Sands of Iwo Jima

boomboom · Post by **boomboom** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:46 am

Ted Williams,2wars.Singbert how did you miss this?

boomboom · Post by **boomboom** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:51 am

Ever notice how easy it is to kill bad guys?They sleep on guard duty,smoke at night,easy to sneek up on them.

mdiehl · Post by **mdiehl** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:00 am

Thanks Mogami! Kirk Douglas it was. I had a short circuit placing the correct name with the face.

Snigbert · Post by **Snigbert** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:31 am

4F is 4F. It's not really negotiable unless you're already in the military, even if you seem plenty active. My point here is that allegations of cowardice are as inappropriate for John Wayne as, for example, for a veteran who is discharged for incurable combat fatigue after some heinous experience.

If it sounded like I was accusing him of personal cowardice, it was unintentional and I apologize. I was merely trying to point out that I didnt feel he had made a real military contribution. John Wayne may have been a hundred times braver than I myself am and I have no way of knowing one way or the other. I was simply making an observation that he didnt strike me as the type of person who would be a 4F, a designation which is truly out of his control.

Here you go, from the John Wayne web page: When war broke out, John Wayne tried to enlist but was rejected because of an old football injury to his shoulder, his age (34), and his status as a married father of four.

It turns out he didnt have the lung surgery until 1979 when he was battling cancer. Now, he completed his football career without missing a game and that injury didnt seem to slow him down in his movies. He would be the only guy in the US to be labelled 4F because he was 34, or because he had children. But he still represented 'The American Fighting Man' to people around the world, for better or worse. Hirohito even requested to meet John Wayne when he travelled to the US. Perhaps to thank him personally for all of the American troops who got themselves killed imitating 'The Duke' when they were on the battlefield.

I dont have a list of the medals he received, but he actually had his own medal created by the US which you can read about here:
http://groups.msn.com/ATributeToJohnWay ... medal.msnw

Mike Scholl · Post by **Mike Scholl** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:44 am

Anybody want to check in with some nominations for Good
WW II Movies? Well Acted, Directed, and Researched? I'll start
by nominating "Das Boot" for gritty realism and lack of flaws.

Most other good ones seem to have at least one glaring error somewhere in them, but I haven't found it in "Boot"..., yet.

Admiral DadMan · Post by **Admiral DadMan** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:15 am

Originally posted by Ron Saueracker
Didn't John Wayne winge out of military service? I'm sure he BSed a medical condition. Kinda hard to play war heroes when you are basically a yellow belly.

Gonna get ripped for this one.

Lee Marvin, James Cobourn, Charles Bronson, Telly Savalas, Clint Eastwood, Bogie, James Mason...these are great war flick actors.

Kelly's Heroes and Cross of Iron are two of my favs.

Somebody done been watchin' Dirty Dozen and Battle of the Bulge...

Snigbert · Post by **Snigbert** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:26 am

I prefer the porno adaption of Das Boot, which was called 'Das Booty'

Attack Condor · Post by **Attack Condor** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:53 am

Probably my all time fav propaganda film would have to be Sahara with Bogart as the lovable lout American tank commander showing not only the evil double crossing Germans (boooooooooooooo... hisssssssssssssss) the concept of good ol' American ingenuity, but even his ride along passengers, the British and French

. A bit out of place for a post in WitP, but seemed okay for Sands...desert...well.....um......heck, you know what I mean

.

Mike Scholl · Post by **Mike Scholl** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 5:56 am

Originally posted by Snigbert
I prefer the porno adaption of Das Boot, which was called 'Das Booty'

I can't speak with any authority on "Das Booty", so I wouldn't
want to comment on it's historical accuracy except to say that if
the subject matter is what it sounds like, I'm sure it would have
been a hit with the troops.

Does it's appearance on your list of "best movies" indicate
that your social life is primarily "single-handed"?

Ron Saueracker · Post by **Ron Saueracker** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:39 am

Cross of Iron is one of my favourites...James Cobourne as Sgt Steiner was awesome.

James Mason in Desert Fox.

All the dudes in Kelly's Heroes.

Hey, don't forget Bogie was Coast Guard and Ernest Borgnine was USN

Hey wasn't John Wayne also a bonesmoker?:D

Snigbert · Post by **Snigbert** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:06 am

Does it's appearance on your list of "best movies" indicate

I've had a long term relationship with Mary Palmer and her five sisters.

Mike Scholl · Post by **Mike Scholl** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:32 am

Originally posted by Snigbert
Does it's appearance on your list of "best movies" indicate

I've had a long term relationship with Mary Palmer and her five sisters.

...Someone with an actual sense of humor. There may be hope for these forums yet. So I'll plead guilty to a passing aquaintance
with the group in question. Though I knew them as "Rosie Palm
& her Five Sisters"

mogami · Post by **mogami** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 8:53 am

Hi, You two are "whacky"

Snigbert · Post by **Snigbert** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:58 am

I'm wearing my pajamas with feet right now...

YZ426f · Post by **YZ426f** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:17 pm

Good war flicks? I prefer When Trumpets Fade.

I know. Some of the acting was a little suspect but overall it was a gritty movie about a horrible battle.

I had a chance to sit and talk for quite a while one time with a vet that fought in that battle and others from the 9th inf.

Does anybody remember an old B/W movie from the German perspective where the soldier fell in love with a Jewish girl and hid her from the authorities? I can't remember much of the movie but it ended with him letting a suspected partisan go who in turn shot and killed him. He fell and the movie ended. I want to say there was a rose near him when he did fall.

A funny story,sort of; When I was a kid Midway came out and my mother took me my older brother, and some of his friends to the movies. Well it was near my birthday so I got to choose what we ALL saw and I chose 'Return To Treasure Island'. My brother was so mad and every time they went to the bathroom it was literally shaking from the sounds of warfare in the next theater.

Boy did he knock the snot out of me when we got home. I think I still have the lump to prove it

Mike Scholl · Post by **Mike Scholl** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:45 pm

What? Dragging a thread back to the SUBJECT! And just
when I was going to ask Mogami if he kept gerbels for Pets?

Good for you. Did you ever see another German film called
"The Bridge"? About a group of Hitler Youth sent to guard a
pretty worthless stream crossing near the end of the war?

Has your brother ever appologised---or hasn't he seen "MIDWAY" yet? Talk about a bad WW II movie. On the
other hand, it's predecessor "TORA, TORA, TORA" actually gets
pretty high marks for realism.

Chijohnaok2 · Post by **Chijohnaok2** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 9:55 pm

I prefer the porno adaption of Das Boot, which was called 'Das Booty'

Snigbert,

I haven't seen that movie (Das Booty) so I don't know how the 'plot' goes. However, the fact that Das Boot was the story of a bunch of guys confined in close quarters at sea for months at a time.....well, I don't want to go on--the idea is giving me the willies.

John

YZ426f · Post by **YZ426f** » Sat Feb 22, 2003 10:59 pm

Has your brother ever appologised

Brother....apologize.....

Those words can't be formed into a sentence as far as I know. I did get him back by being mom's favorite though.

Yamadog

Mike Scholl · Post by **Mike Scholl** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 1:24 am

Originally posted by YZ426f
Brother....apologize.....

Those words can't be formed into a sentence as far as I know. I did get him back by being mom's favorite though.

Yamadog

...BUT AT LEAST YOU COULD HIT HIM. Try it with TWO younger
sisters working together to make your life a misery---and BOTH of
them "Daddy's little Darling". Beleive me when I say, "It could
have been worse."

Zakhal · Post by **Zakhal** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:52 am

Free streaming ww2 docs and films. Movieflix - ww2 Pretty interesting stuff. (i.e) One of them about tarawa invasion tells that japs moved vickers guns from singapore fortress to tarawa but luckily they were ko by the bombardment. Lots of small detail and plenty combat action.

Sands of Iwo Jima

Iron Duke you forgot one

Annother thing about war movies

AS LONG AS WE'RE AT IT...

Re: Duke

Bogie in the desert......

NOT QUITE WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR

CROSS OF IRON

WHAT DO YOU KNOW...

OH My

To: YZ426f

POINT TAKEN...