Tanks vs Helicopters

jrcar · Post by **jrcar** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:15 am

Originally posted by David Heath
Hi Guys

I just finishing playing the early beta and it is sweat.... Robert was worried but I think this game going to be a surprised to many gamers.

David

LOL thanks David, now share the bounty around

Cheers

Rob

Sabre21 · Post by **Sabre21** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:25 am

I hope it's not too much sweat...but I guess I could use the workout:)

Sabre21

IronManBeta · Post by **IronManBeta** » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:40 am

Thanks Sabre!

So now I have made the following game changes based on your suggestions:

My two more 'exposed' postures now correspond to Low Level flight, 'stealthy' to contour flying, and 'covered' would be nap of the earth flying. That is not exactly as you described it so eloquently, but it is close enough I think. I will also try out a generic flight speed of 110 kph (up from a rather sedentary 70 kph) and see what happens. I know 110 kph is a little slower than the max possible you suggested but I need to see how the game engine reacts to this before I go any higher. My guess is that by the time reaction fire has been triggered by the helicopter unit, it will have already have moved out of the LOS of the ground unit - a pretty realistic result in most cases I would guess. That was already happening at 70 kph and I didn't know how realistic it was.

I had an elaborate spreadsheet years ago that tried to work out 'virtual protection' scores for WW2 tanks as well as their 'actual protection' scores based on armor thickness and slope, chance of a hit on the various surfaces, etc. The virtual protection idea was that smaller and more agile vehicles were intrinsically harder to hit and therefore had a better battlefield survivability rate then the basic armor rating would otherwise indicate. This helicopter discussion is bringing that all back to mind now.

In response to Byron's earlier question re stumbling over ZSU batteries unexpectedly, YES, this can definitely happen in the game. I like the point too that the helicopters can be moving so close and so fast that it would be largely a matter of luck if a gun could be brought to bear in time. I need to figure out how to model that. Thanks everyone for the great discussion.

Cheers all, Rob.

byron13 · Post by **byron13** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:23 am

Ho, hum. So, what's the weather like where you are?

Sabre21 · Post by **Sabre21** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 1:22 pm

You aren't bored now are ya Byron?

It's freezing here.

Sabre21

jrcar · Post by **jrcar** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 1:50 pm

Well its 2000hrs here and bloody hot still. No rain on the horizen for another month. We are in the midst of the biggest drought this centuary.

The upside is I'm going surfing for a few days so I can cool down

Catch ya on the beta.... I hope

Cheers

Rob

byron13 · Post by **byron13** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 7:27 pm

Yup, I'm bored. It's like being the SDO and it's 0400.

You know, JR, when the response comes on the beta-testing, you'll have to respond within two hours. If you're out surfing . . . . well, sorry lad. Maybe I'll put in a good word for you even though you're slacking off at the beach. No, probably not.

Actually, this response is grounded in my jealousy. It's a cold, rainy day here, and there's nothing to do but work and look at the Matrix forum.

DavidW75 · Post by **DavidW75** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 8:19 pm

Originally posted by jrcar

The upside is I'm going surfing for a few days so I can cool down

No fair....I won't be able to get down to Florida for a couple of more months...catch a wave for me.

jrcar · Post by **jrcar** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:32 am

I'll be sure to tell you all about it... sun, surf and young women in skimpy clothes (assuming my wife doesn't poke my eyes out!).

Cheers

Rob

byron13 · Post by **byron13** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 6:48 am

Well, at least you get to stare at your wife while she's wearing skimpy clothes. Or is that no reason to go to the beach?

jrcar · Post by **jrcar** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:47 pm

Originally posted by byron13
Well, at least you get to stare at your wife while she's wearing skimpy clothes. Or is that no reason to go to the beach?

No comment, the BBS has spies on it

I'm back BTW, very pleasent, waves small (3ft) but very surfable.

ON ON!

Cheers

Rob

byron13 · Post by **byron13** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:04 am

Ho, hum. So how was the weather at the beach? Your wife smack you for oggling the other lasses?

I had a very pleasant weekend in cold Atlanta, thank you very much. Even managed to fix the door bell. I'm such a handy guy around the house.

IChristie · Post by **IChristie** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:16 am

Working on getting some preview shots of a new map ready for you. Just putting the finishing touches on them - should have something for you soon.

In the meantime, if jrcar has some preview shots from the beach - we'd love to see those...

I spent Sunday shovelling about 75cm of snow off the back deck. The windchill overnight dropped below -30C. Now you know why I spend my free time in front of the computer drawing maps...

jrcar · Post by **jrcar** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:56 am

Too busy surfing with only one eye (bikini's are vicious... when you are caught looking!) to take photos... got a few of my 9 week old daughter being introduced to the surf though

You can keep the snow there thank you very much, but some rain would be nice!

Cheers

Rob

byron13 · Post by **byron13** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 7:07 pm

Oh, man! Caught peeking elsewhere when your old lady is going to the beach for the first since delivering? Bad form! Absolutely understandable, but bad form just the same. I'm surprised she didn't put both your eyes out. Of course, I guess you need one eye to change the diapers at 3:00 in the morning and to perform the other tasks has planned for you as part of your punishment.

jrcar · Post by **jrcar** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:17 am

You got it! She was leniant, like the Turks leaving every tenth man one eye so he can lead the other 9 home

Cheers

Rob

IChristie · Post by **IChristie** » Sun Feb 16, 2003 11:08 am

Just in case you thought I was kidding. Another weeked another day where the temperature hovered around -20C.

Here's a look at our local public beach as it looked today. Not too many bikinis in sight. Have to stay indoors and make our own heat!

Hey, jrcar... I feel your pain, our youngest is just coming up on 20 weeks. Feels like she's spent most of her life in a snowsuit!

DavidW75 · Post by **DavidW75** » Sun Feb 16, 2003 11:24 pm

It got up to 70 yesterday. Of course that was before the cold front blew thru and we went under a tornado watch. Luckily all we ended up having was severe thunderstorms.

jrcar · Post by **jrcar** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 6:04 am

Well today we have had a few (2-5?)mm of rain, the first decent fall in about 6 weeks, and the second decent fall in about 4 months. Its also cooler at 27 c (about 75-80 F). Even with water restrictions we have less than a years supply left, one town near us has about 6 weeks of water left. They estimate that it will take several years of above average falls to fill the dams again.

This year is the first time since about 1800 that Australia has imported grain from the UK!

So please send the precipitation, but keep the snow!

Cheers

Rob

jrcar · Post by **jrcar** » Mon Feb 17, 2003 6:09 am

**** that will hurt when I fall off the board!

Reminds me of my time in the snow... snuggled up to something warm

but better be careful, that was BTW (before the wife).

My girl is suffering a bit in the heat, she loves showers and the bath!

Cheers

Rob

Originally posted by IChristie
Just in case you thought I was kidding. Another weeked another day where the temperature hovered around -20C.

Here's a look at our local public beach as it looked today. Not too many bikinis in sight. Have to stay indoors and make our own heat!

Hey, jrcar... I feel your pain, our youngest is just coming up on 20 weeks. Feels like she's spent most of her life in a snowsuit!

Tanks vs Helicopters

Hang in there guys...

A Day at the beach!

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