strategy and its repercussions in the Balkans

[Extraneous]

19.3 Who can enter the minor
Your units can enter hexes controlled by a minor country if:
• you are at war with it or with the major power that controls it; or
• it is conquered by you or another active major power on your side; or
• it is aligned with any active major power on your side and the unit entering is controlled by an active major power (subject to the foreign troop commitment rules ~ see 18.2 Not co-operating); or
• it is aligned with a neutral major power on your side and the unit entering is one of that major power’s unit.

The Germany is not at war with Bulgaria.
Bulgaria has not been conquered by any Axis major power.
Bulgaria is aligned with Germany and Rumanian units entering Bulgaria are controlled by Germany and are subject to the foreign troop commitments.
The Germany is not a neutral major power.


The CW is not at war with Italy.
Greece has not been conquered by any Allied major power.
The CW and France are not neutral major powers.

Greece aligns with the CW only if France and the USSR decline to align it first. They have first choice over the CW due to distance from their capitols to Athens.

If Greece aligns with the USSR the CW would not be bound by the foreign troop commitments rule. Staying on a costal hex would keep them in supply as long as a CP, TRNS, or AMPH is in the adjacent sea zone.

Units that don’t co-operate are not otherwise limited. In particular, they can:
Enter hexes controlled by each other outside their major power home countries. You may of course only enter territory controlled by another major power on your side if that major power agrees.

If Greece aligns the CW to enter Greece in 1939 you would have to commit a HQ for CW peacekeepers. You have Gort (in the UK) and Wavell (in Egypt). Which one do you plan to send to satisfy foreign troop commitments?

The CW has:
1x MECH, 1x MOT, and 1x INF division in the UK
1x INF on any map

AfA option 10: Territorial units must be set up in their home country. When randomly choosing a territorial to be placed on a map, you must
pick a territorial that can set up on that map (e.g. Australians on the Pacific map). If you are playing with the Africa map ([/b]AfA/AsA option 1),[/b] “Europe” includes the African map.

2x TERR in Egypt (Egypt TERR (3-2) and Egypt TERR (2-4))
2x TERR in Europe (British. Somali TERR (1-2), South Africa TERR (4-3), South Africa TERR (2-4), Kenya TERR (3-3), Nigeria TERR (4-2), Nigeria TERR (2-3), Northern Ireland TERR (2-2), Northern Rhodesia TERR (2-4), Palestine TERR (4-3, Rhodesia TERR (3-4), Sierra Leone TERR (2-2), Tanganyika TERR (2-3), and Uganda TERR (2-4))
1x TERR in Asia/Pacific (Australia TERR (4-3), Australia TERR (3-4), Burma TERR (1-3), India TERR (4-2), India TERR (3-3), India TERR (2-4), India TERR (3-3), and New Zealand TERR (3-3))

CW Reserves
II INF (7-3)
XLV MIL (7-1), Delhi MIL (3-3), London MIL (5-3), Manchester MIL (4-2), Sydney MIL (6-2)


The CW needs to hold Egypt, Gibraltar, Malta, and the UK. What do you plan to leave open in 1939?

[Centuur]

How tempting it is. We are now assuming the Italian invasion on Athens have failed, thus eliminating the two Italian DIV used for that attack. We are almost at the end of the N/D 1939 turn and the CW is going to move units into Greece (Wavell comes in mind). There is only one Italian DIV remaining for use in an invasion. There is no Italian HQ in Lybia, at least one of the Lybian INF/TERR units will be on the Tunisian side of Lybia, this leaves two INF/TERR, one very slow GAR and the Gun on the Egyptian border. Put against those is Wavell, two TERR and the Sidney MIL (which has been transported there out of Australia). In Malta there is an INF and the London MIL and an INF is in Gibraltar.

So let's TRS Wavell to Athens. Gort and two INF/MOT are in France. This still gives the UK at least three nice land units (among which the MECH) to defend it with. This is enough, because the German navy is incapable of keeping a German invasion force in supply in the UK, if they succeed to invade the UK (which I don't think they will, because they have to fight first against an overwhelming Home Fleet who has air superiority over the North Sea, I'm afraid

Also, look at all those US entry die rolls taken in 1939 until now:

Germany DoW's Poland.
Germany DoW's Denmark.
Germany DoW's Netherlands
Germany aligns Hungary
Germany aligns Rumania
Germany aligns Bulgaria
Germany DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's France
Japan aligns Siam
Italy DoW's France
Japan has taken some Chinese cities (it should have)...

On the allied side:

France and the CW DoW's Germany
USSR claims Eastern Poland
USSR DoW's Rumania
Two US entry options taken (Béarn and one against the Japanese (freeze assets is possible...).

How nice it is to see the huge number of 12 more US entry die rolls in 1939 against the axis compared with 5 in favour of the Axis... I think we are looking at the US green monster entering end 1940...

[Extraneous]

We are now assuming the Italian invasion on Athens have failed, thus eliminating the two Italian DIV used for that attack.

No the premise has always been the invasion would take place if Athens is unoccupied.

We are almost at the end of the N/D 1939 turn and the CW is going to move units into Greece (Wavell comes in mind).

There is only one Italian DIV remaining for use in an invasion.

There is no Italian HQ in Lybia, at least one of the Lybian INF/TERR units will be on the Tunisian side of Lybia, this leaves two INF/TERR, one very slow GAR and the Gun on the Egyptian border. Put against those is Wavell, two TERR and the Sidney MIL (which has been transported there out of Australia). In Malta there is an INF and the London MIL and an INF is in Gibraltar.

There are also 2x (2-3) INF divisions at sea. Nothing says I have to invade just because I am at sea.

Also, look at all those US entry die rolls taken in 1939 until now:

Germany DoW's Poland.
Germany DoW's Denmark.
Germany DoW's Netherlands
Germany aligns Hungary
Germany aligns Rumania
Germany aligns Bulgaria
Germany DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's France
Japan aligns Siam
Italy DoW's France
Japan has taken some Chinese cities (it should have)...

On the allied side:

France and the CW DoW's Germany
USSR claims Eastern Poland
USSR DoW's Rumania
Two US entry options taken (Béarn and one against the Japanese (freeze assets is possible...).

And what are the percentages for the US entry die rolls?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Minor countries can always be occupied by units on the same side without regard to Foreign Troop Commitment limits. It is when entering the home countries of major powers that FTC limits apply.

FTC limits is also the name ADG uses when discussing the requirement for minor countries to keep some of the units in their home country. IMO a better label for this would have been Homeland Troop Requirements, so the two rules wouldn't be so easily confused.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Centuur

How tempting it is. We are now assuming the Italian invasion on Athens have failed, thus eliminating the two Italian DIV used for that attack. We are almost at the end of the N/D 1939 turn and the CW is going to move units into Greece (Wavell comes in mind). There is only one Italian DIV remaining for use in an invasion. There is no Italian HQ in Lybia, at least one of the Lybian INF/TERR units will be on the Tunisian side of Lybia, this leaves two INF/TERR, one very slow GAR and the Gun on the Egyptian border. Put against those is Wavell, two TERR and the Sidney MIL (which has been transported there out of Australia). In Malta there is an INF and the London MIL and an INF is in Gibraltar.

So let's TRS Wavell to Athens. Gort and two INF/MOT are in France. This still gives the UK at least three nice land units (among which the MECH) to defend it with. This is enough, because the German navy is incapable of keeping a German invasion force in supply in the UK, if they succeed to invade the UK (which I don't think they will, because they have to fight first against an overwhelming Home Fleet who has air superiority over the North Sea, I'm afraid

Also, look at all those US entry die rolls taken in 1939 until now:

Germany DoW's Poland.
Germany DoW's Denmark.
Germany DoW's Netherlands
Germany aligns Hungary
Germany aligns Rumania
Germany aligns Bulgaria
Germany DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's Greece
Italy DoW's France
Japan aligns Siam
Italy DoW's France
Japan has taken some Chinese cities (it should have)...

On the allied side:

France and the CW DoW's Germany
USSR claims Eastern Poland
USSR DoW's Rumania
Two US entry options taken (Béarn and one against the Japanese (freeze assets is possible...).

How nice it is to see the huge number of 12 more US entry die rolls in 1939 against the axis compared with 5 in favour of the Axis... I think we are looking at the US green monster entering end 1940...

You have Italy DOW France twice in that list. And why would Japan align Siam during 1939?

The Axis actions you listed (Siam and 2nd DOW on France removed) is around 5 entry chits added. Maybe someone can do the math? And the three Allied actions is 3 to 4 chits removed (US entry options removed since tension is needed anyway). I see no early US entry here.


Germany DoW's Poland. -12
Germany DoW's Denmark. -3
Germany DoW's Netherlands. -3
Germany aligns Hungary. -3
Germany aligns Rumania. -3
Germany aligns Bulgaria. -3
Germany DoW's Greece. -3
Italy DoW's Greece. -3
Italy DoW's France. -7
Japan has taken some Chinese cities. -4 (x2)
On the allied side:

France and the CW DoW's Germany. -9
USSR claims Eastern Poland. -7
USSR DoW's Rumania. -18

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Since part of this discussion was about invasions, I thought this page from the Picture and Text tutorials might be of interest.

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Minor countries can always be occupied by units on the same side without regard to Foreign Troop Commitment limits. It is when entering the home countries of major powers that FTC limits apply.

FTC limits is also the name ADG uses when discussing the requirement for minor countries to keep some of the units in their home country. IMO a better label for this would have been Homeland Troop Requirements, so the two rules wouldn't be so easily confused.

Yes, when they are at war but in this instance the CW is at peace with Italy and sending peacekeepers.

I would agree that we have gone off topic quite a bit but I'm flexible and it keeps some posts going here in the forums.

ORIGINAL: Orm

You have Italy DOW France twice in that list. And why would Japan align Siam during 1939?

The Axis actions you listed (Siam and 2nd DOW on France removed) is around 5 entry chits added. Maybe someone can do the math? And the three Allied actions is 3 to 4 chits removed (US entry options removed since tension is needed anyway). I see no early US entry here.


Germany DoW's Poland. -12
Germany DoW's Denmark. -3
Germany DoW's Netherlands. -3
Germany aligns Hungary. -3
Germany aligns Rumania. -3
Germany aligns Bulgaria. -3
Germany DoW's Greece. -3
Italy DoW's Greece. -3
Italy DoW's France. -7
Japan has taken some Chinese cities. -4 (x2)
On the allied side:

France and the CW DoW's Germany. -9
USSR claims Eastern Poland. -7
USSR DoW's Rumania. -18

I agree with Orm (thanks for the die rolls).

It seams like several low percentage rolls with two high ones for the Axis.

While the Allies have the burden of the consequations of their actions.

Why does Germany need to DoW the Netherlands so early?

Why didn't the USSR claim the Baltic States for the CP's and the buffer with Germany?

[Centuur]

@ ORM: you are quite right. I should have written: Italy DoW's CW (seperately from France) instead. Siam might be necessary if the CW puts the spare INF (or gets the Burmese TERR) it has at set-up within range of Bangkok, thus threathening to DoW Siam if the Japanese don't align it in S/O 1939. And there is something else to consider to: in 1939 the chance of drawing high numbered US entry chits is larger than in 1940. So US entry goes faster in 1939...

@ Extranous: to get as soon as possible the right positions on France and Belgium, it is wise for Germay to take out the Netherlands in the first or the second turn of the game. Personally, I would try to kill Belgium too as Germany in 1939, if weather is good enough. I don't want to waste time crushing those countries in 1940, since I'm in a hurry as the Axis. France needs to be killed as soon as possible...

And the Baltic states, well I would love as the USSR to see the German's DoW'ing them:

From RAW:
If a German controlled unit enters any hex in Estonia, Latvia,
Lithuania (...) or declares war on any of these countries, then the
Soviet player can break the Nazi-Soviet pact during any Allied
declaration of war step. Setting up the Baltic States’ convs is not
considered entering a hex in these countries.

I think I would DoW Germany if Germany DoW's any of the Baltics. The USSR gets it reserves out and the MIL becomes available and France is still in the game. How nice it is to get a two front war started in januari 1940. And I don't have to send the Germans any more oil. Bombs away on Ploesti again! How nice! Yes, the US might not like this (3 or 4 chits removed), however if the USSR gets in the European war early, this really makes things interesting for the allies. The Western front needs to be stripped of German units and France might survive...

Also: if the USSR occupies the Baltic states, they don't get any convoys out of those countries. So it is wise to wait to see what happens. Perhaps the CW and France needs good US entry for DoW'ing Italy in 1939.
Eastern Poland is mandatory to do with the USSR, as is the claim on Bessarabia, but the Baltics and Finland can wait until 1940.

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Extranous: to get as soon as possible the right positions on France and Belgium, it is wise for Germany to take out the Netherlands in the first or the second turn of the game. Personally, I would try to kill Belgium too as Germany in 1939, if weather is good enough. I don't want to waste time crushing those countries in 1940, since I'm in a hurry as the Axis. France needs to be killed as soon as possible...

I was just wondering.

Also: if the USSR occupies the Baltic States, they don't get any convoys out of those countries. So it is wise to wait to see what happens. Perhaps the CW and France needs good US entry for DoW'ing Italy in 1939.

19.4 Minor country units
Setting up
When a minor country aligns with you, set up its initial units immediately. You must set up in hexes controlled by that minor. At least half a minor country’s initial units must set up in its home country. Set up each of the minor’s land and aircraft units that has an earlier year on its back. If it has the current year or ‘Res’, put it on the production circle to arrive as a reinforcement in the next turn (PiF Option 28: along with its pilot).

If you are playing with Ships in Flames, you don’t set up their TRS from that kit. You don’t set up any units from Planes in Flames or Mech in Flames. You do set up units from all other kits. You only set up units from America in Flames or Patton in Flames if playing those games. In all cases, you can add these units to your force pools ~ see Production below).

Set up on the map each of the minor’s naval units that has a date on its back that is at least 2 years earlier except those sunk prior to the start of the scenario. For example, in the Global War campaign, if your opponent declares war on Spain in 1940, you would set up all the Spanish ships that have 1938 or earlier on the back of their counter except for the España.

If the date is 1 year earlier, put the unit into the construction pool. If it is the current year, the units are not yet set-up (see Production below). Set up this many convoy points (use the controlling major power’s convoy points):

Estonia 1 CP
Latvia 1 CP

19.5.2 Baltic States
The USSR can exercise its Nazi-Soviet Pact rights to occupy the Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia) during any Allied land movement step after it has exercised its rights to eastern Poland. You can only exercise your rights over those states that are neutral.

You exercise those rights by moving a land unit into any hex of the Baltic States.

Once you exercise those rights, the Baltic States are considered immediately conquered by the Soviet Union (without the Baltic States being aligned or its units set up).

You got the CP's in ADG's WiF the computer game

And the Baltic states, well I would love as the USSR to see the German's DoW'ing them:

I think I would DoW Germany if Germany DoW's any of the Baltics. The USSR gets it reserves out and the MIL becomes available and France is still in the game. How nice it is to get a two front war started in januari 1940. And I don't have to send the Germans any more oil. Bombs away on Ploesti again! How nice! Yes, the US might not like this (3 or 4 chits removed), however if the USSR gets in the European war early, this really makes things interesting for the allies. The Western front needs to be stripped of German units and France might survive...

29. The USSR declares war on Germany or Italy or both (Ge/It) (3 USA entry chits and a 50% chance of another will be removed from the USA (Ge/It) entry pool).
If the USSR doesn't declare war on both Germany and Italy in the same impulse this done separately for both Germany and Italy.

Don't forget the USSR's other front.

9. Japan declares war on USSR (There is a 50% chance a USA entry chit will be added to the USA (Ja) entry pool)

At the end of each turn the USA draws:
1939 Sept/Oct 1x US entry chit
1939 Nov/Dec 1x US entry chit
1940 Jan/Feb 1x US entry chit

Japan has taken some Chinese cities. -4 (x2)
(1 chits at start up, 2x 0.4) or 1 + (2x 0.4) = 1.8 chits

Germany DoW's Poland. -12
Germany DoW's Denmark. -3
Germany DoW's Netherlands. -3
Germany aligns Hungary. -3
Germany aligns Rumania. -3
Germany aligns Bulgaria. -3
Germany DoW's Greece. -3
Italy DoW's Greece. -3
Italy DoW's France. -7


(2 chits at start up, 1x 12, 7x 3, 1x 7) or 2 + 1.2 + 2.1 + 0.7 = 6 chits

On the allied side:
France and the CW DoW's Germany. -9
USSR claims Eastern Poland. -7
USSR DoW's Rumania. -18

0.9 + 0.7 + 0.8 = 2.4 chits

The USSR declares war on Germany or Italy or both 2.4 + 3.5 = 5.9 chits

Now there is a high-risk USSR option -5.9 US Entry Chits in 1940 and your production is 0.5 or 15 BP saving 1x oil.

Europe
Timoshenko (HQ-I)
1x MECH
2x INF
3x INF division
2x GARR
1x CAV
1x FTR 2
2x LND 3
1x LND 4
4x Pilots

Asia/Pacific
Zhukov (HQ-A)
3x INF
1x CAV
1x CAV division
1x FTR 2
1x LND 3

Any maps
1x ENG division
2x Pilots
3x oil

Reserves
3rd CAV (2-4)
1st Siberian INF (7-4)
22nd INF (4-3)
Vladivostok MIL (3-2)
Kuybyshev MIL (3-2)

And whatever you built in previous turns at 8 BP in 1939 and 11 BP in 1940.

[paulderynck]

USSR cannot DoW Germany if Germany pays attention to the garrison value needed, and is crazy not to.

USSR is crazy to DoW Italy at this point in the war.

[Extraneous]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

USSR cannot DoW Germany if Germany pays attention to the garrison value needed, and is crazy not to.

USSR is crazy to DoW Italy at this point in the war.

If Germany was to DoW any of the Baltic States and enters one this breaks the 19.5 The Nazi-Soviet pact and then the USSR could DoW Germany.

If the USSR DoW's Finland and doesn't claim the Baltic States:

Germany will align Finland
Germany and Finland co-operate.
German AMPH's could be used to invade the Baltic States with Finnish units and the 19.5 The Nazi-Soviet pact and then the USSR would remain intact.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

If the USSR DoW's Finland and doesn't claim the Baltic States:

Germany will align Finland
Germany and Finland co-operate.
German AMPH's could be used to invade the Baltic States with Finnish units and the 19.5 The Nazi-Soviet pact and then the USSR would remain intact.

No, the Pact would be violated because only major powers can DoW (would have to be Germany in your example) and if Russia hasn't taken the Baltic States, they need to be DoW'd before they can be entered.

[brian brian]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Minor countries can always be occupied by units on the same side without regard to Foreign Troop Commitment limits. It is when entering the home countries of major powers that FTC limits apply.

FTC limits is also the name ADG uses when discussing the requirement for minor countries to keep some of the units in their home country. IMO a better label for this would have been Homeland Troop Requirements, so the two rules wouldn't be so easily confused.

a) Aligned minor country units on the same side can not enter other minor countries also aligned to the same side, without meeting Foreign Troop Commitment Limits. This was recently possibly loosened for TERRitorial units I believe, but I haven't been sure if that would be true in MWiF. (Sounds like a thorny thing to program separately). I think that was a new optional in the last Annual?

So Rumanians can not invade Greece via Bulgaria unless the Antonescu HQ is around, and then one Rumanian unit could enter Bulgaria with it. As that HQ is a 1940 unit, it would not appear in a Rumania aligned in Nov/Dec 39; it could be built in J/F 40 and appear in Jul/Aug 40 to begin the march south. If Rumania is aligned in 1940, it appears as a reinforcement the turn after alignment. If the Axis went to war with Yugoslavia, the Rumanians could walk through Yugo to attack Greece.

I would like to know if I have any part of a) or b) wrong?.

b) I understand the Unlimited Breakdown rule. I personally don't think it will change very many things in the game. I foresee using it to get 2 extra Cav divisions for the Chinese, and one for the Japanese, and having a lot of fun with both sides. But I don't think the rule would or should accelerate the years that a given division appears in a Major Power Force Pool.

Without such an acceleration, Italy can field one 2 factor infantry division until 1941 (when they get a 2-3 Infantry division courtesy of the Mech in Flames counter sheet I think) - the Alpini mountain division. It could break down the MTN corps and then build a second mountain division I guess, presuming the "unlimited" divisions are all the same. ? I've never been sure how the Unlimited Breakdown rule would interact with straight building divisions. ?

Italy's maximum invasion in 6 factors where their air force can reach, but they need 3 divisions landing to get 6 factors. Until perhaps a second Alpini division is built, and/or any Italian Marines appear on the board. One of Italy's best options is to land a force somewhere on their surprise impulse....there are several possibilities to pick from.


c) Nov/Dec 1939 is the single worst turn in the game for the Axis to do something that generates a US Entry chit. Whatever that may be had better achieve big results that are worth more than getting it done a turn later in Jan/Feb 1940, which you might exchange for the US entering a whole turn or two earlier. If that happens, the Axis will greatly regret their decision in 1945. There are exceptions of course - I'd take Gibraltar on Nov/Dec 39 if I had some crazy chance to do it. Walking a couple hex rows into Greece is definitely not worth it. With bad weather through the winter, giving the Allies USE chits on the second turn is just not a good idea.

Siam - As Japan I would let the Allies have it. Maybe their -5 roll will take a "5" USE Chit out of the US Pool. They can't hold Bangkok any more than they can hold anything else in SE Asia. And the Japanese can just liberate the place later. A conquered Siam might slow down a drive on the Burma oil resource by a turn or two, but I would trade that for a chance at keeping the Yankees more neutral. The date of US Entry determines Japan's fate to a huge degree, and all the rest of the goodies in the Malay pensinula are at the southern end of it.

All of this stuff is magnified in MWiF, where the USE chits drawn could be several more 4 or 5 chits than in WiF:FE.

[brian brian]

I do like the image of the Finns moving into Estonia to protect it from the Russians though. Wish that could work somehow. Instead I have heard of Germans bringing Finns to Germany to get some help in attacking France in the winter. Never seen that myself. Decisions in Finland are fascinating too but deserve a separate thread.


I see where Steve's post came from - the idea that the CW would need an HQ in Greece. The CW can land units in an aligned Greece even if they are not at war with Italy. I was posting more about how difficult it would be to use the Axis countries in the Balkans to attack Greece with....nearly impossible really. Until Adolf sends troops at least.

I would never send Wavell to Greece though - he leaves for France immediately, and the Aussies take over the defense of Egypt.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

a) Aligned minor country units on the same side can not enter other minor countries also aligned to the same side, without meeting Foreign Troop Commitment Limits. This was recently possibly loosened for TERRitorial units I believe, but I haven't been sure if that would be true in MWiF. (Sounds like a thorny thing to program separately). I think that was a new optional in the last Annual?

So Rumanians can not invade Greece via Bulgaria unless the Antonescu HQ is around, and then one Rumanian unit could enter Bulgaria with it. As that HQ is a 1940 unit, it would not appear in a Rumania aligned in Nov/Dec 39; it could be built in J/F 40 and appear in Jul/Aug 40 to begin the march south. If Rumania is aligned in 1940, it appears as a reinforcement the turn after alignment. If the Axis went to war with Yugoslavia, the Rumanians could walk through Yugo to attack Greece.

You're right of course, Brian. I had in mind units belonging to major powers. For instance, French units can enter Belgium without regard to FTC limits, even though the latter is aligned to the Commonwealth.

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My fault I was mixing up examples and rules (from memory).

19.5.3 Breaking the Nazi-Soviet pact
If a German controlled unit enters any hex in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania or Turkey or declares war on any of these countries, then the Soviet player can break the Nazi-Soviet pact during any Allied declaration of war step. Setting up the Baltic States’ convs is not considered entering a hex in these countries.

If a Soviet controlled unit enters any hex in Denmark, Greece, Hungary, Norway, Sweden or Yugoslavia, then the German player can break the Nazi-Soviet pact during any Axis declaration of war step.

Once broken, there is no longer a neutrality pact (see 9.5), nor a trade agreement (see 5.1), between Germany and the USSR.

Example: The USSR declares war on Finland in 1939 while Germany and the USSR are not at war. Finland becomes controlled by Germany. During the war, Finland takes Murmansk and conquers a Russian controlled Estonia. In 1941, Germany declares war on the USSR. Murmansk and Estonia immediately become German (rather than Finnish) controlled.

Since in this case Foreign Troop Commitments only take effect if Rumanian units stop in Bulgaria.

When Germany DoW's Greece and Bulgaria has been aligned it has 2 units.

II INF (3-3)
Sofia MIL (2-3) (reserve)

So one of them can leave the country into Greece and take Salonica.

Then in the next impulse the Bulgarians can move out of Salonica and the Rumanians can rail in.

[:D] Remember the title of the thread is "strategy and its repercussions in the Balkans". I consider most of the thread is dealing with "repercussions". So were still on topic [:D]

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Or since in this case Foreign Troop Commitments only take effect if Rumanian units stop in Bulgaria.

When Germany DoW's Greece and Bulgaria has been aligned it has 2 units.

II INF (3-3)
Sofia MIL (2-3) (reserve)

The Bulgarian unit moves from the mountains, to the forest, to Salonica, and back into the forest.

Then the Rumanian Alp MTN (4-3) and I INF (4-3) (or the you could use the German MTN if you don't think you need it in France) can rail into Salonica in the same turn.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous


Then the Rumanian Alp MTN (4-3) and I INF (4-3) (or the you could use the German MTN if you don't think you need it in France) can rail into Salonica in the same turn.

Not if the turn ends before you get one more impulse. And you'll need two rail moves (Rumanian in, Bulgarian out, or all 3 rail moves to put two Rumanians there) to do it, unless you want to wait two more impulses (one of which will be with Salonica empty for the intervening Allied impulse).

I'd rather be using my precious rail moves to get the slowest units that conquered Poland over to the French border.

Besides all this, what happened with Bessarabia? The only way you can align both Rumania and Bulgaria at this point in the game is if Germany controls Belgrade, or Germany enforces a Peace after the USSR DoWs Rumania.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Or since in this case Foreign Troop Commitments only take effect if Rumanian units stop in Bulgaria.

For the boardgame, it has been clarified that for land movement you cannot even enter a hex that needs FTC without having FTC. Rail moves and air missions etc. that don't end the step there are OK without FTC, but land moves cannot even enter, let alone move through. (FAQ 18.2-11)

I cannot recall if MWiF enforces this clarification.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Or since in this case Foreign Troop Commitments only take effect if Rumanian units stop in Bulgaria.

For the boardgame, it has been clarified that for land movement you cannot even enter a hex that needs FTC without having FTC. Rail moves and air missions etc. that don't end the step there are OK without FTC, but land moves cannot even enter, let alone move through. (FAQ 18.2-11)

I cannot recall if MWiF enforces this clarification.

MWIF enforces the land movement restriction hex by hex when a unit moves. Air missions can fly over but not stop. This also applies to 'FTC" for air units leaving their home country.

I am not sure about rail movement, without looking at the code. My guess is that it is enforced hex by hex.