Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov)

[KamilS]

T3 centre (Soviet)


Just trying to avoid encirclement until reinforcements arrive.

[KamilS]

T3 south (Soviet)


I fear crazy withdrawal is my only option now.

[KamilS]

T4 north (German)


Contrary to other areas situation here is under control.

[KamilS]

T4 centre (German)

Bryansk has fallen so my position is badly outflanked.

[KamilS]

T4 south (German)

For some obscure reasons I received reinforced behind enemy lines (yellow arrows).

[KamilS]

T4 north (Soviet)


Lines look ok here

[KamilS]

T4 centre (Soviet)


Terrible. Turn 4th and my defensive lines are already by Kaluga.

[KamilS]

T4 south (Soviet)


My industry in extremely vulnerable now.

[Peltonx]

You should be using a checker board in south and not lines. Line are so easy to pocket in south.

You could take the troops you have in south and do a 3 deep checker board.Sure he pocket a few but nothing uber. Lines are a sitting duck from Oka south.



That's MT's check board in south.

You cant just run, you have to check board south.

Stay 4 hexes off the closed axis hex then units every 4th hex. Every other hex and close lines as you get more units.

Turn 4 he is way way past fuel supplies. Unless hes got another exploit hes out of fuel for a while.

HOLD Moscow and simply keep with drawing in south.

You can lose 80 armament points and it will not hurt you from October 42-45.

[hugh04]

What a massive run by the reds. I wonder how turns 10-14 will like.

vandev

[KamilS]

Pelton

That's MT's check board in south.

You cant just run, you have to check board south.

Stay 4 hexes off the closed axis hex then units every 4th hex. Every other hex and close lines as you get more units.

Turn 4 he is way way past fuel supplies. Unless hes got another exploit hes out of fuel for a while.

HOLD Moscow and simply keep with drawing in south.

You can lose 80 armament points and it will not hurt you from October 42-45.

Count his units and count my and you will know why I run away.

Lack of depth supplemented by highly mobile German motorised divisions make any stand in the south impossible.

I pay the price for turn 1 disaster.

[Flaviusx]

Pelton, Kamil flat out doesn't have the units to pull off that kind of in depth checkerboard at present. He's not going to be able to stabilize until he gets more units. That's going to take another 2-3 turns, minimum.

All 4 border Fronts getting wiped out initially puts the Red Army in a deep, deep hole. A deeply silly hole.

Why do people even want to play this kind of game, anymore? It bears no resemblance to reality. Just say no, imo.

[Balou]

"This type of game":

1) As in the present AAR ?
or
2) WitE as it is today ?

[juret]

subscriped

[Saper2229]

Russian can fight after T1, not flee to Moscow. I lost many divisions in the pockets (one - more than 320 divisions to 12/1/41), but destroy Germany forces in blizzard always and win all games in 1942.

[Flaviusx]

ORIGINAL: Balou

"This type of game":

1) As in the present AAR ?
or
2) WitE as it is today ?

Not the present AAR. I'm talking about the entire 1941 dynamic. It's boring and ahistorical.

The entire PBEM flow in 1941 has become hackneyed at this point, it's just north Africa writ large, it doesn't resemble the eastern front at all. It's become entirely about how much you can leverage the suprise turn, and then how well the Soviet can evade the effects of that until mud. There's no hard fighting in the middle. The south in particular never develops as it should.

[Ketza]

My current game against Bigbaba is seeing a great fight in the south. I did a big thrust towards Proskurov(sp) but instead of diving south for the huge pocket I surprised him and headed towards Kiev and Overran it on turn 2. I figured he would run at this point but he has stood toe to toe with me. Its the end of turn 7 and I am finally over the damn river in 3 places. Its been a real hoot fighting like this but my concern is its turn 7 and there are only 1.5 million Soviet casualties because I did not pocket the whole lot.

We will see.

[76mm]

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx
Not the present AAR. I'm talking about the entire 1941 dynamic. It's boring and ahistorical.

The entire PBEM flow in 1941 has become hackneyed at this point, it's just north Africa writ large, it doesn't resemble the eastern front at all. It's become entirely about how much you can leverage the suprise turn, and then how well the Soviet can evade the effects of that until mud. There's no hard fighting in the middle. The south in particular never develops as it should.

That's why I abandoned this game long ago (along with the constant and ongoing discovery of game-changing bugs, tweaks, "design-features", whatever).

I still read this forum for kicks but honestly I have little hope that they'll get it right in WitE 2.0 either, not for lack of trying but because the opening campaign and then the swing in fortunes in 1942 seems to be incredibly difficult to model properly, since they hinged on various massive blunders by both sides that cannot be expected to be seen in a game.

[KamilS]

T5 north (German)


Germans crossed river in the place that suits me most.

[KamilS]

T5 centre (German)

Unfortunately enemy is almost at Moscow and Tula gates, so I will have to stand and fight soon, and I do not have means to do it.

Very bad.