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Is it really a pony that you want or would you settle for a mature riding horse? I have a neighbor who is trying to unload hers. He's a nice looking white horse, so you could be the white knight on his trusty steed for GOTP (did I get that acronym right?). [;)]

I weigh over 300 in my socks, so, animal abuse? [:)]

GOTP is six feet tall and not at all overweight. (Oh my, no!) She had about six ponies/horses growing up on the farm at various times. I know one would meet her at the school bus way off yonder and she would ride bareback home to the farm. Just like my youth in the suburbs! Not.

When we retire she wants a draft horse for a pet. She's already decided to call her "Sally."
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Regarding manpower bombings.

I see no reason for either side to abstain from manpower bombings, but I believe that "where this takes place" is extremely important. While targeting your enemy's "home" cities in manpower raids is a legitimate war aim, I do find it rather hard to argue in favor of bombing your ally’s' home cities in manpower raids. After all, you are not targeting enemy civilians, but allied civilians. It's going to be awfully hard to win a war that way and if you do - what spoils are left to the victor? To me, manpower raids targeting allied or non-aligned cities should entail some sort of PP penalty, because there would be political hell to pay at home and abroad for pursuing this strategy.

Interesting to discuss and caused me to read up a little as a reminder on the actual bombing strategies used by the US and the Allies in both the European and Pacific Theaters. The US started out with precision, daylight strategic bombings in 1943 in Europe and by the end of 1944, began to plan and execute "manpower/morale" raids in addition to precision, strategic raids. In the Pacific, we started off with daylight, precision strategic raids and within 3 or 4 months had transitioned to primarily "manpower", low level nighttime raids over the Japanese home islands which of course culminated with the dropping of the atomic bombs to end the war.
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Don't scouts still make illegal slingshots?
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Regarding manpower bombings.

I see no reason for either side to abstain from manpower bombings, but I believe that "where this takes place" is extremely important. While targeting your enemy's "home" cities in manpower raids is a legitimate war aim, I do find it rather hard to argue in favor of bombing your ally’s' home cities in manpower raids. After all, you are not targeting enemy civilians, but allied civilians. It's going to be awfully hard to win a war that way and if you do - what spoils are left to the victor? To me, manpower raids targeting allied or non-aligned cities should entail some sort of PP penalty, because there would be political hell to pay at home and abroad for pursuing this strategy.

Interesting to discuss and caused me to read up a little as a reminder on the actual bombing strategies used by the US and the Allies in both the European and Pacific Theaters. The US started out with precision, daylight strategic bombings in 1943 in Europe and by the end of 1944, began to plan and execute "manpower/morale" raids in addition to precision, strategic raids. In the Pacific, we started off with daylight, precision strategic raids and within 3 or 4 months had transitioned to primarily "manpower", low level nighttime raids over the Japanese home islands which of course culminated with the dropping of the atomic bombs to end the war.

If there were a comprehensive political underbelly to the game I'd be all for that. There isn't. The code makes Manpower the only way to start fires, even though what I'm after is HI/LI/Refineries. Same bombs (no incendiaries in the game's DB), different results. Bombing HI/LI at night gets you nothing. So I do what gets me something. I figure if he can intercept my night bomebrs with Nates (imaginary) I can bomb (imaginary) civilians.

As far as strategic bombing in Europe, don't stop with the US. Start with the Brits in 1940. They had some other ideas.
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To me, manpower raids targeting allied or non-aligned cities should entail some sort of PP penalty, because there would be political hell to pay at home and abroad for pursuing this strategy.
I'll agree that such raids could be politically damaging. In the ETO, some attention was paid to this potential problem, such as in the run-up to D-day, when raids against French rail-yards were increased, risking French civilian casualties, given the fact that 'daylight precision bombing' wasn't strong on 'precision'.
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May 2, 1942

The First Night After The Talking

So, after a flurry of email, we continue. I altered a few things, he did too. Which is what I'm after. I don't want to be predictable.

We also agreed to update to the April 1, 2013 beta after I watch this movie. May 3 will be with the beta. This is one behind the latest, so it does not address the torpedo inventory issue.

1) Showing once again that night bombing is no panacea (I won't show this again; I think the point is made):

AIR NIGHT STRIKES
3 x 3-Vl.G.III B-25C Mitchell stray due to night
8 x No.215 Sqn RAF Wellington Ic stray due to night
6 x 22nd BG/2nd BS B-26 Marauder stray due to night
6 x 7th BG/436th BS LB-30 Liberator stray due to night
3 x 7th BG/HqS LB-30 Liberator stray due to night

2) Strike on Shaoyang hits nothing. Night bombing of Djambio oil hits nothing. Night bombing Singers meets 17 angry Oscars, hits nothing, 2 B-25C damaged. Night bombing Kweilin hits something: 22 hits for 13888 fires. Ouch. Another Djambi oil: nothing. Another Singers: 13 angry Oscars, 1 Oscar downed, 2 Liberators damaged, no damage. End of night bombing. We will contiue to play with the variables.

3) The MKB hangs around Pt. Blair causeing all sorts of trouble again. Combined with LBA Pt. Blair dogfights are 5:2 against for the Allies. Prome is even in the morning, then intense ini the PM. I imagine there is an attack coming at Prome sooner or later; it's on the "wrong" side of the river for me. Sabang gets a lot of attention; a couple of Hudsons are damaged. I don't know if Sabang is a feint or normal landing prep. The CAP at Chungking is whacked again, biplanes falling like flies. Kicking kittens. I've got nowhere better to put them, and they do shoot down an Oscar. Palembang gets light bombing; Forts 5 to 50%.

The 2-stack in the jungle south of Chiang Mai is seen and bombed twice by Nells. No damage at all to the infantry, but he knows they're there, which is good.
The hapless Idas are thrown at Toungoo with escorts. Just infantry organic flak, no AA LCU, and 2 fall with 3 damaged. Not a good life insurance risk, Ida duty.

The MKB hits ships unloading at Ramree. Two xAKs are hit by bombs, one sinks. At Pt. Blair another xAK is torpedoed by Kates and sinks.

Seriously, paging through the combat reports there are about 40 air strikes today. Like a spasm of Japanese flying. I think everything that could fly did, except Mavises. It's annoying to watch a replay for twenty minutes with nothing but Japanese dominance over 2 or 3 Allied fighters, but what I really care about is marching troops, and they were left completely alone. A lot of metal is coming to Prome and Bassein if time is granted. Everybody on the Burma coast is well-supplied. I can pull back the ships deeper toward Calcutta and be fine for weeks.

Wondering what's coming for Sumatra though.
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Talking of white horses...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYzVMcgWhg
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May 3, 1942

Operation SWEET POLLY Begins

1) Sweet Polly Purebred, Underdog's girlfriend, is the inspiration for the operation to reclaim Palmyra Island.



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The evolution will be straight-forward. Four USN CVs left Pearl today, slighty over-loaded with fighters at the expense of now-obsolete TBs. Palmyra has been seen taking on both fighters and bombers, and recons as having both, plus a few Auxiliaries. Currently there is a TF there which shows as only a CVE and an APD. That is not what it is of course, but I think it is reasonable it has carriers. If it's the KB there will be a fight. If it is he's sending his best force to nowheresville, however. I suspect he's thinking of upgrading in the HI pretty soon and then sending the KB to Asia to accelerate the taking of needed territory. It's a waste watching Hawaii at this point. It's more likely the KB is in the HI or headed there.

Palmyra has mines, so a 3-DMS force will follow the carriers by a day. A bombardment force of two old BBs, a CL, and DDs will follow. (The rest of the BBs are with the CVs, trading speed for AA. I'm low on CAs due ot upgrades and ships sent to CT.) A day or two after that the first wave landing force, heavy APs (not xAPs) with two Marine Raider units and a combat engineer. I suspect Palmyra has only base forces plus maybe a Naval Guard unit. If it has more a second wave will trail in xAPs. This is an independant infantry regiment. There is a Fast Transport TF of APDs with 1200 supply, and a heavier xAK TF with only supply which will go with the first wave. No base forces are being sent with the landing forces. Once Palmyra is secure I will either send one, or transfer the small units already in the area (Penhryn I. and the other one I can't recall now.)

I suspect the base has Bettys/Nells. I hope it doesn't have a torpedo HQ, but it might if its purpose was to interdict Oz-bound convoys.

2) Fun and games in the air today. Batavia AF is night-bombed. No damage to field or aircraft and three Bettys are damaged, but the point is taken. Well done, Japan!

The Allies night hit Makassar and Rangoon for no damage. Day Manpower bombing at Hengyang for 5 Hits and 1370 Fires. Oil bomb Djambi (no hits) and Samarinda (2 hits.) Hit the port at just-taken Aitape, but find no ships.

3) Japan is much busier. The MKB is slightly north of Rangoon sniping at Akyab and Ramree. Many LBA attacks and sweeps all over the region. Prome is swept (3 Oscars lost, 1 P-40), Sabang is heavily swept and bombed by 53 multi-engine, although there is no air activity there but damaged Hudsons, Chungking is swept, but the CAP has been mostly moved or withdrawn, the Chinese south of Chiang Mai are heavy-bombed twice. They are ordered to attack across the river; the last read on CM shows no AFVs and only enough troops to support an AF.

Japan also hits Pt. Blair heavily, perhaps to supress so it can't escort TBs on the MKB as anything else. Losses are even at 3 each. A later raid gets a Beest on the gorund and downs two Sallys. A sub comes in and sinks an HDML. All of the merchants have been sent elsewhere. The same at Ramree.

The MKB uses Vals for the first time to hit targets ashore at or near Ramree. Three are lost for no Allied fighters. This TF should be getting a bit low on sorties; the RN carriers are hunting them from the west, but do not make contact. Hoping their TBs can get through and send this TF back to Singers. Maybe if they do the RN's steel decks will keep the damage low. I don't want the Bay of B. to be a Japanese lake; I need to keep Pt. Blair viable. Force Z is in position to hit any Sabang landing, although its fuel situaiton is not optimal.

4) A single Allied DD bombards Padang on Sumatra's west coast. It is empty. The offshore island taken last week is as well. I may have to scare up something to sit on Padang to at least close the door from a walk in.

5) Some armor has arrived at Prome and been sent on to Bassein. More is coming. The Chinese corps at Bassein unpacked rapidly, and a good thing. Also it's good that river is there:

Ground combat at Bassein (54,52)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 13190 troops, 122 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 561

Defending force 9994 troops, 40 guns, 20 vehicles, Assault Value = 373

Japanese adjusted assault: 141

Allied adjusted defense: 202

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

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Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
397 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
6th Guards Division


Defending units:
43rd Cavalry Regiment
RM Viper Force
60th Chinese Corps
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Sweet Polly Purebred, Underdog's girlfriend, is the inspiration for the operation to reclaim Palmyra Island.

The secret compartment of my ring I fill,
With an Underdog Super Energy Pill!

This operation won't be over until it is really over!
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Sweet Polly Purebred, Underdog's girlfriend, is the inspiration for the operation to reclaim Palmyra Island.

The secret compartment of my ring I fill,
With an Underdog Super Energy Pill!

This operation won't be over until it is really over!

A great Sweet Polly montage! Thanks.

Of course, today the pill would be blue and have a 'V' on it. [8D]
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May 4, 1942

"General Quarters! General Quarters!




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May 4, 1942

"Scratch One Flattop!

A wild day at sea. No activity ashore at all.

1) In the Bay of Bengal RN command yesterday, with a solid fix on a carrier TF of changing composition, ordered the three RN carriers, very low on fuel, to head NE on a course calculated to cross the enemy if they struck Akyab/Chittagong, and retreated on a course to stay outside TB range from Pt. Blair. Both Beests and Fish live there with a torpedo HQ and Japan has seen TBs in ground AF strikes. A small surface TF is ordered to meet and merge with the carriers to up the AA and provide some fuel sharing. Of import, the RN steers the TF across a chord of the LRCAP circle for drop-tanked Hurricanes at Pt. Blair. The enemy has read as all CVEs, CVEs plus CVL, and now CV, CVL, and CVE, plus at least one BB and two CAs. Vals and Kates both have been seen. And whatever it is it has more fighters than the RN motley crew of pick-up CVs, which includes HMS Hermes, hardly a carrier at all.

The course is perfect, as shown by the screen shot in the post above. Looks good, accomplishes nothing. The TFs disengage at 25,000 yards and avoid conflict. But the IJN reacts away in exactly the wrong direction, right into Pt. Blair TB range with the RN at three hexes to the NW. A perfect hammer and anvil, completely by accident.

The Japanese react more quickly and get off the first stirke. It is weak. That is good. The FAA fighter jocks are gooder.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 43,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 95 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
B5N2 Kate x 4
D3A1 Val x 3

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 7
Martlet II x 17
Hurricane IIb Trop x 1 (Pt. Blair's contribution)

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Formidable

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

The Royal Navy responds, and cuts deep:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 43,55

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9 (CAP weak)
Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 20 (tight, coordinated strike)
Fulmar II x 9
Sea Hurricane Ib x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 5 damaged
Albacore I: 1 destroyed by flak
Fulmar II: 2 damaged
Fulmar II: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano
CVE Unyo, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
CA Mikuma, Torpedo hits 1
CVL Zuiho
CV Junyo
BB Nagato

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Fulmar II bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
3 x Albacore I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
6 x Albacore I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
9 x Albacore I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo

CAP engaged:
Zuiho-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
Unyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
Junyo-1 with A6M2 Zero (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers

Ammo storage explosion on CVE Unyo


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In the afternoon phase the Japanese do it again:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 43,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
B5N2 Kate x 10
D3A1 Val x 2

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 6
Martlet II x 5
(11 on 14, but the long warning time lets the FAA figthers burn through at long range and get at the spear-chuckers. The Kates are heavily disrupted.)

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane Ib: 1 destroyed
Martlet II: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Formidable, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CVL Hermes
CV Indomitable

HMS Formidible gets a fuel explosion text, but no counter-flooding. Her three squadrons divert to Pt. Blair. This is good and bad. Good in that the base has torpedoes and should get a kick at the Japanese on the retreat if detection is maintained. Bad in that the Pt. Blair CAP can't protect them on the ground. May have to shutle them through Burma to Calcutta or something. But for tomorrow they eat at Pt. Blair.

The Royal Navy rebuts and brings the day to a close in the Bay:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 43,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7

Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 17 (another tight, cohesive stirke between aircraft with big speed differences. Well done!)
Fulmar II x 6
Sea Hurricane Ib x 7
Martlet II x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Albacore I: 1 destroyed by flak
Fulmar II: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
BB Nagato, Torpedo hits 1 (belt penetration noted)
CA Mikuma
CV Junyo
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The Beests and Fish at Pt. Blair both strike with 4 each planes. They achieve no hits. One of each is lost.
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The retreat will be critical. The RN carriers might be in range in the morning, and Pt. Blair almost certainly will be if there is search detection enough. Force Z is coming north, but is still far to the west of Sabang. Given the ferocity of the Sabang bombing today I think a landing there is sooner than later, so I will try to hold Z in my pocket. There are still five subs betwen this IJN TF and Singers if they try the Strait, and Nagato should be moving slower than Mission speed. Tomorrow could be interesting, or a bust. It's faintly possible the Japanese will pursue toward Colombo, figuring the Kates' range is a deal-breaker. But the Albacore is almost as good, and the Vals aren't so important with armored flight decks. So . . . we shall see.

2) The air war.

--Cat & mousing, Batavia is night bombed again, but this time there is a small Cobra CAP. 3 Bettys damaged, no Allied. No AF damage. There are no industry attacks, even though I invited Mike to do some. [:)]

-- Palembang is mega-swept, but there is no CAP. It is then bombed, but it has built forts every day for several weeks. Sabang fort-building is being restrained, but Palembang has a pant-load of engineers, and more are on the way from CONUS. I want huge Forts here.

-- Pt. Blair is swept and attacked from the mainland. A few Zeros are lost, and I assume their pilots as well.

-- Prome is Oscar-swept for no real effect. An Oscar is downed. A LOT of A/V is headed for Prome and Bassein, but if Japan wants to play in the air box I'm OK with that. To all JFBs reading this: air attacks are NOT a panacea. Sometimes to attack LCUs you need . . . LCUs!

-- As above, Sabang is cratered. Sweeps (no CAP, just an AA unit shipped in last January.) About 65 heavy bombers. Some Ground attacks as well. Did I mention I think a landing is coming?

-- At Chiang Mai the two Chinese corps are hit by Nells again for light losses. I change my mind on a forced cross-river assault. The base now shows 5 LCUs all of a sudden and two under-supplied corps are not decisive. I want to maintain this force-in-being deep in the guts of Burma, so I order the LCUs to march on Uttadett (sp?) and the dot base just before it. If I can suck some tanks down here to attack these guys I'd be happy. Otherwise I'm going to find a railroad to sit on.

3) Of interest, in the mountians next to the Big Stack three LCUs have left Tsuyung and positioned themselves on the the yellow road heading toward Paoshan. I think this is an attempt to stop supplies. I hit the '5' key and it looks like supply should still flow from Mikyunma (sp?) but we shall see. I can do a couple of things here if supply becomes critical. Right now the Big Stack is 80% of green supply, so I have time. I'm not going to jump every time Japan moves. Tsuyung still shows as 24 LCUs in the hex. Plus three on the road and it's still a stalemate with time passing.

4) Operaiton SWEET POLLY continues. The carriers are away and the minesweepers launch at Cruise to let the carriers get farther ahead. The bombardment group goes tomorrow and the landing forces the day after that. Everything is loaded at Pearl. Searchers saw a five-ship something headed east fo Palmyra. Could be a FOW sub, or it could be the carrier TF previously seen. Could be the KB. Fun times. [8D]

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Well done! [&o]

I guess Formidable can still make good speed?
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Well done! [&o]

I guess Formidable can still make good speed?

Don't know yet. Can't tell from the movie. I'm guessing at least 9-10 kts.

Got to go back and finish the post now. [:)]
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May 5, 1942

Bassein Ping-Pong

1) Like Spruance at Midway I decided not to push my luck in the B. of B. Formidible has no planes, but damage is not too bad: 21, 36(30), 16(8), 0 Fires. The TF is ordered to retire almost due north, then dogleg for Madras and some fuel, then hug the coast around Ceylon home to repair. The Japanese Air TF survivors come near Pt. Blair again and use up 14 Zero and 13 Val sorties to sink an HDML. No Allied attackers launch. There is fatigue in the FAA refugees, and the Air TF has fighters still. But the Allies might fly tomorrow. I personally wouldn't have routed this TF that close to known TBs.

2) Allies night bomb Manpower at Makasar for 1005 Fires. Changsha is hit from Chungking for 1340 Fires. The Chinese base is hit hard in multiple strikes and two Allied planes are lost. All of the Chinese AA is here, so better here than some places. But the industry bombing is deforming Japan's preferred bombing patterns I'm fairly sure.

3) The Chinese coming away from Chiang Mai are Nell-bombed several times, again, with groups Japan would probably prefer to be on naval or hitting Palembang. Slight losses.

4) Bassein is bombed, then attacked. A second Guards ID has joined the stack, and it prevails this time. The Vipers are destroyed as well as the small, chewed Cav unit. The Chinese corps retreats to sit half-way to Prome.

Ground combat at Bassein (54,52)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28948 troops, 281 guns, 286 vehicles, Assault Value = 1046

Defending force 9900 troops, 40 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 370

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 563

Allied adjusted defense: 69

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bassein !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
219 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
3778 casualties reported
Squads: 142 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 142 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 24 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Units destroyed 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
6th Guards Division
5th Guards Division

Defending units:
43rd Cavalry Regiment
RM Viper Force
60th Chinese Corps

I'll need to noodle on what this does to my defenses in the next week. After that there will be enough at Prome to hold I think. What does Bassein get him right now? Not sure.

5) In SWEET POLLY the carriers bomb the AF on Palmyra and find it deserted. Not sure, but I think the garrison is gone too. Perhaps that's what all the CVEs and others were doing a month ago. After Johnson fell he might have figured to maintain the planes he put in at Palmyra and just fall back to a new line with them. I'm going to guess I'll see them on the Tarawa line. The landing forces leave Pearl for Palmyra.

6) Sabang is hit hard again and Singers shows no ships in port. Force Z is still orbiting to the west, and the Cocos replenishment TF is coming up to give what it can. This one will re-base to Colombo.

7) Chittagiong AF goes to 6. Forts will be emphasized now.
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May 6, 1942

The Peanut Moves Forward

Things underway stay that way. Little else today.

1) Night bombing at recent rates with recent outcomes. He tries Batavia again; CAP is up. Some Manpower bombing is done in daylight as well.

2) Palembang gets a little, not enough to do anything, but Sabang has been hit very hard this week. Enough to stop fort building and keep the AF at about 35% damage. Palembang has another heavy AA unit inbound from Cocos, as well as an anti-tank LCU. The 32nd Div. is aboard ships in the wormhole to CT. It is prepping for Palembang.

3) Port Blair also gets enough sweeping to keep it supressed.

4) In Burma the retreated Chinese from Bassein are hand-routed north to go east. The code wanted to send them across the river into an attack to get to Prome. The small stack moving away from Chiang Mai is mode-knocked by heavy Nell attack. Few losses, but they are slowed.

5) Various harrassment levels of bombing in China. Chungking is hit again, I think becuase it is the Hudson base for night bombing to the SE. No losses. Japan loses one and takes minor damage to Lilys.

6) The carriers hit Palmyra Ground with every DB embarked not on Search. The garrison IS there: about 4700 men and 3 AFVs. Only 5 auxiliary aircraft with detection at 4/5. The minesweepers are a day out.

Afternoon Air attack on Maizuru 2nd SNLF, at 170,133 (Palmyra)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
F2A-3 Buffalo x 4
F4F-3A Wildcat x 6
F4F-3 Wildcat x 33
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD-2 Dauntless x 11
SBD-3 Dauntless x 71

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

7) Singers AF goes to 7. I can only imagine how many engineers are scurrying about there after the Battle of the Forts.

No ground combat today.
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Good fortune in the Bay of Bengal! That could have been a real messy surface engagement. Wish we could look at both sides TF COs, I spend alot of time on COs.
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

May 6, 1942

The Peanut Moves Forward

Things underway stay that way. Little else today.

Maybe you've been spending too much time watching Underdog re-runs, you're starting to rhyme like him!! [:-]
Just when I get the hang of a game, I buy two more... :)
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

May 6, 1942

The Peanut Moves Forward

Things underway stay that way. Little else today.

Maybe you've been spending too much time watching Underdog re-runs, you're starting to rhyme like him!! [:-]

I did not notice that! Not kidding. Thanks for making my morning. [:)]
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May 7, 1942

Smoke and Mirrors

Sort of a "peanut moving" day as well, but there is deception afoot, on both sides.

1) A newly radar-equipped fleet boat moves its patrol out to mid-South China Sea and immediately falls upon a small transport TF. Of course there are no hits, but USS Tautog did shoot at the high-vlaue target. This is extreme range for even a Midway-based boat, but the traditional choke points aren't yielding. USS Triton runs across an ASW barrier patrol while entering the Sea of Japan. No losses, but he knows there's always going to be a boat in there. The current resident left the sea lanes from the north alone and patrolled over toward Fusan. As far as I could tell she wasn't detected.

2) Operation SWEET POLLY continues in order. Minesweepers clear about 125 mines in the night and cease in the day, telling me it might be clean. The carriers bomb the defenders again with 70+ DBs; looking for disruption here, not KIAs. The bombardment group is orbiting two hexes out and will come in tonight. I think I'll break the several BBs out of the Air group for a turn themselves. The landing force is in easy range for the day after. Three LCUs show in full detection now. One is a Naval Guard, and one is a bigger base force. The DMSes get no CD fire.

Kwajalein shows two intel hits of radio traffic, one heavy. It's very possible that the USN carriers hanging around for four days is the reason. I can pull them back, but then the landing force gets chewed on a la Johnson Island. I doubt he knows the carriers are over-loaded on fighters, but not to an excessive degree.

3) Night bombing continues, me and him. Standard amounts of Fires. He loses a Sally at Batavia for no losses to the Allies. Day bombing hits Palembang pretty hard, Sabang gets a break, Chungking is pasted since the night bombing Wellingtons live there. Time to start the old pea-under-the-cup act with the bombers. Chungking has all the Chinese AA there is, so he gets bloodied when he visits.

Pt. Blair is also swept and bombed. I'm sure that seeing TBs there several days ago is no fun. Rangoon is a problem for shipping. But Pt. Blair is one of the mirrors. Almost no British TBs at all, scraps of refugee FAA fighters. Many of my Brit TBs withdraw in the next week plus. But it's a thorn, so it's doing its job.

4) Bataan gets heavily bombed, the AF again. Supply in LCU internals is not damaged by this so it's harmless. Fixing it costs no supply either. For some smoke (no mirrors) I order a full-scale bombardment at Bataan just to show there is supply in the place and to get an intel read. I'm not going deep into the archives, but it seems to me some of the infantry might have exited stage right here.

Ground combat at Bataan (78,77)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 34311 troops, 633 guns, 190 vehicles, Assault Value = 1475

Defending force 48631 troops, 472 guns, 524 vehicles, Assault Value = 1543

Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
192nd Tank Battalion
51st PA Infantry Division
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
31st Infantry Regiment
14th PS Engineer Regiment
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
3rd/12th PA Inf Battalion
45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
31st PA Infantry Division
4th Marine Regiment
21st PA Infantry Division
41st PA Infantry Division
Manila Bay Defenses
11th PA Infantry Division
71st PA Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
91st PA Infantry Division
2nd PA Constabulary Division
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
USAFFE
Asiatic Fleet
Provisional GMC Grp
II Philippine Corps
Cavite USN Base Force
Clark Field USAAF Base Force
803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion
Far East USAAF
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
Bataan USN Base Force
Manila USAAF Base Force
86th PS Coastal Artillery Battalion
I Philippine Corps
301st PA Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
38th Division
16th Recon Regiment
80th Infantry Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
21st Ind. Engineer Regiment
48th Division
20th Infantry Regiment
3rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
16th Engineer Regiment
7th Tank Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Army
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
36th Const Co

5) The Wandering Corps south of Chiang Mai attract a lot of Nells again, which I'm also fine with. They are usually untouched or barely mussed in that terrain, and it's a lot of prime bombers wasting leaves and vines. They continue south along the railbed, with no real mission but harrassment and deflection. If they die they end up at Chungking and anything they kill is at a big VP ratio advantage to them, so on they wander. Longer term if they survive they may turn for the coast and cut some railroads. For now he's worrying about them more than I am.

6) Despite the placement of three red boxes on the road to the west of the Big Stack, blocking its route to Paoshan, the Bigs resupply all the way to white once more. I thnk from Tracker flows the goodies are coming from Chungking. The dots juuuuust reach, and Chungking isn't banking supply anymore. Tsuyung still shows on any given day 24-30 LCUs in residence. Tick tock.

7) Babo is hit for one Oil point.

8) Significant building milestones today:

---Johnson I. Forts 3; time to withdraw the Marines so they can make a division soon.

---Port Moresby AF to 4

---Lanchow (Chinese fuel base) Forts to 5

---Batavia AF to 6
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