942) with level 3 forts in Singapore .. the average bear is surrendering by the first week of Feb ... I say any days Singapore are holding out beyond this is gravy .. and soon .. very soon this delay will permeate throughout the empire ...

You have taught me that if I ever play the IJ I am bringing the kichen sink day one to seize Singapore .. maybe at the costs of PI holding out another month or so ..
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March 24, 1942

Liberate Me!

1) First employment of initial model Liberators, the LB-30. Allies only get a small pile of these and then they're gone (from memory.) They have good legs and bomb loads, so I swapped them in for some Forts.

At Djambi the B-26s go in first, high, lose two, and do no damge. But they do eat up CAP ops points. The Liberators come in low at 3000 feet and record 6 Oil hits. The B-17s do 2 more at Tarakan. Liberators hit Brunei but do no damage. The LB-30's self-defense looks about as good as the Fort's, IOW, as bombers they're great sweepers.

The Oil pinpricks look like nothing, but they add up. Yesterday's 19 hits are almost three week's work to repair and two big xAKs-worth of supplies. Today, eight more repair days and a big load's worth of supplies which won't build AFs or fund combat.

2) Not a good day for the IJN submarine force. I-1 has been hanging around the wormhole exit from the Canal to San Diego. Smart use of a boat, no quesiton. But there are 9387 ASW planes flying that pie slice. It shot at a passing TF and DD Walke got in 4 hits, one penetrating. Up near Kodiak I-2 had it out with AM Penguin, late of Guam. No damage, but it's nice to see old Penguin in the war. Kodiak is a new patrol area, or at least the first time I've seen it active. This might mean something re Dutch Harbor, or it could be nothing.

Then, near Hilo, the UNDERDOG boys passing by got attacked by I-174. With extensive carrier ASW to pin the datum, plus a handful of BB and cruiser planes, the battle was on. Forced to the surface, it didn't last long for the I-boat:

Sub attack near Hilo at 186,112

Japanese Ships
SS I-174, hits 21, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Sims
DD Hammann
DD Anderson

3) Zero sweeps at Palembang take out 6 Allied for no Japanese fighters. I think it might be time to give P. another CAP time-out. The forts are getting built either way.

4) Singapore gets an Oscar attack on the MLs (two damaged; four more come out of the yards any day), and lots of bombing. 48 damaged, 1 Betty downed. Light damage.

5) Harassment bombing in China, including this one:

Morning Air attack on Kienko , at 78,41

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 19
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 8
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9

No Japanese losses

Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 3

There have been no Chinese troops in this base for at least two weeks. I almost want to send a Chinese Rudolf Hess with a message. Almost. [:)]

6) Donggala falls, completing the Celebes for Japan. No other landings.
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But what is this? A re-invasion? (The second TF is DD and xAK(s)) Even if it is and even if it works, for what? If it's just a harrassment raid on the merchants it's a boatload (several in fact) of fuel to come from wherever to punch on some xAKs. I don't get it. Which usually means I missed something.

This close to Pearl I think its safe to assume its the full KB. Have you monitored your own CV TFs to see if the DL has risen on any of them? Could he have spotted them either via sub or sigint and is now looking for a fight?
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