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RE: Sturm und drang
From the colonial era graveyard at Beaufort Presbyterian Church in Beaufort, S.C.
Someone had bothered to plant the Union Jack to honor the grave of two young officers a long way from their home soil. They were killed in the Battle of Gray's Hill (Beaufort) on Feb 3, 1779. Most likely someone at the church was a loyalist.
Battle of Beaufort
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beaufort

Someone had bothered to plant the Union Jack to honor the grave of two young officers a long way from their home soil. They were killed in the Battle of Gray's Hill (Beaufort) on Feb 3, 1779. Most likely someone at the church was a loyalist.
Battle of Beaufort
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beaufort

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RE: Sturm und drang
A sublime private garden in Beaufort


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RE: Sturm und drang
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
From the colonial era graveyard at Beaufort Presbyterian Church in Beaufort, S.C.
Someone had bothered to plant the Union Jack to honor the grave of two young officers a long way from their home soil. They were killed in the Battle of Gray's Hill (Beaufort) on Feb 3, 1779. Most likely someone at the church was a loyalist.
And a well educated one too. Note the Irish Cross is missing from it.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
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RE: Sturm und drang
ORIGINAL: sprior
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
From the colonial era graveyard at Beaufort Presbyterian Church in Beaufort, S.C.
Someone had bothered to plant the Union Jack to honor the grave of two young officers a long way from their home soil. They were killed in the Battle of Gray's Hill (Beaufort) on Feb 3, 1779. Most likely someone at the church was a loyalist.
And a well educated one too. Note the Irish Cross is missing from it.
The whole graveyard was dotted with CSA flags for Confederate soldiers and Union flags for Union soldiers buried there from the occupation during the Civil War. Honestly, I didnt look to see if the Union flags were historically accurate.
I can imagine in 1779 it might have been a bit divisive to bury English dead on the church grounds when local militiamen had just been killed in the same battle but the apparent reason that English troops were sent to occupy the town was the local loyalist sentiment.
In a lot of places if you planted CSA flags like that there would be wailing and moaning but it is South Carolina. Interesting place.

RE: Sturm und drang
Damage to Vicky:


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RE: Sturm und drang
ORIGINAL: sprior
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
From the colonial era graveyard at Beaufort Presbyterian Church in Beaufort, S.C.
Someone had bothered to plant the Union Jack to honor the grave of two young officers a long way from their home soil. They were killed in the Battle of Gray's Hill (Beaufort) on Feb 3, 1779. Most likely someone at the church was a loyalist.
And a well educated one too. Note the Irish Cross is missing from it.
I genuinely don't understand this, Lord Admiral Sprior. Can you elaborate a bit?

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RE: Sturm und drang
ORIGINAL: sprior
Damage to Vicky:
53cm torpedo? She take one from a local submarine?

RE: Sturm und drang
No, torps from 2 Nells.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
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RE: Sturm und drang
Air losses:


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"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
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"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
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RE: Sturm und drang
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: sprior
And a well educated one too. Note the Irish Cross is missing from it.
I genuinely don't understand this, Lord Admiral Sprior. Can you elaborate a bit?
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Lifted from wiki:
The current and second Union Flag dates from 1 January 1801 with the Act of Union 1800, which merged the Kingdom of Ireland and the Kingdom of Great Britain to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The new design added a red saltire, the cross of Saint Patrick, for Ireland. This is counterchanged with the saltire of St Andrew, such that the white always follows the red clockwise. The arrangement has introduced a requirement to display the flag "the right way up"; see specifications for flag use, below. As with the red cross, so too the red saltire is separated by a white fimbriation from the blue field.[11] This fimbriation is repeated for symmetry on the white portion of the saltire, which thereby appears wider than the red portion. The fimbriation of the cross of St George separates its red from the red of the saltire.
Outside the Union flag, Saint Patrick's cross has seldom been used to represent Ireland, and with little popular recognition or enthusiasm; it is usually considered to derive from the arms of the powerful FitzGerald family rather than any association with the saint.[30]
The current flag's design, in use since 1801, is blazoned Azure, the Crosses Saltire of St Andrew and St Patrick, quarterly per saltire, counterchanged Argent and Gules, the latter fimbriated of the second, surmounted by the Cross of St George of the third, fimbriated as the saltire.
So, because the flag is pre-union it doesn't have the saltire cross of St Patrick.
"Grown ups are what's left when skool is finished."
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
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RE: Sturm und drang
A shrubbery!


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RE: Sturm und drang
ORIGINAL: sprior
A shrubbery!
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I refuse to belong to any universe where cats rule over dogs.
There, I've said it.

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RE: Sturm und drang
ORIGINAL: sprior
No, torps from 2 Nells.
Are you sure about that? My recollection is it was a sub.

RE: Sturm und drang
I'm sure at least 3 sub commanders, and probably a dozen Nell pilots, are claiming the hit on their combat reports back at base...ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: sprior
No, torps from 2 Nells.
Are you sure about that? My recollection is it was a sub.
Just when I get the hang of a game, I buy two more... 
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RE: Sturm und drang
A covey of cucarachas got into the growing Allied lake south of Luzon. I think it's Atago and friends in which case they will be low on ammo....but......


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RE: Sturm und drang
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: sprior
No, torps from 2 Nells.
Are you sure about that? My recollection is it was a sub.
Nells / Betties carry the 18 inch type 91 aerial torpedo. Japanese minisubs carry the 45cm type 98 torpedo. "Regular" japanese subs carry the 53cm type 95 torpedo. Of course, there may be some FOW there, who knows?

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RE: Sturm und drang
********************March 30, 1943(c)*****************
Lucena et envrions: You know that LYB taffy that was probably *#*&@* Atago? It was *#*@(@(@! Atago. First, Atago moves NW along the southern coast of Luzon, encountering the DD's which ahve been deatched for lack of ammo and are retruning to Cagayan. Jarvis gets a boo boo.
Night Time Surface Combat, near Boac at 80,80, Range 11,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CL Sendai
DD Michishio
DD Shirakumo
DD Sagiri
Allied Ships
DD Cony
DD Jarvis, Shell hits 1
DD Gridley
DD Preston
Next, one of the amphibious groups has erroneously been set on "retirement allowed" by a staff flunkie. This they do, heading SE, right into the jaws of #&@*@(!) Atago. Fortunately, Hector puts up a fight and the LYB's are low on ammo.
Night Time Surface Combat, near Boac at 80,80, Range 11,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CL Sendai
DD Michishio
DD Shirakumo
DD Sagiri
Allied Ships
AM Cessnock
SC-630
AK Leonis, Shell hits 1
xAK Knoxville City, Shell hits 1
xAK William Luckenbach, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAP Cleveland Abbe
xAP David J. Brewer
xAK Anglo Indian, Shell hits 1
xAK El Madina
xAK Itola
xAK Clan Macfadyen
xAK La Cordillera
xAK Salween
AMC Hector, Shell hits 8, on fire
Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Arashio tries to get into Lucena "harbor" from the NW.
Night Time Surface Combat, near Lucena at 79,79, Range 11,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Arashio, Shell hits 1, on fire
Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 1
DD Lansdowne
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Kortenaer
#^$&@#*@( Atago is attacked at night by Kingfishers from one of the BB's. THAT'S the spirit!
Night Air attack on TF, near Lucena at 79,80
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes
Allied aircraft
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
CA Atago
An S boat tires to line up a shot on the Atago group.
ASW attack near Lucena at 79,80
Japanese Ships
CL Sendai
DD Michishio
DD Sagiri
DD Shirakumo
Allied Ships
SS S-47, hits 4
Submarine action against retreating Arashio and the retreating Atago group 80 m to the NW at Lubang. Nobody gets really hurt but it is quite a gauntlet for any LYB's trying to gain access that way
Submarine attack near Calapan at 78,79
Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon
DD Arashio is sighted by SS Sturgeon
SS Sturgeon launches 4 torpedoes
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ASW attack near Lubang at 78,78
Japanese Ships
DD Michishio
DD Sagiri
DD Shirakumo
Allied Ships
SS KVIII, hits 1
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Submarine attack near Lubang at 78,78
Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
Allied Ships
SS KVIII
DD Arashio is sighted by SS KVIII
SS KVIII launches 2 torpedoes
Lucena et envrions: You know that LYB taffy that was probably *#*&@* Atago? It was *#*@(@(@! Atago. First, Atago moves NW along the southern coast of Luzon, encountering the DD's which ahve been deatched for lack of ammo and are retruning to Cagayan. Jarvis gets a boo boo.
Night Time Surface Combat, near Boac at 80,80, Range 11,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CL Sendai
DD Michishio
DD Shirakumo
DD Sagiri
Allied Ships
DD Cony
DD Jarvis, Shell hits 1
DD Gridley
DD Preston
Next, one of the amphibious groups has erroneously been set on "retirement allowed" by a staff flunkie. This they do, heading SE, right into the jaws of #&@*@(!) Atago. Fortunately, Hector puts up a fight and the LYB's are low on ammo.
Night Time Surface Combat, near Boac at 80,80, Range 11,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CL Sendai
DD Michishio
DD Shirakumo
DD Sagiri
Allied Ships
AM Cessnock
SC-630
AK Leonis, Shell hits 1
xAK Knoxville City, Shell hits 1
xAK William Luckenbach, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAP Cleveland Abbe
xAP David J. Brewer
xAK Anglo Indian, Shell hits 1
xAK El Madina
xAK Itola
xAK Clan Macfadyen
xAK La Cordillera
xAK Salween
AMC Hector, Shell hits 8, on fire
Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Arashio tries to get into Lucena "harbor" from the NW.
Night Time Surface Combat, near Lucena at 79,79, Range 11,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Arashio, Shell hits 1, on fire
Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 1
DD Lansdowne
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Kortenaer
#^$&@#*@( Atago is attacked at night by Kingfishers from one of the BB's. THAT'S the spirit!
Night Air attack on TF, near Lucena at 79,80
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes
Allied aircraft
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
CA Atago
An S boat tires to line up a shot on the Atago group.
ASW attack near Lucena at 79,80
Japanese Ships
CL Sendai
DD Michishio
DD Sagiri
DD Shirakumo
Allied Ships
SS S-47, hits 4
Submarine action against retreating Arashio and the retreating Atago group 80 m to the NW at Lubang. Nobody gets really hurt but it is quite a gauntlet for any LYB's trying to gain access that way
Submarine attack near Calapan at 78,79
Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon
DD Arashio is sighted by SS Sturgeon
SS Sturgeon launches 4 torpedoes
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ASW attack near Lubang at 78,78
Japanese Ships
DD Michishio
DD Sagiri
DD Shirakumo
Allied Ships
SS KVIII, hits 1
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Submarine attack near Lubang at 78,78
Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
Allied Ships
SS KVIII
DD Arashio is sighted by SS KVIII
SS KVIII launches 2 torpedoes

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RE: Sturm und drang
That was quite an epic run for Atago. The crew deserve a few days of R&R. I'm guessing they will be back.

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RE: Sturm und drang
Lucena: The airfield is level one with adequate supply and good ground support. Even so, the Corsairs need oil changes, air filter changes, new plugs, coolant changes, ash tray replacements........ We bring in some fresher P-40K's. They aren't the same thing.
Morning Air attack on Lucena , at 79,79
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 22
Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 23
F4U-1 Corsair x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed
Then some snazzy new Zeroes. How come the LYB fighter sweeps always go in BEFORE the bombers? Just asking.
Morning Air attack on Lucena , at 79,79
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 181 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 54 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 5
Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 14
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
No Allied losses
Then Oscars. The LYB fighters sweeps are even coordianted to bring in the best planes first. Out guys are getting tired.
Morning Air attack on Lucena , at 79,79
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 122 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 17
Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 13
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Morning Air attack on Lucena , at 79,79
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 22
Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 3
P-40K Warhawk x 23
F4U-1 Corsair x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed
Then some snazzy new Zeroes. How come the LYB fighter sweeps always go in BEFORE the bombers? Just asking.
Morning Air attack on Lucena , at 79,79
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 181 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 54 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 5
Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 14
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
No Allied losses
Then Oscars. The LYB fighters sweeps are even coordianted to bring in the best planes first. Out guys are getting tired.
Morning Air attack on Lucena , at 79,79
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 122 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 17
Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 13
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses




