Hairy Asian Experiences - GreyJoy (J) vs. Q-Ball (A)

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

What do you mean with "overtime"?

Into 1946.

Your quote was bad news going into Overtime .. That is very good news for GreyJoy beause that means the IJ have a small victory .. [;)] In fact, I would say it is far more likley for the IJ to win beause of "overtime" than to achieve the elusive autovictory .. barring Allies acutely contracting sudden carrier loss syndrome..[:'(]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

What do you mean with "overtime"?

Into 1946.

Your quote was bad news going into Overtime .. That is very good news for GreyJoy beause that means the IJ have a small victory .. [;)] In fact, I would say it is far more likley for the IJ to win beause of "overtime" than to achieve the elusive autovictory .. barring Allies acutely contracting sudden carrier loss syndrome..[:'(]

well, going into 1946 would surely be a great result and that's my final goal anyway. Point is that we're just in july 1943 and the allies have already put a foothold into southern DEI and have already advanced up to Rabaul in SOPAC. I sincerly don't see how i could last untill 1946. If Brad keeps on advancing with this pace he's gonna cut my oil/fuel production by half 1944.
But it's too early to tell. What i surely need is time...i need to gain time in order to reorganize my deep defences, to build up reserves and to make an iron wall around Japan. But to gain time against this opponent is clearly a difficult task. Brad is cautious but, at the same time, knows when it's time to take some calculated risks.

[Crackaces]

well, going into 1946 would surely be a great result and that's my final goal anyway. Point is that we're just in july 1943 and the allies have already put a foothold into southern DEI and have already advanced up to Rabaul in SOPAC. I sincerly don't see how i could last untill 1946.

Well that exchange of air platforms for APA's and AP's along with BB's should put a damper on things .. I might propose that the current route plays into the IJ deploying surface combants and interlocking LBA. Each Allied platform sunk adds to the denominator, which requires more IJ losses to catch uo the points. The Allies can advance at will but if they spend too many butts in doing so -- they lose.

I have to agree that over time the DEI theater exposes the IJ to have to defend a lot more critical targets. but in the meantime I might propose that it plays into the IJ's strength in 1943. The Allies have limited aircraft replacements and the IJ almost limitless. The DEI requires a line of attack where the IJ can use multiple bases to launch strikes and the Allies have to play "wack-a-mole" to supress multiple airfields. In the meantime, the attrition and points keep climbing ... Finally, the DEI is where the fuel is .. no need to ship a bunch of fuel out to some remote Pacfic island .. it is all right there in huge ports ...

We shall see ..

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock



Into 1946.

Your quote was bad news going into Overtime .. That is very good news for GreyJoy beause that means the IJ have a small victory .. [;)] In fact, I would say it is far more likley for the IJ to win beause of "overtime" than to achieve the elusive autovictory .. barring Allies acutely contracting sudden carrier loss syndrome..[:'(]

well, going into 1946 would surely be a great result and that's my final goal anyway. Point is that we're just in july 1943 and the allies have already put a foothold into southern DEI and have already advanced up to Rabaul in SOPAC. I sincerly don't see how i could last untill 1946. If Brad keeps on advancing with this pace he's gonna cut my oil/fuel production by half 1944.
But it's too early to tell. What i surely need is time...i need to gain time in order to reorganize my deep defences, to build up reserves and to make an iron wall around Japan. But to gain time against this opponent is clearly a difficult task. Brad is cautious but, at the same time, knows when it's time to take some calculated risks.

I think Aztez heading into June 1945 in his AAR but is Japanese opponent is good and got a very big head start. My game with Viberpol is in early 45 but I just don't see it going to 1946-and I consider him a top notch player. Point is, we are not going to see many games make 46 unless the Allied player is totally over matched. The Allies are just too powerful-even in Scen 2.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

well, going into 1946 would surely be a great result and that's my final goal anyway. Point is that we're just in july 1943 and the allies have already put a foothold into southern DEI and have already advanced up to Rabaul in SOPAC. I sincerly don't see how i could last untill 1946.

Well that exchange of air platforms for APA's and AP's along with BB's should put a damper on things .. I might propose that the current route plays into the IJ deploying surface combants and interlocking LBA. Each Allied platform sunk adds to the denominator, which requires more IJ losses to catch uo the points. The Allies can advance at will but if they spend too many butts in doing so -- they lose.

I have to agree that over time the DEI theater exposes the IJ to have to defend a lot more critical targets. but in the meantime I might propose that it plays into the IJ's strength in 1943. The Allies have limited aircraft replacements and the IJ almost limitless. The DEI requires a line of attack where the IJ can use multiple bases to launch strikes and the Allies have to play "wack-a-mole" to supress multiple airfields. In the meantime, the attrition and points keep climbing ... Finally, the DEI is where the fuel is .. no need to ship a bunch of fuel out to some remote Pacfic island .. it is all right there in huge ports ...

We shall see ..

It's an interesting debate.
To be honest i don't know. Not enough experienced to give a good answer.
When i was on the allied side i was really scared by the whole DEI. The idea of getting there with so many enemy air bases was scary...that's why i chose the Northern Route in that game.
But then i have also seen Jnaez against Rader doing a great job advancing from Darwin towards Manila. Slow but steady.

The DEI remains a great place to advance and the pressure on the IJ player becomes bigger and bigger as soon as the oil fields get in range of the 4Es.

As you say, we shall see, but the good thing is that the DEI threat lets me focus on a limited part of the map. The inner pacific, once secured the Bonis-Mariannas chains, is, somehow, self-defending untill 1944 me thinks.
With enough forces to prevent any easy-picking and with a couple of Air HQs in level 5 AFs, make the Mariannas a damned difficult place to attack without having bombed them to oblivion first. And if you deny him Truk and Ponape, the only approach is from NG...which is clearly slower. And as long as the Pacific is secured i may keep on holding the KB in the DEI...which, with enough LBA in support, should prevent any more easy advance

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Crackaces




Your quote was bad news going into Overtime .. That is very good news for GreyJoy beause that means the IJ have a small victory .. [;)] In fact, I would say it is far more likley for the IJ to win beause of "overtime" than to achieve the elusive autovictory .. barring Allies acutely contracting sudden carrier loss syndrome..[:'(]

well, going into 1946 would surely be a great result and that's my final goal anyway. Point is that we're just in july 1943 and the allies have already put a foothold into southern DEI and have already advanced up to Rabaul in SOPAC. I sincerly don't see how i could last untill 1946. If Brad keeps on advancing with this pace he's gonna cut my oil/fuel production by half 1944.
But it's too early to tell. What i surely need is time...i need to gain time in order to reorganize my deep defences, to build up reserves and to make an iron wall around Japan. But to gain time against this opponent is clearly a difficult task. Brad is cautious but, at the same time, knows when it's time to take some calculated risks.

I think Aztez heading into June 1945 in his AAR but is Japanese opponent is good and got a very big head start. My game with Viberpol is in early 45 but I just don't see it going to 1946-and I consider him a top notch player. Point is, we are not going to see many games make 46 unless the Allied player is totally over matched. The Allies are just too powerful-even in Scen 2.

In my limited experince with this game, the biggest problem I see is the IJ strategy of expand expand expand... disaster ... shift over to the defense ..and a great many good players fall into this trap ..

GreyJoy is establishing a very strong defensive line that will take a great toll .. and he still has the resources to exchange at this point .. thus my general thought that this will be a close match with the Allies gaining ground at great costs ... one base stuck out in the middle of interlocking bases will take a lot punishment that will take some time to get supporting bases invaded and built .. in the meantime .. the clock ticks ..

[Chickenboy]

Good thoughts, Crackaces. I agree.

The key is making 'em pay premium for each and every base they pry from your grasp. Saumlaki cost 'em 3 BB and a bunch of quality support ships. Probably 200 (?) aircraft too. What will Lautem cost them? Kendari? Ambon should be a bloodbath. Boela? And the list goes on.

Extract a premium price for each of these small and insignificant islands and the bleeding will eventually weaken their position. Irreplaceable ships and a negative VP net exchange for replaceable planes and pilots? OK. I'll take that. Now do it again. [8D]

[crsutton]

QBall has made mistakes but I don't think he is the type to not learn from his mistakes. GJs carefully executed KB traps should have cost him more. But all in all, I would gladly take his (QBalls) position on the board now. Given it is scen 2 and based on my own experience he is ahead of the game. He had a tactical loss but gained a key foothold and 1,000 dead enemy planes in exchange. His losses are nothing he can't deal with. Not to be dissing Greyjoy who is a fine player. It is just that if the Allies don't lost big by now they should do just fine.

The real trump card is KB which GJ has done a great job of keeping intact.

[jeffk3510]

That seems to be a good exchange.. planes are easier to replace than ships IMO... especially as Japan. That had to boost the morale a bit. Always fun catching up on your AAR.

You wouldn't mind posting a few maps of the action areas would you?

Thanks.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Good thoughts, Crackaces. I agree.

The key is making 'em pay premium for each and every base they pry from your grasp. Saumlaki cost 'em 3 BB and a bunch of quality support ships. Probably 200 (?) aircraft too. What will Lautem cost them? Kendari? Ambon should be a bloodbath. Boela? And the list goes on.

Extract a premium price for each of these small and insignificant islands and the bleeding will eventually weaken their position. Irreplaceable ships and a negative VP net exchange for replaceable planes and pilots? OK. I'll take that. Now do it again. [8D]

In my opinion Checkenboy .. this has not been the typical IJ clash. GreyJoy has been very smart in utilizing measured responses throughout this game rather than run the KB around and strike this and strike that .. thus the ability to execute as you describe in 1943 .. making each step a bloodbath .. eventually putting an invasion TF into davy jones' locker .. when that happends this AAR is going to have a different feel [:'(]

[GreyJoy]

Hi all,

Sorry for the lack of updates and screenshots but it being a very tough moment at work.
Now Brad is leaving for a trip in europe....unfortunately we won't be able to meet cause we'll miss each other in paris for a couple of days[:(]

However now i'm leaving for a congress for the whole week end so i'll have plenty of time to update and talk about everything

[:)]

See u later

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces
when that happends this AAR is going to have a different feel

Perhaps. But it hasn't happened yet. So good on GreyJoy for holding the line the way he has against an experienced opponent. Making him (Q-ball) pay premium will prolong this game.

[Canoerebel]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

However now i'm leaving for a congress for the whole week end so i'll have plenty of time to update and talk about everything

[:)]

It would be quite entertaining if you would join our Congress, GJ.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

However now i'm leaving for a congress for the whole week end so i'll have plenty of time to update and talk about everything

[:)]

It would be quite entertaining if you would join our Congress, GJ.

I'd venture that his idea of "congress" is in fitting with a more physiomechanical definition of congress, CR. [;)]

[Canoerebel]

I have no idea what you just said!

[FatR]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces
In my limited experince with this game, the biggest problem I see is the IJ strategy of expand expand expand... disaster ... shift over to the defense ..and a great many good players fall into this trap ..

Well, the problem is, a fully cautious strategy doesn't work for Japan. Unless you inflict a major naval defeat on the Allies in 1942, you can only cross your fingers and hope that your opponent will go for a low-risk approach, or mismanage his game-winning invasion. So agression is necessary to bait an Allied player into fighting you before he has superior forces.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I have no idea what you just said!

Conjugal congress! [:D]

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

However now i'm leaving for a congress for the whole week end so i'll have plenty of time to update and talk about everything

[:)]

It would be quite entertaining if you would join our Congress, GJ.

Would that be the Confederate congress? "Oh we will hang Jeff Davis from a sour apple tree...."[:D]

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

However now i'm leaving for a congress for the whole week end so i'll have plenty of time to update and talk about everything

[:)]

It would be quite entertaining if you would join our Congress, GJ.

I'd venture that his idea of "congress" is in fitting with a more physiomechanical definition of congress, CR. [;)]

Ummm. Now me head hurts so bad..

[Cribtop]

Agreed, FatR. Sinking some or all of the first batch of Allied CVs, and getting some APs and AKs in the bargain, really can alter the Allied timetable. Easier said than done, of course.