Fire on the Mountains - Paladin1 (A) vs MrKane (J) - No MrKane please!

[Paladin1dcs]

Also, it seems that I have an IJN CV force operating in the waters South of Wake. I lost AM Penguin and AG Regulus to air attacks which included Zeros, Vals and Kates so I suspect that I'm dealing with at least two Fleet CVs if not more.

The number of escorting Zeros on these strikes was quite large, as if an entire CV's fighter wing was dedicated to escorting the attack, but I'm not sure. Someone with more experience please let me know what you think I could be dealing with here? I'm tempted to sortie my CVs, but only if I can achieve either 2:2 or 3:2 odds in my favor.

Thoughts?

[Bullwinkle58]

A comment on Miri. If you're going to do the strike it's better to hit the Oil than the Refineries. The refineries throw off some supply, but without oil they're useless for making fuel. Without refineries he just takes the oil elsewhere to make fuel.

[Paladin1dcs]

That makes sense. Also, can he repair damage to the Oil/Refinery or is it's damage permanent? I thought I saw somewhere that if an oilfield or refinery was damaged, it wasn't able to be repaired.

[Quixote]

You can repair both Oil and Refineries, but it takes time and requires considerable supplies.

On a side note, on your disastrous shock attack at Ichang a couple of turns ago, it looks very much like you only attacked with one or two units, not with your whole 1600+AV (couple of units crossing the river and auto-shocking from the west maybe?) Depending on what you have there now, you may still be able to take Ichang with a shock using all of your units simultaneously. Worth looking at, at least.

[Paladin1dcs]

ORIGINAL: Quixote

You can repair both Oil and Refineries, but it takes time and requires considerable supplies.

On a side note, on your disastrous shock attack at Ichang a couple of turns ago, it looks very much like you only attacked with one or two units, not with your whole 1600+AV (couple of units crossing the river and auto-shocking from the west maybe?) Depending on what you have there now, you may still be able to take Ichang with a shock using all of your units simultaneously. Worth looking at, at least.

ORIGINAL: Quixote

You can repair both Oil and Refineries, but it takes time and requires considerable supplies.

On a side note, on your disastrous shock attack at Ichang a couple of turns ago, it looks very much like you only attacked with one or two units, not with your whole 1600+AV (couple of units crossing the river and auto-shocking from the west maybe?) Depending on what you have there now, you may still be able to take Ichang with a shock using all of your units simultaneously. Worth looking at, at least.

That's good to know about the Oil/Refinery repairs. I'll keep the pressure on him then, at least until he puts enough Zeros there to stop me.

As for Ichang, I looked into it and it does appear that what you describe is exactly what happened. I've been resting my troops and prepping for the next attack, which should be in 2-3 days at this rate. I anticipate taking Ichang this time, but am moving up some artillery from the Central Reserve just in case it's needed.

On a side note to that, my opponent doesn't seem to be very active in China and really hasn't been hitting very many places in the CenPac, SoPac or SWPac. He's active, sort of, in Malaya and I've not seen hide nor hair of him in Burma yet; not that I'm complaining. I've been able to almost completely empty Palembang and Balikpapan of Oil and Fuel, shuttling it to Soerabaja first and then down to Perth. His only invasion in the DEI or Borneo to date has been at Miri. Does it normally take a player that long to hit the SRA or should I be watching for moves elsewhere?

[Paladin1dcs]

A couple more days of action, nothing much to note really.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 15, 41
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ASW attack near Molokai at 180,109

Japanese Ships
SS I-8

Allied Ships
DD Schley
DD Chew

SS I-8 is sighted by escort
I-8 diving deep ....
DD Schley fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Chew fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Schley fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Schley fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Schley fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Schley fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Schley fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Amphibious Assault at Baybay (81,86)

TF 89 troops unloading over beach at Baybay, 81,86

Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost in surf during unload of Kimura Det
15 Support troops lost in surf during unload of Kimura Det
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost from landing craft during unload of Kimura Det /3
15 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of Kimura Det /3
15 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Naval Const Bn /2
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad accidentally lost during unload of Kimura Det /4


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Submarine attack near Soerabaja at 56,103

Japanese Ships
SS I-164

Allied Ships
xAKL Tatung

xAKL Tatung is sighted by SS I-164
SS I-164 launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Tatung


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Submarine attack near Donggala at 67,98

Japanese Ships
SS I-153

Allied Ships
xAKL Lepus, Shell hits 6, on fire

xAKL Lepus is sighted by SS I-153
SS I-153 attacking on the surface
Massive explosion on xAKL Lepus
SS I-153 low on gun ammo, Aihara J. breaks off surface engagement and submerges


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ASW attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 64,74

Japanese Ships
PB Shonon Maru #10

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII

SS KXVIII is sighted by escort
KXVIII diving deep ....
PB Shonon Maru #10 attacking submerged sub ....
PB Shonon Maru #10 is out of ASW ammo
PB Shonon Maru #10 is out of ASW ammo
PB Shonon Maru #10 is out of ASW ammo
PB Shonon Maru #10 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Shonon Maru #10 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Shonon Maru #10 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Shonon Maru #10 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Sub attack near Donggala at 69,96

Japanese Ships
SS I-153

Allied Ships
AO Trinity, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Isabel

SS I-153 launches 4 torpedoes at AO Trinity
PG Isabel fails to find sub, continues to search...
PG Isabel fails to find sub, continues to search...
PG Isabel fails to find sub, continues to search...
PG Isabel fails to find sub, continues to search...
PG Isabel fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Morning Air attack on 8th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 16
Ki-30 Ann x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 67th Chinese Corps ...


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Morning Air attack on 62nd Chinese Corps, at 76,57 (Wuchow)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 8
Ki-36 Ida x 10
Ki-44 Tojo x 6
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 13th Chinese Base Force ...
Also attacking 62nd Chinese Corps ...


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Morning Air attack on 21st Chinese Corps, at 85,55 , near Nanchang

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 6
Ki-51 Sonia x 9

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Miri , at 64,87

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 4 damaged

Oil hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 15000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 15000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 15000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Yamada Det S-2 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 4 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters to 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 32000 feet *



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 30

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-43-Ia Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 23

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-43-Ia Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet



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Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 17555 troops, 289 guns, 168 vehicles, Assault Value = 438

Defending force 8030 troops, 131 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 207

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
38th Division
66th Infantry Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
Rifles of Canada Battalion
1st Middlesex Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
102nd RN Base Force
Hong Kong Fortress

[Paladin1dcs]

Another day, not much going on. I stood my B-17s down today due to damage from yesterday's raid on Miri. I'll hit them again tomorrow.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 16, 41
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ASW attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 64,73

Japanese Ships
DD Sanae
DD Kuretake

Allied Ships
SS KXV

SS KXV is located by DD Sanae
KXV diving deep ....
DD Sanae fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Sub attack near San Fernando at 79,73

Japanese Ships
xAKL Korei Maru
PB Kyo Maru #2
PB Shonan Maru #17
PB Shonan Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS S-38

SS S-38 launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Korei Maru
S-38 diving deep ....
PB Shonan Maru #17 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Shonan Maru #2 fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Shonan Maru #17 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Shonan Maru #17 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Shonan Maru #17 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Shonan Maru #17 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Shonan Maru #17 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 67,75

Japanese Ships
DD Sanae
DD Kuretake

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII

SS KXVIII is located by DD Sanae
KXVIII diving deep ....
DD Sanae fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Sanae attacking submerged sub ....
DD Sanae cannot establish contact with SS KXVIII
DD Sanae cannot establish contact with SS KXVIII
DD Sanae fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sanae fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sanae attacking submerged sub ....
SS KXVIII eludes DD Sanae by diving deep
SS KXVIII eludes ASW attack from DD Sanae
SS KXVIII eludes ASW attack from DD Sanae
SS KXVIII eludes DD Sanae by diving deep
DD Sanae cannot reach attack position over SS KXVIII
DD Sanae fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 67,75

Japanese Ships
DD Kuretake
DD Sanae

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII

SS KXVIII launches 4 torpedoes at DD Kuretake
DD Sanae fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kuretake fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 77,61 (Hong Kong)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 88 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 10
G4M1 Betty x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
10 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Kowloon Brigade ...
Also attacking 102nd RN Base Force ...
Also attacking Hong Kong Fortress ...
Also attacking Kowloon Brigade ...
Also attacking 102nd RN Base Force ...
Also attacking Hong Kong Fortress ...


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Morning Air attack on Kowloon Brigade, at 77,61 (Hong Kong)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 29

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 102nd RN Base Force, at 77,61 (Hong Kong)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Hong Kong Fortress ...
Also attacking 102nd RN Base Force ...
Also attacking Hong Kong Fortress ...
Also attacking 102nd RN Base Force ...


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Morning Air attack on 8th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 15
Ki-30 Ann x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...


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Morning Air attack on 21st Chinese Corps, at 85,55 , near Nanchang

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 6
Ki-51 Sonia x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 42

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-43-Ia Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet



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Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 31
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 28

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 damaged
Vildebeest III: 3 damaged
Vildebeest III: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 17594 troops, 289 guns, 166 vehicles, Assault Value = 441

Defending force 7926 troops, 131 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 202

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
38th Division
66th Infantry Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
1st Middlesex Battalion
Rifles of Canada Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
102nd RN Base Force
Hong Kong Fortress

[Paladin1dcs]

Finally got something to report, although it's not good. Not only is the IJA landing at Brunai, but when I hit Miri again today, I lost 9 of 18 B-17s when I ran into a cloud of 30+ Zeroes. Although I only show two bombers downed here, I lost another 7 either on the flight back or on landing at Soerabaja, with three pilots killed or reported MIA. Miri is officially out of the question for now, unless I can neutralize those Zeros.


One thing I'd like to know though is what type of Carriers did those Zeros come from? Zuiho, Hosho and Ryujo are mentioned, but aren't those CVLs? If so, what do I make of this? Did he off-load his Zeros from those CVLs or are they close enough to help stop the raid? I'm thinking that there's a force of CVLs just North of Borneo, but I'm not sure and I don't have any CVs of my own in range to do anything about them. LBA are not going to work and even the dreaded 'Beests won't make it through a Zero CAP without a huge escort, which I can't provide due to the massive sweeps over Singers.




AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 17, 41
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Sub attack near Singkawang at 56,87

Japanese Ships
SS I-124

Allied Ships
AVP Poolster

SS I-124 launches 2 torpedoes


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Sub vs Sub: SS RO-63 attacking SS Tambor at 116,109 - near Truk

Japanese Ships
SS RO-63

Allied Ships
SS Tambor

SS RO-63 launches 2 torpedoes at 4,000 yards


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Sub attack near Donggala at 68,97

Japanese Ships
SS I-156

Allied Ships
DD Piet Hein
CL Java
DD Kortenaer
DD Banckert
DD Van Nes
DD Witte de With

SS I-156 launches 6 torpedoes at DD Piet Hein
I-156 diving deep ....
DD Banckert fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Van Nes attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-156 eludes DD Van Nes by diving deep
DD Van Nes cannot establish contact with SS I-156
DD Witte de With fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Banckert fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Van Nes fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Witte de With fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Van Nes fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Van Nes fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Van Nes fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Van Nes attacking submerged sub ....
DD Van Nes cannot reach attack position over SS I-156
DD Van Nes cannot establish contact with SS I-156
Escort abandons search for sub


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Pre-Invasion action off Brunei (65,87)

7 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii
AK Kaga Maru
DMS W-4

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

CL Kashii firing at 107th RN Base Force
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Brunei (65,87)

TF 93 troops unloading over beach at Brunei, 65,87

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of Yokosuka 2nd SNLF


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Amphibious Assault at 58,89

TF 121 troops unloading over beach at 58,89

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 16th Nav Gd


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Submarine attack near Cam Ranh Bay at 62,78

Japanese Ships
AV Kamikawa Maru

Allied Ships
SS O20

AV Kamikawa Maru is sighted by SS O20
SS O20 launches 4 torpedoes


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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 77,61 (Hong Kong)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 9
G4M1 Betty x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
25 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 102nd RN Base Force ...
Also attacking Hong Kong Fortress ...
Also attacking 102nd RN Base Force ...
Also attacking Hong Kong Fortress ...


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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 77,61 (Hong Kong)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 27

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 102nd RN Base Force, at 77,61 (Hong Kong)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 3
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 26
Ki-44 Tojo x 6
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Hong Kong Fortress ...
Also attacking 102nd RN Base Force ...
Also attacking Hong Kong Fortress ...
Also attacking 102nd RN Base Force ...


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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 21

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-43-Ia Oscar sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on 45th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 14
Ki-30 Ann x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 8th Chinese Corps ...


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Morning Air attack on Kowloon Brigade, at 77,61 (Hong Kong)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 8
Ki-27b Nate x 8

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong Fortress, at 77,61 (Hong Kong)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 3
Ki-36 Ida x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 16
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 14

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 4 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 damaged
Wirraway: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 88,56 (Chuhsien)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 6
Ki-51 Sonia x 7

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 88th Chinese Corps ...


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Afternoon Air attack on Miri , at 64,87

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Oil hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 17000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 17000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 17000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Yamada Det S-2 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 2 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
Ryujo-1 with A6M2 Zero (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Raid is overhead
Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (13 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Raid is overhead
Hosho-1 with A6M2 Zero (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on Miri , at 64,87

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 17000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Yamada Det S-2 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 2 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
Ryujo-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 69 minutes
Hosho-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 161 minutes



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Sub attack near Donggala at 67,97

Japanese Ships
SS I-155

Allied Ships
HDML P 3

Captain of SS I-155 elects not to launch torpedoes at this target
Sub escapes detection


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Ground combat at Kweiteh (90,46)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 12136 troops, 102 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 356

Defending force 2857 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 96

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 658

Allied adjusted defense: 15

Japanese assault odds: 43 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kweiteh !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1119 casualties reported
Squads: 125 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
110th Division

Defending units:
51st Chinese Corps
69th Chinese Corps


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Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14597 troops, 251 guns, 168 vehicles, Assault Value = 443

Defending force 7897 troops, 129 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 202

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
38th Division
66th Infantry Regiment
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
Rifles of Canada Battalion
1st Middlesex Battalion
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
102nd RN Base Force
Hong Kong Fortress


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Ground combat at Alor Star (49,73)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1822 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Defending force 380 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 47

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 15 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Alor Star !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
175 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
91st Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
109th RAF Adv Base Force

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

Finally got something to report, although it's not good. Not only is the IJA landing at Brunai, but when I hit Miri again today, I lost 9 of 18 B-17s when I ran into a cloud of 30+ Zeroes. Although I only show two bombers downed here, I lost another 7 either on the flight back or on landing at Soerabaja, with three pilots killed or reported MIA. Miri is officially out of the question for now, unless I can neutralize those Zeros.


One thing I'd like to know though is what type of Carriers did those Zeros come from? Zuiho, Hosho and Ryujo are mentioned, but aren't those CVLs? If so, what do I make of this? Did he off-load his Zeros from those CVLs or are they close enough to help stop the raid? I'm thinking that there's a force of CVLs just North of Borneo, but I'm not sure and I don't have any CVs of my own in range to do anything about them. LBA are not going to work and even the dreaded 'Beests won't make it through a Zero CAP without a huge escort, which I can't provide due to the massive sweeps over Singers.

You have to mix up targets against humans. [:)]

What you make of the Zeros is the mini-KB is most likely around. It works the DEI hard in most games. TBs? Based from where? You know you need a torpedo-stocked air HQ to use TBs from land, right? (I don't know what you know. Sorry if that's an already-known statement about the HQ.)

In general in December 1941 you don't have the stuff to be very offensive. Fall back, defend where you must, slow him down, play fo rtime, figure out what you'll give up, don't lose ships, planes, or troops for no gain. If you hang it out Japan will cut it off. For most of the first six months at minimum.

[Paladin1dcs]

Yeah, I have to admit that it was kind of foolish of me to hit him two times in a row at this point. I need to be forcing him to react to me instead of the opposite.

The reason that I was curious about those Carriers is that I saw Ryujo and I think Zuiho on 7 DEC 41 just SW of Pearl. Granted, it could have been a FoW sighting and thus false, but it has been 9 days since I've had a positive sighting of the KB and while I had reports of Carrier aircraft hitting a couple of ships just East of Wake on 14 DEC 41, I don't have any idea as to what CVs they came from.

I don't know if the Mini-KB is in the SRA or not, but I've got plenty of shipping in the area that will need to scatter if that's the case. Tomorrow will, hopefully, tell the tale.

[Paladin1dcs]

Oh, I almost forgot. I knew about the necessity of loading HQa with torpedoes before TBs will carry out their normal attacks. I have two Squadrons of Beesties and one Flight of Swordfish at Singers, but they'll be leaving soon due to the increasing number of air raids I'm taking here, which I can't defend against. I'll pull the squadrons and HQa out to use elsewhere and if I still have time I'll try to buy out a few LCUs from the Singer's garrison as well, specifically I'm thinking about the two Aussie Brigades.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

Oh, I almost forgot. I knew about the necessity of loading HQa with torpedoes before TBs will carry out their normal attacks. I have two Squadrons of Beesties and one Flight of Swordfish at Singers, but they'll be leaving soon due to the increasing number of air raids I'm taking here, which I can't defend against. I'll pull the squadrons and HQa out to use elsewhere and if I still have time I'll try to buy out a few LCUs from the Singer's garrison as well, specifically I'm thinking about the two Aussie Brigades.

Just be careful with the Beests. If you use a drop tank you can't carry a torpedo. (That's the pre-war Beest. the later one I believe you can.) For that one model of plane the interface will let you think you loaded both, but you didn't.

The Beest without a drop tank won't get you anywhere near Miri.

As for pulling out of Singers, opinions differ. Different ways to go there. What you don't want is to put a premium LCU on ships and have them sunk on the way out. Then you lose them at Singers, the new place, everywhere. Been there.

[Paladin1dcs]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

Oh, I almost forgot. I knew about the necessity of loading HQa with torpedoes before TBs will carry out their normal attacks. I have two Squadrons of Beesties and one Flight of Swordfish at Singers, but they'll be leaving soon due to the increasing number of air raids I'm taking here, which I can't defend against. I'll pull the squadrons and HQa out to use elsewhere and if I still have time I'll try to buy out a few LCUs from the Singer's garrison as well, specifically I'm thinking about the two Aussie Brigades.

Just be careful with the Beests. If you use a drop tank you can't carry a torpedo. (That's the pre-war Beest. the later one I believe you can.) For that one model of plane the interface will let you think you loaded both, but you didn't.

The Beest without a drop tank won't get you anywhere near Miri.

As for pulling out of Singers, opinions differ. Different ways to go there. What you don't want is to put a premium LCU on ships and have them sunk on the way out. Then you lose them at Singers, the new place, everywhere. Been there.

I wasn't aware of the situation with the drop tanks, that's a good thing to know. I'm assuming that when using a drop tank, that any payload you're carrying defaults to the extended range figure?

Also, I noticed something in today's turn and I'm trying something to see what happens. Yesterday, I set a squadron of Hudsons in Rangoon to Naval Search, with part of the first arc crossing over the land near Moulmein. This turn, when I check to see what I found, it would appear that the NavSearch mission found an LCU two hexes SE of Moulmein. No details were given, other than the fact that there's a unit there and it's not mine, but this caught me off guard. Can NavSearch missions do that or did something else detect that IJA unit and, if so, what? How does detection of LCUs work anyway?

[Paladin1dcs]

Oh, and the situation at Singers is like this. I've been able to reform the two Indian Divisions north of Singers and they're now fighting a delaying action, trying to buy me time to evacuate those forces I want to save and build up as high a fortification level as possible before the whole thing collapses. I've long since retreated all of my ENG units to help with the digging at Singers, so only the two Divisions and a few independent Brigades and Battalions are left North of the city. Everyone else is inside the city, either resting and trying to raise their prep levels as high as possible for the seige or switching to STRAT mode for evacuation.

Which brings up another question. Once Singapore falls, Hong Kong too for that matter, should I reform any of those units destroyed? I usually reform the Canadian units at HK, but what about the two Indian Divisions? Are they worth it?

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

Oh, I almost forgot. I knew about the necessity of loading HQa with torpedoes before TBs will carry out their normal attacks. I have two Squadrons of Beesties and one Flight of Swordfish at Singers, but they'll be leaving soon due to the increasing number of air raids I'm taking here, which I can't defend against. I'll pull the squadrons and HQa out to use elsewhere and if I still have time I'll try to buy out a few LCUs from the Singer's garrison as well, specifically I'm thinking about the two Aussie Brigades.

Just be careful with the Beests. If you use a drop tank you can't carry a torpedo. (That's the pre-war Beest. the later one I believe you can.) For that one model of plane the interface will let you think you loaded both, but you didn't.

The Beest without a drop tank won't get you anywhere near Miri.

As for pulling out of Singers, opinions differ. Different ways to go there. What you don't want is to put a premium LCU on ships and have them sunk on the way out. Then you lose them at Singers, the new place, everywhere. Been there.

I wasn't aware of the situation with the drop tanks, that's a good thing to know. I'm assuming that when using a drop tank, that any payload you're carrying defaults to the extended range figure?

Also, I noticed something in today's turn and I'm trying something to see what happens. Yesterday, I set a squadron of Hudsons in Rangoon to Naval Search, with part of the first arc crossing over the land near Moulmein. This turn, when I check to see what I found, it would appear that the NavSearch mission found an LCU two hexes SE of Moulmein. No details were given, other than the fact that there's a unit there and it's not mine, but this caught me off guard. Can NavSearch missions do that or did something else detect that IJA unit and, if so, what? How does detection of LCUs work anyway?

On Beests: check Page 6 of the Tech Section for a thread I started about this. I was prety peeved, but look past that to Michael's response. The answer is you have to use the Aircraft Data tab as the final answer for what the game is actually loading and flying with. Don't depend on the Torpedo Loaded line being yellow. With a drop tank I believe the Beest flies with a machine gun only. But check. Drop tanks are a problem in many models. Sometimes they're on the centerline hardpoint and displace ordnance, sometimes they're on the wings and don't (or do), etc. Sometimes different models of the same named aircraft move the drop tank. The Beest is one of these. Always use the Aircraft Data tab.

The search thing is a new one. You may have actually come up with a question that's never been asked. [:)] Section 10.1.1 of the manual discusses how detection levels change. In general land detection by air takes a Recon mission, and water detection takes a Search. I'm pretty sure that there is code to detect when a Search mission is ordered over 100% land terrain types, but I don't know if there is code to detect when some segments of a Search go over land. I suspect there is not. So, I'd believe that the enemy LCU is there. I have never seen FOW apply to the actual presence of an LCU. IOW, I have never seen phantom icons show up on land. Not saying they couldn't, but I've never seen it.

It's also possible that LCU was detected by a standard means, as described in 10.1.1. Either way, I'd believe that it's there and make plans accordingly.

[jeffk3510]

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

Finally got something to report, although it's not good. Not only is the IJA landing at Brunai, but when I hit Miri again today, I lost 9 of 18 B-17s when I ran into a cloud of 30+ Zeroes. Although I only show two bombers downed here, I lost another 7 either on the flight back or on landing at Soerabaja, with three pilots killed or reported MIA. Miri is officially out of the question for now, unless I can neutralize those Zeros.


One thing I'd like to know though is what type of Carriers did those Zeros come from? Zuiho, Hosho and Ryujo are mentioned, but aren't those CVLs? If so, what do I make of this? Did he off-load his Zeros from those CVLs or are they close enough to help stop the raid? I'm thinking that there's a force of CVLs just North of Borneo, but I'm not sure and I don't have any CVs of my own in range to do anything about them. LBA are not going to work and even the dreaded 'Beests won't make it through a Zero CAP without a huge escort, which I can't provide due to the massive sweeps over Singers.

He will have a lot of LBA fighters, and that very could be what these are, or he could be LRCAPing that area with CV support...I wouldn't have any idea without being you and seeing it happen first hand. If Miri is a size 1 AF, then yes, he can have fighters there, but he wouldn't be able to fly any other type of mission from said AF.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

Which brings up another question. Once Singapore falls, Hong Kong too for that matter, should I reform any of those units destroyed? I usually reform the Canadian units at HK, but what about the two Indian Divisions? Are they worth it?

That answer depends on play style. I too would re-form the Canadians as they have pretty deep device pools and don't get a lot of use in the early years. The Indians are more problematic. You get the devices you get as the Allies. If you reform units they come with just cadre and have to fill out over time from the pools. (Look under the 'I' key or use Tracker.) You stretch the same pool farther if you rebuild. If your play style normally loses you a lot of devices in battle you might end up with more, but low-strength, units if you reform and "steal" from the pool.

Some nations get so few replacements in the pools that reforming is almost never a good idea. Some of the Dutch types are an example. The British Army gets very few infantry squads, etc. But it comes down to style and how sure you are you have enough to go around. No one can give you an answer that always works. AE is like that.

[JocMeister]

Filling out the two Indian divisions will be problematic. You simply will lack enough squads early on when the could make a difference. You could buy them out but turn off replacements until you are sure you have the infantry squads to spare.

[Paladin1dcs]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Paladin1dcs

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58




Just be careful with the Beests. If you use a drop tank you can't carry a torpedo. (That's the pre-war Beest. the later one I believe you can.) For that one model of plane the interface will let you think you loaded both, but you didn't.

The Beest without a drop tank won't get you anywhere near Miri.

As for pulling out of Singers, opinions differ. Different ways to go there. What you don't want is to put a premium LCU on ships and have them sunk on the way out. Then you lose them at Singers, the new place, everywhere. Been there.

I wasn't aware of the situation with the drop tanks, that's a good thing to know. I'm assuming that when using a drop tank, that any payload you're carrying defaults to the extended range figure?

Also, I noticed something in today's turn and I'm trying something to see what happens. Yesterday, I set a squadron of Hudsons in Rangoon to Naval Search, with part of the first arc crossing over the land near Moulmein. This turn, when I check to see what I found, it would appear that the NavSearch mission found an LCU two hexes SE of Moulmein. No details were given, other than the fact that there's a unit there and it's not mine, but this caught me off guard. Can NavSearch missions do that or did something else detect that IJA unit and, if so, what? How does detection of LCUs work anyway?

On Beests: check Page 6 of the Tech Section for a thread I started about this. I was prety peeved, but look past that to Michael's response. The answer is you have to use the Aircraft Data tab as the final answer for what the game is actually loading and flying with. Don't depend on the Torpedo Loaded line being yellow. With a drop tank I believe the Beest flies with a machine gun only. But check. Drop tanks are a problem in many models. Sometimes they're on the centerline hardpoint and displace ordnance, sometimes they're on the wings and don't (or do), etc. Sometimes different models of the same named aircraft move the drop tank. The Beest is one of these. Always use the Aircraft Data tab.

The search thing is a new one. You may have actually come up with a question that's never been asked. [:)] Section 10.1.1 of the manual discusses how detection levels change. In general land detection by air takes a Recon mission, and water detection takes a Search. I'm pretty sure that there is code to detect when a Search mission is ordered over 100% land terrain types, but I don't know if there is code to detect when some segments of a Search go over land. I suspect there is not. So, I'd believe that the enemy LCU is there. I have never seen FOW apply to the actual presence of an LCU. IOW, I have never seen phantom icons show up on land. Not saying they couldn't, but I've never seen it.

It's also possible that LCU was detected by a standard means, as described in 10.1.1. Either way, I'd believe that it's there and make plans accordingly.

I checked it again today and the LCU is still there. It's not moving, or at least there's not a movement indicator, but the unit is showing up. I'm sending a Recon flight today to check it out and try to get a better idea of what's there, but I've already got a Division of troops (1st Burma) in Moulmein and digging in, along with a couple of ENG units and a HQ unit for support. I intend to stop his advance along the rivers just north of Moulmein, but to do that I've got to slow him down at Moulmein first and I need to know just exactly where he's at to do so, hence my question about if the NavSearch would work over land.

I'm also aware that the troops I have at the start in Burma aren't worth much, which is why I'm shifting troops around to try to support that theatre. I've got the 18th British Division and an Indian Division (Not positive, but I believe it was the 12th Indian) and three Brigades in route, along with more AA units from Singapore. I realize that to hold Rangoon is going to take everything I have, but I intend to bleed the IJA here instead of in India.

[Paladin1dcs]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Filling out the two Indian divisions will be problematic. You simply will lack enough squads early on when the could make a difference. You could buy them out but turn off replacements until you are sure you have the infantry squads to spare.

That was my thought as well, but I think I'll not buy them back out until I'm ready and able to rebuild them, as I will probably need those PP's elsewhere before then.